Where are the FWDs at????

[gingerbredman00]

I have no 2nd gear above 15psi

Sucks dont it?
Second gear becomes a burnout contest at about 5,500rpm/13psi.

 

[Pirrofab]

Sucks dont it?
Second gear becomes a burnout contest at about 5,500rpm/13psi.

Being as im still on the 14b running 20psi when I do this on cold tires or cold pavement this fun little jump on the guy next to me leaves me playing catch up. Atleast it still plays with stage 2 srt4s and I have 214k on the stock bottom end.

 

[habitatguy187]

Being as im still on the 14b running 20psi when I do this on cold tires or cold pavement this fun little jump on the guy next to me leaves me playing catch up.

This is one of the main reasons I went with a 20g instead of a 16g (besides the fact that I didn't want to jump on the 16g bandwagon). Slower spool really does help quite a bit. I figured the torque of a 16g would break the tires loose in an instant. Kinda sucks we have to go the big turbo route to catch the awd guys but it really makes up for it in the last 1/8th.

 

[Pirrofab]

This is one of the main reasons I went with a 20g instead of a 16g (besides the fact that I didn't want to jump on the 16g bandwagon). Slower spool really does help quite a bit. I figured the torque of a 16g would break the tires loose in an instant. Kinda sucks we have to go the big turbo route to catch the awd guys but it really makes up for it in the last 1/8th.

After three years of playing with the fwd I decided to go with a holset 35 and go awd. Being as with just a few mods my car went 14.1 @101mph and then after a bunch of upgrades then went back to the track and ran the same exact time with just more tire spin i'm putting the fwd to rest. A holset 35 on a fwd would just be insane though.. If it would hook up it would be a nasty highway car. Just being out in the snow and almost getting stuck today made me really want to get my awd project finished.

 

[turbodsm18]

After three years of playing with the fwd I decided to go with a holset 35 and go awd. Being as with just a few mods my car went 14.1 @101mph and then after a bunch of upgrades then went back to the track and ran the same exact time with just more tire spin i'm putting the fwd to rest. A holset 35 on a fwd would just be insane though.. If it would hook up it would be a nasty highway car. Just being out in the snow and almost getting stuck today made me really want to get my awd project finished.

I run a HX-40 on my 2g fwd.....People now days seem to give up on fwd way to easy.....Everybody who has given up local, I ask why, and they say because of traction....Funny because they never even try to put slicks on the car, they expect it to hook with street tires...

I went awd and came back to fwd to go at it again....

-Kevin-

 

[Side_Show]

i know how you feel i almost got stuck in the snow today too. Also took me an hour to get up the hill to park my car in the garage. Shit, wish i could even start my AWD project, that car has been in a garage since i got. 2years

 

[firebirdvert305]

12.4 @ 127mph, 1.9 60', kept locking me out of gear...only on 25psi (approx 580-600whp), car has 140+mph traps in it once I get a decent clutch in it. MT ET Drags 24.5X8X15 tires at 13psi tire pressure...

 

[habitatguy187]

Being as with just a few mods my car went 14.1 @101mph and then after a bunch of upgrades then went back to the track and ran the same exact time with just more tire spin i'm putting the fwd to rest.

Did any of those later upgrades include suspension mods? You'd think your mph would at least be higher after more upgrades.

 

[nicknorth11]

I run a HX-40 on my 2g fwd.....People now days seem to give up on fwd way to easy.....Everybody who has given up local, I ask why, and they say because of traction....Funny because they never even try to put slicks on the car, they expect it to hook with street tires...

I went awd and came back to fwd to go at it again....

-Kevin-

Sure, that'd work if you only want to go fast when you have your slicks on.

FWD sucks unless you're not making much hp, you only roll race at high speeds, or you've spent a lot of money on your tranny, suspension and tires.

 

[kmj 4g63t]

Not using my fwd for 1/4 mile, using it for track, haven't gone yet still got a lot of stuff to do before my car gets there! Up here there's a good amount of people getting good times at the track though with fwd.

Don't know if you guys have ever heard of Serge Turcotte but he owns the fastest fwd mirage. Kind of a Quebec version of John Shepherd. Running 8's in a 1/4 and I've heard a few people doing 9's on both Eclipses and Talons. Not sure if it's true or not but in Quebec people that own any DSM are really dedicated being that if it's fwd or awd were always up for the challenge.

I'm pushing over 300whp and of course traction is always an issue. I got a fwd because of the price, highway DESTRUCTION and to prove people at the track that awd and rwd DOESN'T ALWAYS WIN!

 

[GSTTOBEAT]

your the man , im gonna hold you to that !

I wont disappoint

 

[nicknorth11]

Not using my fwd for 1/4 mile, using it for track, haven't gone yet still got a lot of stuff to do before my car gets there! Up here there's a good amount of people getting good times at the track though with fwd.

Don't know if you guys have ever heard of Serge Turcotte but he owns the fastest fwd mirage. Kind of a Quebec version of John Shepherd. Running 8's in a 1/4 and I've heard a few people doing 9's on both Eclipses and Talons. Not sure if it's true or not but in Quebec people that own any DSM are really dedicated being that if it's fwd or awd were always up for the challenge.

I'm pushing over 300whp and of course traction is always an issue. I got a fwd because of the price, highway DESTRUCTION and to prove people at the track that awd and rwd DOESN'T ALWAYS WIN!

Have you not heard of kiggly? He's our resident fwd icon. Shep is awd.

Do you have lsd? Its seems to me that a fwd car would be even worse on a road course due to the turns. I'd definitely save up for one if I were you. It'll be the single best mod you can do, imo.

Lastly, hp to hp, awd and rwd > fwd anyday. (Of course, given enough money, anything is possible).

 

[92AWDHX40]

I have my fwd for fun and more projects than anything it wont see the track, but im going to take some ideas of my fwd and maybe one day find a awd even the shell. Then have some fun with that.

 

[turbodsm18]

12.4 @ 127mph, 1.9 60', kept locking me out of gear...only on 25psi (approx 580-600whp), car has 140+mph traps in it once I get a decent clutch in it. MT ET Drags 24.5X8X15 tires at 13psi tire pressure...

Whats your current clutch setup....I have a ACT 2600 pressure plate with a south bend feramic six puck....

-Kevin-

 

[nicknorth11]

His profile says an ACT 2600.

 

[firebirdvert305]

ACT2600, with a organic street disc. Going to be swapped out in short for an 4 puck unsprung race disk.

 

[kmj 4g63t]

Have you not heard of kiggly? He's our resident fwd icon. Shep is awd.

Do you have lsd? Its seems to me that a fwd car would be even worse on a road course due to the turns. I'd definitely save up for one if I were you. It'll be the single best mod you can do, imo.

Lastly, hp to hp, awd and rwd > fwd anyday. (Of course, given enough money, anything is possible).

Your 100% right! I don't have lsd, for some odd reason though it feels really nimble in the turns and it feels as if it's meant to be on a track ( I know it's really weird), DSM's are chameleons sometimes never know what they can pull off.

 

[habitatguy187]

Speaking of LSD's, I'm pretty sure I'm going to buy a phantom grip lsd. I know it's just an insert and there's a lot of bad talk about inserts but I've read a lot of good things about the Phantom insert, and I can get a brand new one for $120 supposedly. I'm really curious as to how much it will improve traction.

 

[kmj 4g63t]

Speaking of LSD's, I'm pretty sure I'm going to buy a phantom grip lsd. I know it's just an insert and there's a lot of bad talk about inserts but I've read a lot of good things about the Phantom insert, and I can get a brand new one for $120 supposedly. I'm really curious as to how much it will improve traction.

If you end up buying it, put up a description of how traction feels after install vs before. Would be interesting to see if the inserts actually do something worth while.

 

[habitatguy187]

If you end up buying it, put up a description of how traction feels after install vs before. Would be interesting to see if the inserts actually do something worth while.

I'm sure I'll get one, but the question is when. I have to pull my trans again to see why I can't shift gears anymore, but I have a few other projects I have to finish before I can even do that. Hopefully the trans will still be out around tax time and I'll pick up the lsd.

The car has also dropped a lot of weight (about 160lbs) since it was last running properly and I still have about 200 more lbs I want to get rid of, so it won't be a perfect before/after review, but it should be decent still. There's quite a few threads on the Phantom Grip LSD if you want to look into it more.

 

[gst707]

You say that now since you're still on stock turbo, but trust me when I say it gets pretty annoying when you spin 2nd and 3rd. What are you going to do roll race from mid 4th? WTF

Not to mention you're talking about street racing only (I'd rather have a good track time and a number to prove my car is fast) but I also don't like the idea of taking my stock 17yr old suspension car to speeds of 120+ roll racing.

I know a lot of local guys will roll race their civics and trans am's to 150mph+ on the streets. That's way too dangerous for my tastes and stupid to assume that you're immune from a dog, racoon or deer running out in front of you at that speed.

Looking back I would have bought an awd, but since I have this and have put so much work into it I'll probably build it up for good track times and save the awd for when I get an evo.

people that burn out in 2nd and 3rd must not have good tires... i mean buy some falkens or pirellis then you'll definitely get traction on the streets... unless ## pushing like 400++ horses... and as for the 1/4 mile buy some slicks and warm them up then you can launch like an awd... oh yeah add the 2 step ... fwd's are fast you just need the right setup...

 

[habitatguy187]

people that burn out in 2nd and 3rd must not have good tires... i mean buy some falkens or pirellis then you'll definitely get traction on the streets... unless ## pushing like 400++ horses... and as for the 1/4 mile buy some slicks and warm them up then you can launch like an awd... oh yeah add the 2 step ... fwd's are fast you just need the right setup...

There's a local (Mavisky on here) that has a great suspension setup with good tires (falken) that are like 245s or something ridiculous that still claims 3rd gear wheelspin.

Spinning in 2nd isn't very hard to achieve. My friend does it with his 16g and extremely stiff rear suspension. He also has decent tires but the name escapes me.


I do agree somewhat with what you say though, fwd isn't as bad as some people make it (if it's set up right) but the fact that you have to spend a lot of money just to get as much traction as a stock awd really sucks.

 

[gst707]

yes your right... fwd 4g63's do have to do alot to get traction... but i still like the fact of having slicks at the track and woop almost anything... upgraded with a 16g of course

i just love the top end that fwd's provide...

 

[Pirrofab]

Did any of those later upgrades include suspension mods? You'd think your mph would at least be higher after more upgrades.

Only suspension mods that were played with were from a beat stock suspension with 160k on it that wheel hopped real bad to a new factory replacement kyb suspesion with maybe 5k on them. wheel hop actually felt like it was worse with the new suspension. Tires were 225 kumho asx's with between 13-16 psi if I remember correctly. Launch was around 2500-3200. anything more then that it just roasted the tires. My mods on my original 14.1 at 101mph was a sbr stage 3 head, 16psi, fuel pump rewire. Im quite sure the exhaust wasn't even on the car then. I even had a turkey caller hooked up on the B.O.V. and it was vented, I know, I'm an idiot. (its my first turbo car and three years ago I just had to try it.) Everything else was stock and I didn't even bother doing a boost leak test on it. There should be a link in my profile to my myspace of my car running 14.2 @101. the 14.1 pass wasn't recorded.

My return trip to the track included all the parts that are now listed in my profile under the fwd

 

[DzMiniz]

Who is running solid mounts or inserts? I need to order some, just looking to see how bad they really vibrate. Suitable for a DD?