50 Trim Or EVO III Big 16g

[DSMinn0vati0ns]

Hey everyone.. Im ready to upgrade my stock t25 for a turbo that will put me into the 350-400hp range.. i was thinking about a 50 trim or the EVO III 16g but what one would be better for everyday car and sometimes for the track?

Also i was curious what 50 trim would be a direct bolt on to my 2g mani and o2 pipe..

will the EVO III fit the stock o2 pipe?

Decisions Decisions!

 

[TurboChrged93]

Evo III will fit the stock o2 housing. However you will need a 2g install kit. Which is kind of pricey. If your looking for a mild upgrade, direct bolt on, no headaches, and want some nice gains ... you might want to consider the t28. It's not a bad turbo, going to take some work to get you up to the 400 whp range with the t28 however. Be warned, internally gated Evo III's like to boost creep with good flowing exhausts even when you port the wastegate passage and install a bigger flapper.

I personally had the evo III on my 1st dsm "creation" and I loved it. Stock appearing for a 1g, killer spool sound, impressive numbers and power it put down. Definitely a huge gain.

 

[Justins99GSX]

im in the same boat as you....looking to upgrade turbo and want about the same horsepower the only difference is that i am AWD... have you done your research??? ( reading the forums)... from what i have been reading is that the 50 trim is awesome on pump gas and the horsepower you are seeking is possible on pump gas with the 50 trim..where as, from what i've read on here, the E316G can only get you that horsepower on race gas and very fine tuning....i think i am personally gonna try the 50 trim.... Slowboy racing has a PTE 50 trim with the mitsu housong for a pretty decent price....still the choice is up to you and good luck

 

[JDMGST]

Depends on what your looking for, a B16G will get you into the low 12s with the proper supporting modifications and a good tune.

A 50trim requires a bit more supporting modifications (bigger injectors and such) but basically that is the last turbo you will need to buy, they support 500hp and have amazing top end power.


If its your DD, I would go B16G all the way.

 

[DSMinn0vati0ns]

Thanks guys for the info.. if anyone else has any points or views or wut turbo would be better.. let me know..

However i think im leaning towards the 50 trim.. im not to sure about which one i will go with but if anyone has any ideas or any expirence with some.. Let me know.. thanks again

 

[HyperGSX]

im in the same boat, but the boost creep issue is only that scares me from the evo3 16g.

 

[DSMinn0vati0ns]

ive been looking around.. and i saw a Turbonetics T3/T4E Turbo that comes in 50trim - Stage 3 - .63A/R.. Wondering if that would be a direct bolt on to my 2g mani and o2 pipe.. also is this a good setup?

 

[CanadianTSi]

When switching from an Evo 3 to a 50trim, all other mods being the same and the same boost level I Picked up 4 tenths and 2mph AND I had a big boost leak with the 50 trim...

 

[katz]

What you should figure out is if you want to be in the powerband more or less of the time. Do you want a quick ride going around town and have almost instant response? E16G
Do you want more of a highway car that can keep up with some of the big hp cars?50 trim or higher

Worry about boost creep later

 

[TsiTom]

I have a B16g and I love it #1. Im at low 13's on 20psi...so im in the market to upgrade as well. whichever turbo you decide on, ditch the internal gate, and just put the money down for an external setup. You'll be happier down the road.

 

[92awddsm]

And another thing to think about before your purchase. With a fwd, wheel spin will be almost instantaniuos with the evo3 but the 50 will spool a little slower and wheel spin wont be immediate. Some will argue about the 50 trim will spin worse but IMHO, Id rather get moving before the wheels spin than to have them spin right off the line.

 

[2g6boltgst]

I agree with getting hte 50 trim forsure

 

[DSMinn0vati0ns]

yeah i tottally agree with 92awddsm... however my question still stands.. is the Turbonetics T3/T4E 50 trim a direct bolt on?

 

[GinNBoost]

I have a 50 trim powered GST and let me tell you that the car is a monster on the highway. Plus with a slower spooling turbo, you can get better gas mileage because you're gonna be in vaccuum 80% of the time. Plus if you plan on racing the car, you'll wanna go bigger soon enough. On top of that, when it comes down to it, the price is essentially the same for either turbo. An E16G will run you about $800 with the install kit, while an AGP 50 trim costs about 800-900 dollars.

 

[bob123131]

Is there really that big of a spool difference in evo3 16g and the 50trim? I am in smae boat as all of u and hate my gs-t traction sucks. I hate gettting beat at the light so is it true the evo 3 16g boost creep helps alot for traction or would the slower spooling turbo let me grip more? I just want what is going to be better in shoprt distance. My fear is the evo will spool to fast and i will jsut spin. Anyone with any ideas?

 

[BoBbOrAzE]

Ha it looks as if a bunch of people are in the market deciding between these two types of turbos. I am again looking to buy one or the other and i think you should go for the 16g even though u can get them for roughly the same price. then again my car is a daily driver that doesnt see the track much and i would like a good all around turbo with decent spool. Plus ive read that the 50 trim sees its full potential after 18psi +.

 

[arash15]

Is there really that big of a spool difference in evo3 16g and the 50trim? I am in smae boat as all of u and hate my gs-t traction sucks. I hate gettting beat at the light so is it true the evo 3 16g boost creep helps alot for traction or would the slower spooling turbo let me grip more? I just want what is going to be better in shoprt distance. My fear is the evo will spool to fast and i will jsut spin. Anyone with any ideas?

this topic has been all over this site, along with the decision between a 50 trim and a 16g. 16g will spool faster, thus making lots of traction issues with a fwd
50 trim will spool slower but you will still have a little bit of traction problems, (you just need to learn how to drive the car)
16g needs a very good tune with all supporting mods to allow you to fall into the high 11's.(most likely run 12's)
50 trim gives you much more room to grow, whereas a 16g will pretty much be maxed out for a 300 whp car.
get a 50 trim if you want to make more power
with all this said, (the numerous times it has been talked about) find someone (if you could) who has these two setups and ask if you could drive it or be driven in it.
finally take the risk and buy the turbo that best satisfies you.

 

[daren_p]

Yes the evoIII will bolt up to your stock exhaust mani & O2 sensor housing. So will the 50 trim if you get one with the mitsubishi style turbine housing. Now Im currently running the evoIII at 18-19 psi & this is a great turbo. It spools quick, I see 19 by ~3200 rpms. It pulls hard to the redline & will keep on going unlike the t25 which stops pulling under 5000 rpms. I find the traction in 1st isnt as bad as my ported t25 as it fully spooled by 2400 rpms. Thats not to say you can't break the tires lose at any time, just easier to control. In second I can run about 15 psi & be just on the edge of breaking traction (with ZR 225/40/18 tires) any higher boost and I can break the tires any time I want, but still easy to control. Now with all that being said it really depends on how much lag bothers you, if you want fast spool or killer top end. My car is really fun as a daily driver and has had no probem with any V8 I've run into so far, but like some other people you always want more hp so I will more then likely go bigger in the next year or two. As Ive heard from other people lag is overated. I was first worried about the evo spooling by 3200 since I didn't like how the t25 spooled when the car was stock but its not such a big deal since you are flowing so much more air. Most of the time with the evo under normal acceleration you will barely get into boost where as with the t25 you'd always see 5 or 10 psi.

 

[DSMJim]

I have a 50 trim now and honestly an disappointed I didn't buy bigger right from the get to. Next turbo will be a GT30R. It pulls nice and I should be able to get a mid 11 out of it this year, but honestly for street power, a GT30R will spool just as fast and make more power at the same boost levels.

I just can't justify buying a turbo now that doesn't make the max amount of power for a given circumstance. Just because a few guys have gone faster on smaller turbo's doesn't mean it's easy or I even want to go there. I would rather just buy a bigger turbo and get there easier right from the get go. This was my logic to go from teh T-25 to the 50 trim initially.

I got the pajamas on the street from Ian Curries Talon (goes 11.2) when he was running a 60-1. From a roll once it spooled it just walked away at the same boost level. That was enough to change my mind right there. I was thinking well 50trim is a really great pump gas turbo, well doesn't matter, the 60-1 still kicked my ass.

 

[JKGMotosports]

I had a 60 trim before I blew my 7 bolt at 20 psi. The turbo wasn't much fun on the street. The turbo was at full boost around 4500 RPM, until than it was boring. 1000...2000...Yawn....3000....oh kinda getting there.... 4000...oh a little faster....4500.. OH SHIT!!!!! 5000,6000,7000 ok beyond the speed limit. But under 4500 RPM the car felt dead. Now with my new motor I went with an EVO3 and man its fun. Full boost at 3000 RPM its a great overall turbo very well balanced between street and race. Go big if you are going to drag, if its a daily driver go with an Evo3 trust me.

 

[DSMJim]

I had a 60 trim before I blew my 7 bolt at 20 psi. The turbo wasn't much fun on the street. The turbo was at full boost around 4500 RPM, until than it was boring. 1000...2000...Yawn....3000....oh kinda getting there.... 4000...oh a little faster....4500.. OH SHIT!!!!! 5000,6000,7000 ok beyond the speed limit. But under 4500 RPM the car felt dead.

What are you doing to have that type of boost response though, puching it in 5th at 20? In 1sty gear in my car, when I hit it from 2000, it flies right to re-line with almost no delay, the gear is so short even with a turbo that's not spooling my motor will rev up quickly. As long as your in the proper gear you will never experience what your talking about. Even in 3rd gear if I punch it at say 3000rpm the time between that moment and when I'm at full boost is fast. If I wanted it to spool instantly I would down shift. Really the perceived problem of slow spool below 4000rpm is something made up in our minds, because we should never be punching the car at those RPMs anyway...

Now with my new motor I went with an EVO3 and man its fun. Full boost at 3000 RPM its a great overall turbo very well balanced between street and race. Go big if you are going to drag, if its a daily driver go with an Evo3 trust me.

I totally disagree. The 50trim is the smallest I woudl run on the street. If it's a daily driver, get the largest turbo you can afford, no smaller than a 50 trim minimum. I had a 16G and it was ok for a while but honestly was a dissappointment. It really wasnt that fast. I wasn't about to take 2 years of my life and every supporting mod in the world to try and get a low 12 high 11 like a very few guys have managed to do. it's easier to get that type of power with a larger turbo right from the start.

To each his own I guess...

 

[BLampinen]

like jim said, spool time is hardly different either way. im running a 16g on a FWD and i dont spool much faster than my friend whos running a 50 trim on AWD. but even the 16g loses traction on FWD, so i would assume the 50 trim would be even worse for traction. also, a 16g is easily capable of 300 whp with the right supporting mods and all. for 400 hp.. the 50 trim is going to handle it, but the 16g is pretty much tapped out at that point. as for the daily driver issue, that depends on how u drive on the streets. my car will rocket past any speed limit i've seen except 75 on an interstate in 2nd gear with a 16g. its come really close to getting me in trouble a few times when i take off over a hill, see a cop up ahead and look down to see im doing 65 in a 45 and still in 2nd... but whenever i highway race my friend with the 50 trim... well theres no real comparison. even though im geared way better than his AWD, i pulls on my like theres no tomorrow with almost identical mod's except the 50 trim vs my 16g.

 

[silvercoupe97]

You guys are hitting it right on the head about spool time. But you guys are forgetting about supporting mods (except you BL), unless you guys that are thinking about bigger turbos, already have 3" turbobacks and the other supporting mods, you'll just keep spool time up. Not saying that even with all the supporting mods in place will keep the lag down but it does help.

I say upgrade the supporting epuipment, you might be surprised by what your current configuration will do with the right mods.

Bigger turbo doesn't always = faster times as stated in here several times.

 

[EvolvingGST]

What are you doing to have that type of boost response though, puching it in 5th at 20? In 1sty gear in my car, when I hit it from 2000, it flies right to re-line with almost no delay, the gear is so short even with a turbo that's not spooling my motor will rev up quickly. As long as your in the proper gear you will never experience what your talking about. Even in 3rd gear if I punch it at say 3000rpm the time between that moment and when I'm at full boost is fast. If I wanted it to spool instantly I would down shift. Really the perceived problem of slow spool below 4000rpm is something made up in our minds, because we should never be punching the car at those RPMs anyway...



I totally disagree. The 50trim is the smallest I woudl run on the street. If it's a daily driver, get the largest turbo you can afford, no smaller than a 50 trim minimum. I had a 16G and it was ok for a while but honestly was a dissappointment. It really wasnt that fast. I wasn't about to take 2 years of my life and every supporting mod in the world to try and get a low 12 high 11 like a very few guys have managed to do. it's easier to get that type of power with a larger turbo right from the start.

To each his own I guess...

Hahah Jim its been a long time... I can see you are as crazy as always... GT30 eh? hahah I will go back and just give the old answer of what you are looking for... I personally have a AGP 50trim .48 and I love it... I got the whole kit from them... I get full at around 2-2.5k. Unless you keep your turbo unspooled there is no way you spool as slow as the other guy said... well he also had a 60 trim ofcourse.

What are your goals... Daily driver and looking for some weekend warrior BS then get a Evo 16G... If you are crazy and everyone else has deemed you super crazy then get a 50 trim or bigger. life begins at higher boost... remember that... As Jim has said there are tons of people who hit very good numbers with a E16G but thats pretty much all they will see with that turbo... I have several friends with E16Gs... they run about 12.0-12.5 This is a rolling average of 4 people's cars all AWD all 1G... My goal is also the 12 second target... But being FWD you have to compensate... So i decided with a 50trim... I will prob never see 12s with a E16G but I might have more fun on a road course.


Each to their own...

-Jason

 

[DSMinn0vati0ns]

With all the information and opinions everyone has givin' me.. i have decided to go with the RS49T... i think this will be my best bet and my best option.. thank you everyone and ill let you all know how it all works out.. Thanks again..