2G Best FP Turbo For Like 400 - 500WHP ?

[bo0st2]

Assuming you are on a 2G GST (will have traction issues) which FP turbo would you buy if you are looking to make between 400 - 500WHP? (on pump gas)

Would you go with a Red, Green, 68HTA V3 or something else? No budget restrictions in mind for this.

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[92AWDHX40]

https://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/the-best-turbo-to-run-on-a-500hp-build.453796/

ARe you stuck on fp other options would suit you like a hy35 with a cast manifold easy and cheap enough. Holsets are reliable and cheap to rebuild, with room grow. Your tune and build are also going to play the biggest part. Check out the thread I posted before.

 

[bo0st2]

https://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/the-best-turbo-to-run-on-a-500hp-build.453796/

ARe you stuck on fp other options would suit you like a hy35 with a cast manifold easy and cheap enough. Holsets are reliable and cheap to rebuild, with room grow. Your tune and build are also going to play the biggest part. Check out the thread I posted before.

I'm open to other ideas like a hy35, where do I buy one of those that's 'legit' beside a reputable member from here?

 

[92AWDHX40]

freelancer justin whitesell he builds all my turbos, and current hx40 soon to be upgraded to billet xona trubine. I wouldnt go anywhere else lucky to find a hy35 he can if anyone could he can.

 

[ist dwa]

Hta68, all day every day.

 

[chrisman287]

You might want something on the lazy side to help with the traction issue. Spinning is wack.

My T04S is lazy but I hook well on 245 DWS06s and it still moves 50lb/min (at 30psi). Think I’m going to rebuild a HX40 that I have with a .63 T3 hotside and see how that does

 

[bo0st2]

freelancer justin whitesell he builds all my turbos, and current hx40 soon to be upgraded to billet xona trubine. I wouldnt go anywhere else lucky to find a hy35 he can if anyone could he can.

oh yeah Justin is the man when it comes to turbos!

Hta68, all day every day.

Thanks! At what point does that thing make like full power is it around like 4k - 5K?

You might want something on the lazy side to help with the traction issue. Spinning is wack.

My T04S is lazy but I hook well on 245 DWS06s and it still moves 50lb/min (at 30psi). Think I’m going to rebuild a HX40 that I have with a .63 T3 hotside and see how that does

Yeah I agree that's what I'm saying, where did you get your turbo from?

 

[chrisman287]

Yeah I agree that's what I'm saying, where did you get your turbo from?

It’ll be for sale as soon as I get the Holset on but it’s a .63 T3 also. Don’t think that’ll work for you

 

[ist dwa]

oh yeah Justin is the man when it comes to turbos!



Thanks! At what point does that thing make like full power is it around like 4k - 5K?



Yeah I agree that's what I'm saying, where did you get your turbo from?

Yeah, 4500rpm ish. I recommend a Kelford 272 of GSC2 cam setup as well to get full potential, it will hold boost to 8k.

 

[pottersgst]

Second vote on the 68hta have a brand new ver 3 strapped to a stock motor and trans and still spools extremely fast and pulls hard throughout the entire gear. Only at 24lbs on it until tuned but even on a base tune and supporting fuel mods, this is a fantastic turbo.

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[92AWDHX40]

Nice the version one is nicer too, if you can find one.

 

[TerminalTalon]

3rd for 68HTA. I’ve had it on the car before daily driving it and it’ll stay on until it needs a rebuild.

 

[jed344]

Making the power on Pump gas will be difficult to near impossible on the 68HTA. The tight exhaust housing will make it difficult. I would 100% be looking at T3 options. HY35, HX35, HX40 ect or others. We have always hit a limit around 400 on pump with bolt on housing turbos. E85 is a different story. You need very free flowing set ups to get 500 on pump gas.

 

[bo0st2]

Making the power on Pump gas will be difficult to near impossible on the 68HTA. The tight exhaust housing will make it difficult. I would 100% be looking at T3 options. HY35, HX35, HX40 ect or others. We have always hit a limit around 400 on pump with bolt on housing turbos. E85 is a different story. You need very free flowing set ups to get 500 on pump gas.

Thanks for this reply I appreciate your knowledge my friend.

If you were buying a T3 manifold & all that which one would you go with do you have any links or recommended vendors?

 

[jed344]

Myself and others all have had Morrison Fab build our manifolds and hot part kits. The build quality is perfect and fitment is always on point too. I think they still offers free shipping to DSMTuners members and they're a vendor here.

 

[bo0st2]

Myself and others all have had Morrison Fab build our manifolds and hot part kits. The build quality is perfect and fitment is always on point too.

Thanks for all the info! The build quality looks fantastic but the prices are a little high, wouldn't it make more sense to get like a bigger Forced Performance turbo since those are bolt on?

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

With the right manifold, like with the many option (DSM, T3, T4) setups offered by our supporting vendor, like @MorrisonFab offers, YOU have alot of different turbo options, not just a DSM flange turbo.
Something to consider in your build at least.

 

[chrisman287]

Thanks for all the info! The build quality looks fantastic but the prices are a little high, wouldn't it make more sense to get like a bigger Forced Performance turbo since those are bolt on?

You don’t need a Morrison Fab manifold to reach your power goals. They are nice tho

I’m using a kind of generic one. It gets the job done.

 

[pottersgst]

Goals vs Price

Depends where you want your chunk of money at. FP turbo I retain the DSM flange along with stock O2 flange so exhaust doesn't need to change for downpipe. All starts to add up. Want a big turbo that will surpass 400, you need more custom parts, stock style turbos are there for that reason.

I had a budget and went FP to retain parts I already use, and allows money to be put elsewhere, fuel being big expense when you replace what you should for 400hp. Like minimum 255 pump injectors AFPR, new filter and lines. If money is no object, options are limitless. If your broke, as many of us are, or just not ready to drop 5 grand here and 5 grand there, you have to get creative with goals.

Turbo should be first thought so you know how your building, but don't lose sight of what else each comes with. You can easily drop 3k just on turbo manifold O2 and downpipe, but still need more to make the car even get to use it all. That's not including throwing all that boost in a unstudded block

 

[Stapl3]

If you were buying a T3 manifold & all that which one would you go with do you have any links or recommended vendors?

Cast is king. You can get a cast T3 manifold for just over 100 bucks. Thick flanges, excellent flow, WG flange built in, you could drop it off a building and it wouldn't break. Aside of making the downpipe work, a door has now been opened to hundreds of turbo options that bolt right up. It's a win in every column IMO.

If someone came out with that manifold and a few O2 housing / downpipe options years ago, we as a community would have glossed over stock frame stuff. That would be left to the guys in strict places that need visual inspections to be road legal.

 

[jed344]

The problem with bolt on turbo's is the exhaust housing. The MHI flange really limits things. They choke up quickly and when power must be made on pump fuel that really becomes a issue. I understand the cost's do jump fast vs just buying a bolt on housing turbo.

We have never had great luck making what you want to with a bolt on housing. Example granted this was on e85. We have a car that was T3 open with a HY35. Worked great saw 30 psi by 4,700rpm and made your power on pump and even more on corn. The owner wanted to make 700 and spool the absolute fastest he could. Cost was no issue.

We had him go Morrison Fab T4 divided and use a 6062 T4 .84 divided housing. Spool's the exact same 30psi by 4,700 and yet can do over 700 now. Have to decide cost vs goal's when choosing. I just don't want you to spend money and then be unhappy it cannot do what you want.

 

[pottersgst]

100% agree on cast, tubular are awesome but you get what you pay for. The good ones are expensive for a reason. Meanwhile cast are reliable, cheap, and you can easily reach 400-500 hp. A dope manifold won't be your reason for not achieving your goals, turbo and fuel are the biggest factors.

 

[jed344]

100% agree on cast, tubular are awesome but you get what you pay for. The good ones are expensive for a reason. Meanwhile cast are reliable, cheap, and you can easily reach 400-500 hp. A dope manifold won't be your reason for not achieving your goals, turbo and fuel are the biggest factors.

i agree 100%. The cheap cast work and last. The cheap tubular manifolds do not. We over the last 15 years had so many break over and over. The good ones cost a lot but they last. You pick up a cheap ebay tubular manifold and then pick up a quality one. They good ones weigh 3x. There is a reason for that.

 

[chrisman287]

Asking for OP (and myself); Do cast manifolds give good clearance for bigger compressor housings?

Here’s a picture of my generic tubular manifold for reference. My flange is clocked at an angle that allowed me to fit this larger housing without issue

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[biglady112]

Hta68, all day every day.

He isn’t making 400-500 with a 16g.

Thanks for all the info! The build quality looks fantastic but the prices are a little high, wouldn't it make more sense to get like a bigger Forced Performance turbo since those are bolt on?

No they are not. The only thing truly bolt on about a turbo like this is it will bolt to your TD05 manifold. Nothing else simply bolts up. Plenty of stuff will have to change.

I don’t know why after 30 years everyone in this community still limits themselves to a shitty, small turbine housing and goofy O2 housing footprint. Literally no other community handicaps themselves like the DSM guys do when it comes to turbos.

Large wheels, small housings. What could go wrong?