2G Best FP Turbo For Like 400 - 500WHP ?

[bo0st2]

Assuming you are on a 2G GST (will have traction issues) which FP turbo would you buy if you are looking to make between 400 - 500WHP? (on pump gas)

Would you go with a Red, Green, 68HTA V3 or something else? No budget restrictions in mind for this.

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[1990TSIAWDTALON]

FP 3982 Review:

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[92AWDHX40]

My cast erl t3 setup with a custom exhaust pipe. Definitely looking for 500 hp. It's a street car. This thing will support my needs.

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[TJCTalon]

I'm currently running a FP HTA 71 w/td06sl2 turbine. Very fun little turbo. It's flowing 51/lbs min at 30psi on e85.

Trapped 117mph. I apparently can't drive, so the ET sucked.

I will probably see what I can do with this turbo after I auto swap this winter. I have a hx35 bep and a hy35 to go on if I want to push it a little more. I'd like to hit 11.5 with the hta 71 first.

 

[jed344]

He isn’t making 400-500 with a 16g.


No they are not. The only thing truly bolt on about a turbo like this is it will bolt to your TD05 manifold. Nothing else simply bolts up. Plenty of stuff will have to change.

I don’t know why after 30 years everyone in this community still limits themselves to a shitty, small turbine housing and goofy O2 housing footprint. Literally no other community handicaps themselves like the DSM guys do when it comes to turbos.

Large wheels, small housings. What could go wrong?

100%. To me unless you are purposely trying to race a class that limits you to factory style there is not a reason to stay with it after say 350hp. The OP said on pump fuel too so i take that as 91/93 octane. That just is not going to happen in a bolt on housing turbo very well at all.

 

[bo0st2]

100%. To me unless you are purposely trying to race a class that limits you to factory style there is not a reason to stay with it after say 350hp. The OP said on pump fuel too so i take that as 91/93 octane. That just is not going to happen in a bolt on housing turbo very well at all.

FP Black won't be capable of hitting it?

I emailed them and they said they've seen a few 500+ whp on 91-93 pump but most are making like 450-500 so if I got that and say the tune wasn't the greatest I'd think I'd still be able to scrape together like 420 or something

 

[pottersgst]

Absolutely will hit your goal 71lb turbo can get you into the 400 hp with a good build, correct supporting mods and a good tuner. But you shouldn't strap this to a stock motor, turn it up, and be suprised if the motor gives up.

 

[CrackedDSM]

The black is gonna be sooooo laggy if you’re just shooting for 400 though. I went with a green simply because I wanted one and I don’t plan on making more than 400awhp. It spools quick, pulls nicely, and makes awesome loud turbo noises.

It was also bolt on. Lines, manifold, Down pipe, o2 housing, everything bolt up like stock. LICP worked too.

 

[jdxnc]

FP Red, hands down the most fun street turbo I had, I ran one for 3-4 years, spools 2-300rpm faster than the black and is capable of 10's in the 1/4 mile on pump gas.

 

[CrackedDSM]

FP Red, hands down the most fun street turbo I had, I ran one for 3-4 years, spools 2-300rpm faster than the black and is capable of 10's in the 1/4 mile on pump gas.

Got me convinced if one day I decide 380-400whp isn't enough.

 

[biglady112]

FP Black won't be capable of hitting it?

I emailed them and they said they've seen a few 500+ whp on 91-93 pump but most are making like 450-500 so if I got that and say the tune wasn't the greatest I'd think I'd still be able to scrape together like 420 or something

If you are trying to make that kind of power on pump gas, especially on a stock engine, you are playing with fire.

I strongly urge you and anyone to move to a quality fuel over 400hp. Pump gas is literally an engine killer.

 

[SixBolt_16G]

The black is gonna be sooooo laggy if you’re just shooting for 400 though. I went with a green simply because I wanted one and I don’t plan on making more than 400awhp. It spools quick, pulls nicely, and makes awesome loud turbo noises.

It was also bolt on. Lines, manifold, Down pipe, o2 housing, everything bolt up like stock. LICP worked too.

FP Red, hands down the most fun street turbo I had, I ran one for 3-4 years, spools 2-300rpm faster than the black and is capable of 10's in the 1/4 mile on pump gas.

Wouldnt he want a later spool since he's front wheel drive or does the Green, Red and Black all spool late enough since they are bigger turbos?

Asking for my future self

 

[jdxnc]

Wouldnt he want a later spool since he's front wheel drive or does the Green, Red and Black all spool late enough since they are bigger turbos?

Asking for my future self

It's just about in the right spot for a nice powerband, brings back old memories. Starts hitting right around 4k

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[jdxnc]

If you are trying to make that kind of power on pump gas, especially on a stock engine, you are playing with fire.

I strongly urge you and anyone to move to a quality fuel over 400hp. Pump gas is literally an engine killer.

Nothing a little methanol injection can't solve

 

[biglady112]

Nothing a little methanol injection can't solve

That wasn’t mentioned. My frame of reference was for straight cat piss from the pump.

I run hotpipes on all of my cars. I cool them down with either water or windshield washer fluid depending on the applications. For the cars that sit outside(I live in Colorado), they get washer fluid.

I run methanol as my primary fuel with direct port water injection in my race car.

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[CrackedDSM]

Not all of us are blessed with E85 in our area, and I'm absolutely not going to run this thing solely on race gas. The most it'll get is an occasional can of VP Octanium.


So yeah. Keep that in mind when crucifying those who are limited to pump gas.

Wouldnt he want a later spool since he's front wheel drive or does the Green, Red and Black all spool late enough since they are bigger turbos?

Asking for my future self

My green spools pretty quick, but doesn't have that "you've got....BOOOOOST B*TCH!!" torque hit that TD05H turbos have. I think if you really started leaning on the boost you might have some traction issues. I'd shy away from a green on all but the most well setup FWD setups tbh. I have zero experience with the red, a black on a FWD would be great if you never used a two-step or etc but ugh. It would be laggy and generally unenjoyable.


@jdxnc has definitely got me convinced to jump to a Red when/if the time comes though.

 

[biglady112]

Not all of us are blessed with E85 in our area, and I'm absolutely not going to run this thing solely on race gas. The most it'll get is an occasional can of VP Octanium.


So yeah. Keep that in mind when crucifying those who are limited to pump gas.





My green spools pretty quick, but doesn't have that "you've got....BOOOOOST B*TCH!!" torque hit that TD05H turbos have. I think if you really started leaning on the boost you might have some traction issues. I'd shy away from a green on all but the most well setup FWD setups tbh. I have zero experience with the red, a black on a FWD would be great if you never used a two-step or etc but ugh. It would be laggy and generally unenjoyable.


@jdxnc has definitely got me convinced to jump to a Red when/if the time comes though.

That sounds like a you problem. You absolutely are not limited to pump gas. Quality fuels are available and can be bought in bulk. If you choose not to partake and store them, that isn’t my fault.

As well as injection systems.

Still blows my mind that so many think the colored turbos are gods gift and are some kind of magic turbo. Like I said, if you think trying to do anything serious on pump gas with a small displacement engine is a good idea, then anyone with that thought deserves the troubles ahead of them.

 

[jdxnc]

That sounds like a you problem. You absolutely are not limited to pump gas. Quality fuels are available and can be bought in bulk. If you choose not to partake and store them, that isn’t my fault.

As well as injection systems.

Still blows my mind that so many think the colored turbos are gods gift and are some kind of magic turbo. Like I said, if you think trying to do anything serious on pump gas with a small displacement engine is a good idea, then anyone with that thought deserves the troubles ahead of them.

I stuck with meth injection for the longest time because of lack of availability up here. A 5 gallon pail of E85 is $120 + tax here, E98 is $140+ tax. C/X16 and other similar blends around the same, extremely cost prohibitive. There is nothing other than 87, 91 and some 94 on the pump in the whole country.

 

[biglady112]

I stuck with meth injection for the longest time because of lack of availability up here. A 5 gallon pail of E85 is $120 + tax here, E98 is $140+ tax. C/X16 and other similar blends around the same, extremely cost prohibitive. The is nothing other than 87,91 and some 94 on the pump in the whole country.

There are pickup trucks, barrels and gas cans. It sounds like the limit is imagination for most.

While pump e85 is also dog shit, it certainly isn’t unobtainable nor is it $24/gal.

While E85 is fairly accessible in Colorado, we only get 91 here. So I tell everyone to pick a fuel. And if they choose wrong, I limit them. I am not risking my reputation on pump gas.

 

[jdxnc]

There are pickup trucks, barrels and gas cans. It sounds like the limit is imagination for most.

In the US I'd say its within reasonable distance for many but not all, for me the nearest pump location for is 4h away in Massachusetts, with an international border in between. New England is an ethanol dead zone (none in VT, NH, ME and upstate NY). We can only get it in Canada direct through VP.

But agreed, if its your reputation on the line, nah.

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

Just for a poke in the ribs, E85 is $1.94/gallon here. (but it's a 20 minute drive, dam).

 

[92AWDHX40]

E 85 close to 3 dollars a gallon here

 

[jdxnc]

Just for a poke in the ribs, E85 is $1.94/gallon here. (but it's a 20 minute drive, dam).

It would seem we got real maple syrup in exchange for corn gas, I'm not sure how I feel about this

 

[bo0st2]

If you are trying to make that kind of power on pump gas, especially on a stock engine, you are playing with fire.

I strongly urge you and anyone to move to a quality fuel over 400hp. Pump gas is literally an engine killer.

I heard stock internals are good for 400whp

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Stock internals on 4g63 how far can you go?

Anyways i have been reading the tech guide a lot lately as i wanna reach my goal of over 400awhp. But this car is my daily/track car. Just wondering how much hp can these stock internals actually handle. The tech guide said you can get a reliable 400hp on the stock internals. Obviously i will...

www.dsmtuners.com

If I end up making 401 or 419 on a decent tune that would probably be fine I'm thinking. If something breaks we can repair it.

Not all of us are blessed with E85 in our area, and I'm absolutely not going to run this thing solely on race gas. The most it'll get is an occasional can of VP Octanium.


So yeah. Keep that in mind when crucifying those who are limited to pump gas.





My green spools pretty quick, but doesn't have that "you've got....BOOOOOST B*TCH!!" torque hit that TD05H turbos have. I think if you really started leaning on the boost you might have some traction issues. I'd shy away from a green on all but the most well setup FWD setups tbh. I have zero experience with the red, a black on a FWD would be great if you never used a two-step or etc but ugh. It would be laggy and generally unenjoyable.


@jdxnc has definitely got me convinced to jump to a Red when/if the time comes though.

Well said, I barely got E85 around me so I'm sticking with pump gas.

 

[jed344]

I personally do not like FP blacks. The spool you see from them you can get the same spool from a good twin scroll set up and make MUCH more power even on pump fuel not to mention e85. That turbo exists to me for again someone who wants to try to race a class that limits you to stock flange. I thought originally cost was not a factor so that's why i recommended what i did. Myself and a few other car's here have done well above 400whp on stock bottom ends. The last one about 5 years ago was 449whp with a bolt on hx35 set up. This was done on e85 though. I personally really do not want to push a stock block on pump fuel especially with a bolt on housing turbo. We are lucky here as our pump e85 is VERY strong. The lowest i see few min from my house is 85% and we see as high as 92% threw the summer. So i know that is not the normal for most. Water methanol is a good option if good quality fuel is not a option. I also usually shoot on the low side power wise as we use a mustang no correction most the time. Better to under promise and over deliver.

 

[GST with PSI]

You said money wasn't an object?

XR61-57S in a V-band or T3 housing (I'd recommend the .63A/R Turbine housing).

For a pretty penny you'll get a sweet ball bearing turbo with all the fancy turbine aero that'll make 400hp easy. It will spool fast, but not too fast, and leave you with room to grow your setup.

Pair that with a quality manifold (one from Morrison is a good recommendation as others have said) and you'll avoid the issues that typically come with trying to make power on shitty fuel with a restrictive turbo like the 68HTA. The 68 HTA is a great turbo, but I wouldn't recommend it on a pump gas car. I'd shy away from the stock DSM frame turbos in general on pump gas...You can make power, but it's a hassle and not really worth the effort IMO.