You chose GT35r or holset hx-35/40?

[dsm-onster]

No one who has pushed their hx40 has been to the track. There's only 5-6 guys who actually have a holset on their car and run it. 2-3 have hx40s.

The popularity thing is the problem. You'r right! Who's going to run an 'unproven' turbo? A handful of guys with full weight cars and not alot of money . I'll put it this way. There's no one who's been to a track with a holset, that hasn't run an 11 second time with stock weight. Everyone is waiting to see and, what, 3 users are doing anything about it. Yea, that's going to take some time. It's not like there isn't proof that these turbos CAN do it. Again, no one who's pushed their hx40 has been to the track. There have been some who've pushed their hx35 and have shown superior results, considering the poor flowing turbine housing used and hx35 compressor map. There are a few this year that are poised to reach 10s. Is that the magic number? Probably to this community. We're in a community that accepts certain turbos because they've put out 10second timeslips after how many years being on the market? with who driving/building the car?

Those that shy away from the holset choice, DO NOT buy it. Just wait. If it takes more proof, that is 100% fine. It's your car, of course. The hx35 has done low 11s at 126mph with a low 11, 125mph+ compressor map. So that one is proven. If you're looking for more, then you can wait for this season to unfold, or buy the proven. But are you looking for an ET or a MPH? The hx40 has been proven to deliver a 10second horsepower number. Isn't 650whp enough for 10s? Or will we have to go back to the 14b because it is a 10second turbo? But still, don't buy a turbo you're not comfortable with.

And further. There's going to be hundreds who will still berate these turbos even when 10's 9's etc. have been achieved. All they have to say is "look at how many guys run 10s with the garrett turbos vs. the number of 10second holset builds!" So many, many good-hearted souls think that you can actually just bolt on 10s. "500 users have made 10s with X brand. That's the 10second choice!" No understanding of the context. No objective research.

If it hasn't been proven on a 4g63, does it not count?

 

[ceedawg]

No one who has pushed their hx40 has been to the track. There's only 5-6 guys who actually have a holset on their car and run it. 2-3 have hx40s.

The popularity thing is the problem. You'r right! Who's going to run an 'unproven' turbo? A handful of guys with full weight cars and not alot of money . I'll put it this way. There's no one who's been to a track with a holset, that hasn't run an 11 second time with stock weight. Everyone is waiting to see and, what, 3 users are doing anything about it. Yea, that's going to take some time. It's not like there isn't proof that these turbos CAN do it. Again, no one who's pushed their hx40 has been to the track. There have been some who've pushed their hx35 and have shown superior results, considering the poor flowing turbine housing used and hx35 compressor map. There are a few this year that are poised to reach 10s. Is that the magic number? Probably to this community. We're in a community that accepts certain turbos because they've put out 10second timeslips after how many years being on the market? with who driving/building the car?

Those that shy away from the holset choice, DO NOT buy it. Just wait. If it takes more proof, that is 100% fine. It's your car, of course. The hx35 has done low 11s at 126mph with a low 11, 125mph+ compressor map. So that one is proven. If you're looking for more, then you can wait for this season to unfold, or buy the proven. But are you looking for an ET or a MPH? The hx40 has been proven to deliver a 10second horsepower number. Isn't 650whp enough for 10s? Or will we have to go back to the 14b because it is a 10second turbo? But still, don't buy a turbo you're not comfortable with.

And further. There's going to be hundreds who will still berate these turbos even when 10's 9's etc. have been achieved. All they have to say is "look at how many guys run 10s with the garrett turbos vs. the number of 10second holset builds!" So many, many good-hearted souls think that you can actually just bolt on 10s. "500 users have made 10s with X brand. That's the 10second choice!" No understanding of the context. No objective research.

If it hasn't been proven on a 4g63, does it not count?

Well after Uncle Sam gives me my $$ I will be able to get my hands dirty,purchase my TS mani($1k+) and Turbine housing,new 4" FMIC($1k+) and post some good #'s with my 6 bladed HX40.

 

[diambo4life]

GT35R is a tried proven combo on DSMs. It's a 'no brainer.' Yes, it does matter when there's a proven track record.

 

[Slippi84]

GT35R is a tried proven combo on DSMs. It's a 'no brainer.' Yes, it does matter when there's a proven track record.

So does that extra $1000 in your pocket at the end of the day

 

[dsm-onster]

If you want a garrett because you just like the brand, then what's wrong with saving up for what you want? Definately pay for what you want. It's *YOUR* name on the title.

But, because you don't see many holset's on dsmtimes? Hmm, there 4-500 ford 4.6 mod motor cars in the 10s for every 1 4g6* motor in the 10s. A 650whp AWD dsm with the same powerband as a gt3076r WONT net 10s?

If holsets havn't been proven on a 4g63, does it not count?

838hp hx55 Volvo 850 turbo
865hp hx55 Volvo 242 turbo
619 hp hx40 Toyota Supra MKIV
575hp hx40 Saab 9000 turbo
568hp hx40 Saab 9000 Aero
550hp hx40 BMW 525 turbo
506hp hx35 Volvos S40
500hp hx35 Volvo 740

Crazy Swedes! What are they thinking. That was just from one website from one country in Europe.

 

[soldave]

What kind of price are you picking up the GT35R for? I'm in a same same but different situation, with a GT35R at a great price and would be upgrading from a 50-trim (running 11.68s at 1.55bar) but don't know if I'd really see the benefits unless I upgraded clutch and went better internals.

 

[fastfive0]

Ended up going with the hx40pro

 

[Slippi84]

Ended up going with the hx40pro

Good choice

 

[TxR6guy]

Ive got the 6 blade Hx40 pro here also, i believe they flow at around 60lb w/ the dsm housing. Someone correct me if im wrong.

 

[dsm-onster]

The compressor flow potential is independent of the turbine flow potential. The compressor is a 68-70lb/min compressor. There are 2 hx40 turbine wheels the faster spooling 10blade and the higher flowing 12blade. The 12blade with the BEP bolton housing should be fine to extract the most from the pro 70lb/min compressor. Not sure about the 10blade. But yes if you'll need a solid 60lb/min to reach your goal, this is the turbo for you. It will do this without breaking a sweat and spool rediculously fast.

 

[TxR6guy]

I called Bullseye where i bought mine from they said it was rated @ 65lb so, but i just went out and double checked mine and mine is the 12 blade w/ dsm housing.


So if i do the formula does that mean im going to have to run gob's boost just to attain 60lb on a 2.0l or should i have gone with a 2.3 stroker?


or am i even making sense hahah...sorry

 

[dsm-onster]

You have to run significant boost to see 60lb/min. That's the nature of turbocharging.

You can lower your required boost with a larger turbine housing, but you still will need to run more boost than what pump gas can handle. Boost is relative and arbitrary.

I don't know what BEP is talking about. We have compressor maps and dyno numbers. The hx40 compressor is a 68lb/min compressor and the 12blade turbine wheel flows more than the Ptrim turbine wheel. It can more than keep up. Perhaps they ar giving you a conservative flow number for the hx40 pro compressor with the bep hotside??

 

[2deep]

GT35R is a tried proven combo on DSMs. It's a 'no brainer.' Yes, it does matter when there's a proven track record.

Just by looking on DSMtimes.org you can clearly see that out of the top 100 1G DSMs there are 9 GT35R powered cars and ZERO Holsets. Out of the top 100 2G DSMs there are 14 GT35R turbos and once again ZERO Holsets! Now are you going to take the advice of cheap DSMers looking for the cheapest bang-for-their-buck, or are you going to follow the proven track record of the GT35R?

 

[BkzProblem]

Just by looking on DSMtimes.org you can clearly see that out of the top 100 1G DSMs there are 9 GT35R powered cars and ZERO Holsets. Out of the top 100 2G DSMs there are 14 GT35R turbos and once again ZERO Holsets! Now are you going to take the advice of cheap DSMers looking for the cheapest bang-for-their-buck, or are you going to follow the proven track record of the GT35R?

ok, thats very ignorant... the gt35 has been around alot longer than holsets on the DSM scene so of course its going to show more results... Holsets have just come in to the picure on a wide scale level ON DSM'S my friend.... My buddy has a holset hx40 in his stock block 4g63 mirage pushing 28lbs and runs low 11's all day... I know of a few people here in n.y. that hx40's and hx35 and are just waiting for englishtown to open up to test the turbo out.... just because its proven doesnt mean that there isnt something out there that isnt better....

 

[dsm-onster]

Here we go again . . .What does the gt35r offer over the hx40 other than sponsored track time? Checkbook racing.

As mentioned above, where was the gt35r the first 5 years of it's existance? These holsets are just starting to be recognized. There is NO one with an hx40 that has pushed it and taken it to the track. There ARE many 600+ whp hx40 cars.

As I already said earler in this thread:

If you want a garrett because you just like the brand, then what's wrong with saving up for what you want? Definately pay for what you want. It's *YOUR* name on the title.

But, because you don't see many holset's on dsmtimes? Hmm, there 4-500 ford 4.6 mod motor cars in the 10s for every 1 4g6* motor in the 10s. A 650whp hx40 powered AWD dsm with the same powerband as a gt3076r powered AWD WONT net 10s?
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BTW. I am NOT cheap. It's not like I didn't buy an 18g from fp, fp2x cams, sbr 3500PP and ACT FW and Manley valve springs and 2 sets of valves from slowboy, Clutchnet 6puc sprung hub disk, dsmlink, a small 16g and aeromotive FPR and walbro fuel pump from extremepsi, bcs from extreme psi, CF clutch kits from buschur, AGP 60-1 (oops), PTE fuel injectors from dejon, FIC fuel injectors, MAFT and scanmaster3 and LM-1 wideband from fullthrottle, EvoScan, Bullseye bolton housing . . . just off the top of my head, I'm coming up with $7000+, minus the car, with stuff I've bought with vendors. JUST FOR THIS CAR.

Things are the same, region to region. In europe you get laughed at for choosing a GT turbo over a holset. Over there it's not like there arnt many 9second hx55 cars and 10second hx40 cars. Because of such the ballistic tech is looked at as rather overrated. It must be the american air. Works better with garretts and MHI turbos: oh look there's a 14b in the 10s. I guess we all should swap back. We're doing it wrong

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[TimG]

Just by looking on DSMtimes.org you can clearly see that out of the top 100 1G DSMs there are 9 GT35R powered cars and ZERO Holsets. Out of the top 100 2G DSMs there are 14 GT35R turbos and once again ZERO Holsets! Now are you going to take the advice of cheap DSMers looking for the cheapest bang-for-their-buck, or are you going to follow the proven track record of the GT35R?

Kevin. I'm crushed. And hurt. And crushed that you think this way about the Holsets.

J/K. I don't really care. Haha. My track problems are more to do with the tires I run and the gas I pump.

 

[Slippi84]

Just by looking on DSMtimes.org you can clearly see that out of the top 100 1G DSMs there are 9 GT35R powered cars and ZERO Holsets. Out of the top 100 2G DSMs there are 14 GT35R turbos and once again ZERO Holsets! Now are you going to take the advice of cheap DSMers looking for the cheapest bang-for-their-buck, or are you going to follow the proven track record of the GT35R?

Says the deadbeat lurker with like .00000000000000000001 post per day

GT35R has made cars go fast maybe now all the garret dick swingers can calm down.

I have a feeling after this upcoming season there will be plenty of holsets proving you can go fast with a turbo other than garret. Then said dick swingers will be like

 

[JusMX141]

Just by looking on DSMtimes.org you can clearly see that out of the top 100 1G DSMs there are 9 GT35R powered cars and ZERO Holsets. Out of the top 100 2G DSMs there are 14 GT35R turbos and once again ZERO Holsets! Now are you going to take the advice of cheap DSMers looking for the cheapest bang-for-their-buck, or are you going to follow the proven track record of the GT35R?

....and how long has the GT35R been used on these cars versus the HX40?

I believe we're just beginning to scratch the surface of what the Holset turbos can do on these cars now that all the information is out there, and Matt (dsm-onster) has done so much to make it available to us. In prior years nobody knew which housing allowed the HX40 turbine to flow at it's fullest potential. With as many folks there are using HX40's and now even the HX50/52, I believe you're going to see the GT35R's on the DSMtimes list being pushed further toward the bottom. I'm sure there will be alot of jealous Garrett owners when they find out they got beat by a car with a turbo setup that cost 1/3rd as much as theirs.

Of course this is all just speculation, but I'm sure most DSMers feel they can't go wrong with the HX40 being basically an affordable version of the GT35R in a rebuildable journal-bearing platform.

 

[twicks69]

Says the deadbeat lurker with like .00000000000000000001 post per day

GT35R has mad cars go fast maybe now all the garret dick swingers can calm down.

I have a feeling after this upcoming season there will be plenty of holsets proving you can go fast with a turbo other than garret. Then said dick swingers will be like

Bring it.





















I Like Garrett/FP/TiAL products and think that they are worth the money and worth it for their proven results, time and time again. They are great products. Period.

I am still going to try a Borg Warner this season because they are potentially just as potent as their garrett counterparts and cost dramatically less when researched. Hopefully the results are what I am expecting.

 

[wancsta]

Says the deadbeat lurker with like .00000000000000000001 post per day

GT35R has mad cars go fast maybe now all the garret dick swingers can calm down.

I have a feeling after this upcoming season there will be plenty of holsets proving you can go fast with a turbo other than garret. Then said dick swingers will be like

I can't wait for this season to start. Viva la revolucion

 

[Aaron91RS]

There's only 1 public AWD dyno in the St. Louis area which is $200/hr dyno/AEM tuning.
I'll get there someday $$$

In the mean time if anyone offers me free AWD dyno time in a 200 mile radius. I'll show you what an hx40 pro can do with some serious mods on e85.

My guess = something goes kaboom actually.

 

[dsm-onster]

Yep there is NOTHING wrong with a GT turbo. Your money is your money is your money.

What's odd is the lack of appreciation for other products. Is it a status symbol? A 'camp'? Another way to judge someone? Because results arn't on a website is a little unrealistic as an explination, knowing human nature and some of the comments that have been floating around. Where would we be if we all stuck with the VPC because it was proven. It was obvious that other platforms would work. But the proven always trumps?

You never hear between BW users and Holset users . . .

This year will be nice

 

[Slippi84]

Bring it.





















I Like Garrett/FP/TiAL products and think that they are worth the money and worth it for their proven results, time and time again. They are great products. Period.

I am still going to try a Borg Warner this season because they are potentially just as potent as their garrett counterparts and cost dramatically less when researched. Hopefully the results are what I am expecting.

Lol it's ok man your no longer a garret guy you crossed over to the dark side haha. I have to admit your results with the 4088r are very impressive but the s374 will surpass those numbers.

 

[2deep]

Says the deadbeat lurker with like .00000000000000000001 post per day QUOTE]

Check out my join date, I've been on this forum ALOT longer than yourself! I've been working on/racing DSMs a lot longer than that too! And I hope your not equating race knowledge/experience with post counts


Hate on me all you want for stating facts, its not going to make me any slower or you any faster!

DSM-onster, what kind of ETs have you had with your holset

Tim, you know I still love you! You actually get out to the track and provide real world numbers.

 

[dsm-onster]

There's only one reason why I havn't given out my results. And there's only one reason why holsets arn't on dsmtimes.org. . . No other possible reason at all

No one who's ever strapped on an hx35 (or h1c) to their full weight car and gone to the track has NOT net a low 11. I'll leave it at that.