Wanting More N/T Power [Merged 9-18-09]

[dsmzoom]

N/T is Header>Cat>Catback. The "downpipe" that your thinking of is the header but our N/Ts contain two pieces to make up the header

 

[nfernotalon]

Quit F***** around and turbo it all that money you spent you could of been boostin by now

 

[dsmzoom]

in the long run depending on your goals youll be spending more money on aftermarket internals to run higher psi, you may want to just think about selling the n/t, buy a 4g63 and start with a turbo engine for the beginning. Though no one loves to sell their baby.

 

[jaday]

I have a 93 Eclipse N/T and i was wondering what kind of things i can do to make alot of horse power really easy.

Hey Mike, making " a lot of horsepower really easy" is somewhat of a contradiction. Now that you've gotten some of the basics out of the way, you're gonna have to fork up quite a bit of money to really start pushing that car. The power adders of turbos and nitrous are the main options for you, or rebuilding you engine. I agree with the above post, however... I know you like your car, but it'll be a lot cheaper and "easier" to trade your car out for a 4g63 if you're wanting even more power!

 

[15 sec gs]

Yeah I was concedering turboing and I most likely will nitrous is not one of my better options concidering i race at minimum twice a week so running spray that much would kill my car. As for turbos would it be better to start out with like a 16G and some 550....along with everything else needed or should i start with a 14b as some have told me
thanks mike

 

[Boost92awd]

Yeah I was concedering turboing and I most likely will nitrous is not one of my better options concidering i race at minimum twice a week so running spray that much would kill my car. As for turbos would it be better to start out with like a 16G and some 550....along with everything else needed or should i start with a 14b as some have told me
thanks mike

If money is not an option start with the 16g, you could even get away with some stock 450's from a turbo DSM. But it will probally be better to just start with a 14b as you wont beable to push anymore than 6-7 PSI. It will also be alot cheaper to just run a 14b with stock 450's. But if you really want to make power sell than car and buy a turbo dsm.

I was in the same position as you about a year ago had a N/T wanted to make it faster and finally relized that its not worth all the money sticking it into a N/T trying to make it fast. If you want to go fast buying a turbo dsm is the way to go.

 

[JayRolla]

If you keep detonation down and EGT's in order you could boost it pretty good. The compression is higher but thats just the fun part. Makes tuning harder but thats only when running just pump. Meth/water injection would really help with the turbo kit.

My mechanic is running a junkyard 2.4L Mitsubishi Expo N/T motor that had great compression. They are running a 57trim I believe and E85. They ran a 11.9 up here in the rockey mountain air. Motor has about 7000 miles since turbo and running great.

 

[57merc]

Im 16 and just getting my license me and my dad have been working on this thing for what seems like forever
to get it looking good!! ive helped my dad on drag cars for all my life but not that intuned with DSM"S
I bought a 1997 talon esi last year and i want to get more HP out of it!!
It Probably has between 150-160 hp
Heres what ive done to it

-stainless steel header and downpipe
-homemade ram air
-K&N filter
-took catylitic converter off

Just wondering what i should do first that dosent empty my wallet

 

[mindset]

Not much else besides boost it!

Tech Guide: 2G 420A Power Upgrades - DSMtuners

 

[57merc]

I bought a block to build a performance engine for later But Im leaning to
N/T

 

[mindset]

I bought a block to build a performance engine for later But Im leaning to
N/T

Well then click on the link above. There's not a lot you can do with N/T.

 

[57merc]

Thanks for the link that was helpful!! i been doing some reading that if i port the head
and throw a 60mm throttle body on it and some dif cams i might be able to get 200 HP out of it?

 

[mindset]

Thanks for the link that was helpful!! i been doing some reading that if i port the head
and throw a 60mm throttle body on it and some dif cams i might be able to get 200 HP out of it?

Maybe. You might want to find some of the N/T Wisemen and ask them. I'm no 420a specialist here, but there's plenty on here. Or go browse the forums and you'll find one. There's a way to view the list of mods and wisemen but I can't find the list right now...

 

[bullettdsm]

i been doing some reading that if i port the head
and throw a 60mm throttle body on it and some dif cams i might be able to get 200 HP out of it?

Nope.

But you can get her to scoot around pretty quick. You will need to get rid of that stock ECU. Either AFX ECU or MSnS.

MB

 

[mikelv]

I can tell you how to get more horsepower out of it.

Save all the damn money your going to dump into it over the next year and buy my GSX.

 

[Fotowntalon]

i hate all these 420a vs 4g63's replyies... PAUL WALKER USED A 420A!!!!!

Anyways, cams and bigger TB are a nice start, but make sure to get not only realistic goals of what your trying to hit, but also what are you using your talon for? You might want to be careful of how much air you have dumping into your engine (to big of a TB or to aggressive cams) if you want a daily driver. Not to mention the AFX ECU is nice, but you will need to use 93 octane.

My best suggestion is get a pen and paper/ scratch that, pencil and paper and think about your real goals and budget. From there make a list of parts you want to upgrade, research the parts for performance, quality, and price. After spending a day or two(maybe more) on the list make sure you stick to that list. It is one of the most un-fun things to do, but if you follow it you will save a TON of money on buying random crap you will either not use or be forced to upgrade later. Trust me, learned this one from experience.

 

[57merc]

thanks for the info!
do you have a estimate on a price for a ECU
and what do you think the max hp i could get out of it could be
and still be able to drive it around without blowing it up

 

[Diamondrev]

there is so much info in these forums. i learned so much from people on here. and the result... i have a built 420a motor.. just search and you will find everything you need to know. this topic has been covered over and over again. you can start by searching through bulletdsm's threads.. he also owns the only 420a that has made over 200hp all motor...

 

[bullettdsm]

thanks for the info!
do u have a estimate on a price for a ECU
and what do u think the max hp i could get out of it could be
and still be able to drive it around without blowing it up

Howell's ECU runs a little over $500. They used to have only the 97 MTX available but they are now claiming all of our years. Haven't seen that yet.

My fastest daily driver set-up (i.e. I could hop in it at any time and take it out for a 500 mile jaunt, comfortably - radio, heat , wipers etc - , without having to put anything special into it) was right around 170whp (as I recollect) and ran 13.9 in the quarter.

MB

 

[bmxunderground]

Ill be off all day from work and I'm spending it with my 420a babies in the garage. If you want to call me and ask some questions man I'm down.

There aren't any DSMers in my city, so I'm ready to conversate.

PM me for my # and maybe I can pass on some good info

 

[Fotowntalon]

My fastest daily driver set-up (i.e. I could hop in it at any time and take it out for a 500 mile jaunt, comfortably - radio, heat , wipers etc - , without having to put anything special into it) was right around 170whp (as I recollect) and ran 13.9 in the quarter.

MB

This is of course assuming you want to stay all motor, like i said, get realistic goals. It is possible to get a decently fast NA car for a daily driver, but if you want to be hitting 12's or 13's and are on a budget, you might want to consider forced air induction. As said before by a lotta people, there is a ton of info on these forums, dont be afraid to use the "search" button.

 

[57merc]

Yeah ive considered the turbo now after listening to u guys...
i kinda want to put one on....the only problem is how im going to pay for it
Maybe if i take up selling crack ill be able to get one on!!

 

[Kearney]

I just bought a 95 Eclipse, something like 191k miles on it, I paid about 1.1k for it.

It was well maintained, as I know the kid I bought it from.

Its a non-turbo variant 2g, and the little 420a is good but not enough for me.

I don't ever wanna go turbo[I like a little kick, but i'm not a speed demon, I prefer good handling over straight speed], so I just need some help with a few bolt on questions.

Are the Tsudo N1 Ebay Exhausts any good?

What would you suggest for an Ebay Air Intake?

How about Ebay headers?

Also, my car has no wing/spoiler/whatever, and I really like the wings that hug tight to the window on the Talon, will that thing fit on my Eclipse?

 

[95420A]

Just remember with ebay you usually get what you pay for. That being said sometimes you can find good deals on things. I personally have little experience with the Tsudo but when I was looking at getting my exhaust I youtubed it to see how it sounded and from the videos it was a little high pitched and "ricey". I for one don't want my car sounding like a pissed off bumble bee. What is your budget for the above parts? Knowing this will help people guide you in the right direction.

 

[Kearney]

About 800 bucks, in all likely hood Ill drop the idea of Headers if it gets too expensive.

I read from others on here that the Ebay stuff is just as good as say, brand name stuff, cause a pipe is a pipe, eh?