Which Turbo Should I Get [merged] What Turbo

[Ludachris]

Which turbo will be sufficient for consistent 11 second times? I've recently decided on a big 16g, but will that be big enough to run 11s with supporting mods and decent tuning? Remember, this is for a budget street car, so any one purchase over $1k is tough. A big 16g will run about $700-900, which is about $300-400 less than the larger alternatives.

Of course, I'll need lots of practice to run these times, but, I just want to make sure that it's possible before the money is spent.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

GT35R Lots of big power with good enough spool.

BTW I love spending money after coming back from a deployment

It will make the power but will not spool where he is hoping too.

 

[tenn-gsx]

I have dsm link. The large injectors are so I can run e85.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

oh ok, sorry. I didn't know that.

Just make sure you don't make the mistake of going with turbo that is really too big for your goals and needs. I can't tell you how many times i talk to people that were sold on something much bigger than they should have gotten because the vendor they dealt with didn't bother asking the right questions.

good luck

 

[tenn-gsx]

Its cool i suppose i should have mentioned that i planned to run e85.

 

[turboglenn]

oh ok, sorry. I didn't know that.

Just make sure you don't make the mistake of going with turbo that is really too big for your goals and needs. I can't tell you how many times i talk to people that were sold on something much bigger than they should have gotten because the vendor they dealt with didn't bother asking the right questions.

good luck

exactly...11's can be had on a 20g (althouhg pushings it's limits) it would still spool really nicely compared to the other "larger turbos" that have been mentioned and you should have enough E85 on hand with the 1600's

I've been looking into an E85 or pure alcohol conversion but i know from what drag car experience i have that alchohol requires special injectors that you can't run normal gas through so i've always wondered what is needed for E85 and how long they woulld last runnning normal gas


oops...meant to hit reply last night and forgot..so this response is probably old by now

 

[talontd92tsi]

I would vote for a FP 3052, bolt on 30R FTW.

 

[tenn-gsx]

I know of a guy who has been runnin e85 for over a year now. He loves it has no problems. Just takes 20-30% more fuel. His fuel system consists of 2 044s set up parallel going to a 10 an line just before the afpr, with 1600cc injectors. he has enough flow to run the 1600s at 30psi base pressure and only be at 85 or 90%idc at red line. I THINK he has a 35r but not sure. Anyway there are alot of guys runnin e85 with no issues once you work out the inital tune and get the fuel system up to snuff.

 

[turboglenn]

any idea what kind of A/F's he's running? I'm interested in this soley for the cool burn of the alcohol base fuel. which should allow more boost

 

[2gGSX]

~13.0:1. The cool burn + slower flame propagation + everything else about E85 all factor into why it suppresses knock.

 

[tenn-gsx]

You can run 13:1 ratios but most run 11.5-12:1 You really see no improvement in performance past 12:1. So why Not give yourself a little safety margin. And he runs about 5 lbs more boost on the same set up with e85 vs 93. Again going from memory so I migh be a little off on the boost he is runnin.

 

[TalonF4AWD]

No clue how I missed that on the VFAQ, thanks alot. My setup already has an external wastegate, I believe he said it was a 44mm.

 

[We're on Boost]

Well it is easy to miss, the article is just called "Turbo Comparison" and you would have no idea that the Frankenstein's are in there.
One way or another I hope those vfaqs will be around for ever but you never know. When I find a good reference thing like that I go "File, Save As" in Internet Explorer and save the whole thing as a .mht (web archive single file) on my harddrive. Actually in this case it was right-click, "Save Target As". Nothing like having your own library of good stuff.

Gary

 

[Stapl3]

Bullseye power is a joke. Stay away from those clowns.

s256? 20g? 30r? pte 50 trims? For a setup like that? Get real guys. He's not going to run a stock 4g63 with a safc.

If you're running a built 4g63 and a fuel system like that, might as well get a turbo to match that shlt. There's a million options but go big or go home. Want to know what to run? Call up FP, tell them your setup, tell them you want max it and get your money's worth. The tell them your turbo budget. They'll tell you what to run. Don't waste your time with middlemen vendors (no offense to those that replied whom are such).

 

[2gGSX]

Bullseye power is a joke. Stay away from those clowns.

s256? 20g? 30r? pte 50 trims? For a setup like that? Get real guys. He's not going to run a stock 4g63 with a safc.

If you're running a built 4g63 and a fuel system like that, might as well get a turbo to match that shlt. There's a million options but go big or go home. Want to know what to run? Call up FP, tell them your setup, tell them you want max it and get your money's worth. The tell them your turbo budget. They'll tell you what to run. Don't waste your time with middlemen vendors (no offense to those that replied whom are such).

Their turbo's showing good promise on my car. I don't know what grudge(s) you have with them, but the Borg Warner turbos seem to be doing well.

Based on what he wants (spool in particular), what's wrong with any of those turbos you stated? He said he wanted 10's or 11's with a quick spool, and that is what those turbos you mentioned will do.

 

[Stapl3]

Nothing, but if he wants to run 1000-1600cc injectors and a built 4g63, he shouldn't be wasting his time with a 50 trim.

Just for kicks, search up bullseye and you'll understand the grudge held by many.

 

[Loewen21]

Hes running such big injectors ### hes running e85 you idiot. He doesnt want to max out his car he wants to run low 11s or high 10s and have quick spool.

 

[Stapl3]

So why use a built motor again?

 

[Locke]

The Internet Archive has VFAQ safely saved away

 

[tenn-gsx]

Staple get out of the thread if all you want to do is bash. Your not contributing so get lost.

 

[daren_p]

With the power you want to make, your not going to be able to find a turbo thats going to spool sub 4000 rpms on a 2.0L. Depending on supporting mods your probably looking more in the 4500-5000 rpm range. FP3052 or FP3065 are two very nice options but may be out of your price range. You could also go with the non FP, Garrett T3 version of those turbo's, the GT3076 or GT3082. If your looking for quicker spool, these turbo's with BB center sections will help you out but if your looking for less cost, a std thrust bearing center section may be the way to go, at the cost of some additional spool & slower shift recovery.

 

[lonoma01]

Hey everybody, I am new to the Dsm world, I have had buddy's with dsm's and had always loved them. Well about 2 months ago i bought a 90 eagle talon awd from a guy i know. And he told me there was everything you could do to the motor except for crank. And i figured sents i knew the guy i would be good. Well a week and half after i got it. it was spitting oil out of the cap so much that it took out the alternator. well i put a new alternator on and the car wouldn't start. So i did a compression test and the results were pretty bad. 2 cylinders no compression. well started getting into the motor and come to find out the car is completely stock except for cams and springs. Sent the head to the machine shop because 2 valve were gummed up pretty bad. and the shop said the valves were not in right. And for the best part, We noticed the pistons were different. the car had 3 non turbo pistons in it which were cranked and 1 turbo. ANd the funny thing about this car is the guy i got it from in a mechanic. But anyways enough about my ripping off. this is what is going back into it. be done in about 2 weeks

weisco 2nd gen pistons 8:1compression Je rings
crower billet robs 1gen crank to 2nd gen pistons waiting to show up in mail
the head is finished now
put crower springs valves and cams in it.
cometic head gasket
arp head stud bolts
255 walbro pump
750cc injectors
holley fuel pressure regulator
aem widband
s-afc
avcr
super 16g ported and clipped was on car
buschar exshault downpipe back
front mount.

Sorry so long but wanting to say what was on my mind. But i have one question for all. I am wanting to upgrade the turbo, Because i think the 16g is going to be holding me back on what i can do. Do you think i should go to a gt35r. or any recommendations from anyone on what else i should do to the car.
please help i am really new to dsm's

thanks jason

 

[cruisintalonawd]

What are you trying to get to..... number wise
what rods and you do know that the 2g pistons have a bigger or smaller wrist pin( i don't remember which it was)

 

[lonoma01]

yeah i knew that when i got them. thats why i got the crower billet conversion rods the side for the crank is 1gen and the piston side is 2nd gen i got a deal on the pistons and they were 8:1 so i went with them. I dont no i am hoping for around 450 or a little more. and i no the s16g is good for mid to high 300s from what i have read. i am not sure with the internals i am dong on what i am capable of for sure.

 

[97gstjosh]

I think he said crower rods if so
2G wrist pins are bigger 22mm.
It depends on what numbers you want to net like stated above.
Get rid of the AFC and go DSMlink please.
Upgrade the fuel lines and what exhaust manifold are you using?
The super 16g is good for up to 400WHP I believe so chime in if im mistaken. So if your not aiming higher than that your golden just get some more supporting mods.

 

[cruisintalonawd]

With that setup you could get into the 500 power range with changing the turbo and throwing the SAFC junk idea out the window . if I were you I'd get dsmlink

Fuel lines can't forgert those like I do and he beat me to it