50 Trim or A Big 16G?

[blackmirage]

Ok, This is not neccasarily a wich turbo should I get and how much power will I have post, yet more of a wich is better suited for a noob just starting out on a 1990 AWD Talon TSI.. A 50 Trim or A Big 16G? I appreciate your help.

 

[DanThMan1983]

get a evo3 big 16g

 

[1g_tsi_awd]

Evo III big 16g..

 

[dr1ftx3]

Make sure you get big injectors and a 255 incase you want to get a bigger turbo, which you probably will eventually.

 

[andymoraitis]

My opinion differs having run both the 16G and 50 trim. For pump gas performance and some wicked top end for a street turbo, I say 50 trim all the way. It's very forgiving and a great turbo that you can grow into. I'd recommend the 255/AFPR combo as mentioned and also recommend 650cc injectors as a minimum. 750's or larger would be even better if you plan on getting DSM Link to tune with.

Just my .02,

Andy

 

[gsxAWDdsm692]

Evo III Big 16g

 

[mitsuclipsegsx]

PTE BB 50 trim spools at 3500 just like an evo turbo.

 

[96gstdsm]

I'm also trying to decide between the 50 or 57 trim and the evo3. for the evo3 it seems fairly easy to install in my 2g gst with the install kit. what in all would be required for the 50 trim install? any custom modifications needed? or it is mostly bold on?

Also is the lag difference very noticeable? i will be using it for a dd only. will it be easier with the 50 trim to get decent hp numbers?

 

[blackmirage]

Ok, Alot of you are saying Big 16, why? Just because thats what everyone is doing or because its better to start off with something like that and grow into a 50?? I am new to this, but I have a decent understanding and I'm aware the supporting mods are different, so assuming that you had the minimum supporting mods for ea turbo. I have a blank canvas to paint on, and this will be my first turbo car. I'm 2nd owner of a 90 TSI AWD, completely stock.

 

[lenny 15]

another thing to factor in is, do you want it to be like a road racer, auto x, or drag car? oviously go bigger for a drag car but for a road race/ auto x car you need a good all around turbo. so something that spools quick, but for drag, it doesnt matter so much. also dont forget to do the fuel pump. im saving up so i can buy everything i need for my setup all at once.

 

[blackmirage]

I might drive it on the streets every now and then, but I got like 3 other cars and wont drive this one too much. It will mostly be a 1/8 mile weekend warrior every year. It might see a couple 1/4's but local track is 1/8... I'm just trying to find out if its better to get used to everything with the 16 or go on and do the 50.. I'm thinking of doing the 50 and all supporting mods. I'm trying to draw up a plan and do my research before I start buying crap I dont need, or cant use yet.

 

[chuckg]

I run a 16g with 550s, an safc and a 255 and it's a pretty good setup. I can hold my own with LS1s and stuff, but a buddy of mine has a 50trim with 7xx's, 255 and dsmlink, and it absoultly slams your ass back in the seat.

It really all depends on how much time/money you want to devote. A 50trim will require more supporting mods (big injectors, 255, dsmlink, afpr, fmic so on), but it'll make quite a bit more power. The 16g can be utilized on a mostly stock car depending on your boost level, and in my opinion, is really the best way to go if you're just starting out.

 

[blackmirage]

So your saying 16g because you can run it and have plenty of fun without having to bomb proof the motor just yet, so while your having fun with the 16g your getting parts TO bombproof it and also get the 50 trim. So in an essence your doing the car in stages and the 16g and its supporting mods are the first step. I can see that. Appreciate your oppinions. Now, heres the big question. Where would one suggest getting both. I was considering either Slowboy or Extreme. Does anyone know of a more affordabe and reputable place.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

SBR and extremepsi are both great companies. I've had good luck with both and you shouldn't have a problem with either vendor.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

Just to add my .02. I don't think you should buy a turbo at all. (Unless of course you NEED one to replace a dead one). I would advise spending money in other places to set you up for a larger turbo. Be wary, the 14b is no slouch compared to other stock turbos. Others have gone high 12's with a 14b. Spend money on your supporting mods FIRST. When you grow into those mods and run 20 psi on your 14b, then step up to a larger turbo. Slapping on an FP green on your stock/slightly modded car will make you slower than before.

 

[JayRolla]

Just to add my .02. I don't think you should buy a turbo at all. (Unless of course you NEED one to replace a dead one). I would advise spending money in other places to set you up for a larger turbo. Be wary, the 14b is no slouch compared to other stock turbos. Others have gone high 12's with a 14b. Spend money on your supporting mods FIRST. When you grow into those mods and run 20 psi on your 14b, then step up to a larger turbo. Slapping on an FP green on your stock/slightly modded car will make you slower than before.

I also agree with this. You need a lot more supporting mods for a turbo like you want. If you are in the market for a turbo though, I would go with a 50 trim. I have an evo16g and its a great turbo, but for a pump gas turbo its not the best. The 50 trim will get you more power on a pump gas application making it a little better for a street turbo.

 

[blackmirage]

Oh I agree with you guys tottally. Keeping the 14b for now is part of the plan. But I'm anal retentive, bored, and I analyze things too much. So I got a list from where I'm at now to where i wanna be in a couple years. Something to do, kinds puts things in perpective and all. Yeah, I've read the 14b is no slouch. I plan on getting this thing running first. . Trying to figure that out right now as a matter of fact.

 

[fourreGsixty3]

In my opinion its all about what you can spend on it, and what your goals are. You can have a 16G with upgrading the fuel pump, depending oin size of fuel pump you will need an AFPR if you use a FP larger then a Wally 190, because the stock FPR will get over run, you will need larger injectors, with a 16G atleast 550s if you run 16psi, 660s with 93 octane if you run 17-18psi. You will also need a tunning device such as S-AFC II, DSMLink, or a standalone EMS. If you wont be going larger then a 16G and 660s then a S-AFC II will do the job fine, but if you go larger you will need a DSMLink, all of these will also need a logger. With the 16G it is mostly fuel mods...untill you hit the infamous boost creep, but this is a good thing IMO because it lets you know your making some power, but this is an entirely different story.
If you go BB 50 trim you will have to do a FMIC, AFPR,wally 255, 660s at the least, but these will need the DSMLink so you might as well go with some 720s to get a nice low IDC. And other small mods will be needed to get the most out of these turbos.
But my vote is with getting all the supporting mods for the 50 trim, keep the 14B if its fine with no shaft play(too much side to side) &(in and out play). Because the best mod you can do for your car is seat time seat time and more seat time, you will get fast from just practicing and getting a good launching technique. Also either way you decide to go get the pump rewired, and get a good tune, all of the mods in the world wont matter if you dont have a tune to utilize the peak out of them.

Dustin

 

[fourreGsixty3]

Oh I agree with you guys tottally. Keeping the 14b for now is part of the plan. But I'm anal retentive, bored, and I analyze things too much. So I got a list from where I'm at now to where i wanna be in a couple years. Something to do, kinds puts things in perpective and all. Yeah, I've read the 14b is no slouch. I plan on getting this thing running first. . Trying to figure that out right now as a matter of fact.

This is a great way to go at moding your car. I am the same way. Why rush into modding it when you dont know where to go from there, it just doesn't make sence. I have gone through many revisions on my set-up, and it will go through a few more before Im ready to start it up.
Good luck, and keep us posted,

Dustin

 

[blackmirage]

Thanks, I appreciate the oppinions. I see where you're all coming from. I amd just trying to get it running as it sits, but at the same time I want to do my research on all kinds of questions I have, and that was just one of them I was curious about that really isnt neccesarily pertinent right now. But thaks for all the input, it helps out ALOT.

 

[eldiabloz13]

Dsmlink is kind of on the expensive side. Granted its a lot less then the stand alones but still. Now i say 50 trim. You will have so much more to work with. The 16g is a awesome turbo though. No doubt about that, but your going to go fmic anyways. Not many people run the 16g and not a fmic. So its not that big of a deal and afpr is no biggie either. Now as far as the injector size goes. Why not get a chip? Sure dsmlink is awesome to tune with but i will be running MAf-t and 7XX chipped. So i dont have to worry about tuning soo much. Im a plug and drive kind of guy.

 

[JayRolla]

Sure dsmlink is awesome to tune with but i will be running MAf-t and 7XX chipped. So i dont have to worry about tuning soo much. Im a plug and drive kind of guy

Actually a 2g maf a burned chip and a safc2 would be easier to tune than a maf-t

 

[brute]

DSM Link is actually not that expensive if you consider what it comes with. For individual components that don't even compare to Link's tunability, it comes out about even.

SAFC: $300
Logger: $130
One of Jeff's chips: $100

 

[andymoraitis]

How about this:

EPROM ECU with a Keydiver chip (custom A/F and timing tables): 360.00

No logger, AFC or MAFT needed.

 

[brute]

But where's the fun in that?