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Walbro F90000295

Posted by Bleakley, Jun 25, 2019

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  1. Bleakley

    Bleakley Proven Member

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    So Walbro / TI Automotive (and Aeromotive) has come out with a few new pumps since I’ve last looked. Well I was browsing and saving maps to my phone, and came across a Walbro “F90000295”

    The F90000285 is the 525 and is a badass pump. Well the 295 is even badder. Where can we find these pumps?? This thing flows 40-60 more Liters per Hour than a 525 or even an Aeromotive a1000 *@ 70-80psi.

    Also wanted to add —> It’s obvious I do not own ANY of these charts or ANY of this data. All credit goes to the pump manufacturer(s). Aeromotive for the A1000, Walbro / TI Automotive for the others. It appears there’s a little disclaimer regarding sharing some of the info regarding the 295? Lol. I’ll just link you to JUST the disclaimer I’m talking about.

    http://21h1yp1945ct18r0ws184hb2-wpe...p-content/uploads/2019/05/F90000295-flyer.pdf
     

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  2. Bleakley

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    Also note, if any of you plan on buying a Walbro 255 (which a lot of us have or are going to).
    They have an updated version that flows more for the same price.
    Part #’s F20000312 and F20000313... Both are 255 high pressure pumps.
     

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  3. 1990TSIAWDTALON

    1990TSIAWDTALON Moderator

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    I got the TI 285 pump since I am going to have nitrous for the converter and never seen the 295 while I was browsing.
    Interesting, as I just bought my Hellcat pump.
    The 285 is supposed to have a much better check valve and flow 8% more and up to 112 lbs, what else did it say about the 295?
    I am going to have to check into it now.....
    20190623_150539_resized Hellcat TI 285 pump.jpg

    https://www.foreinnovations.com/product_p/w-f90000285.htm

    I notice the 295 has no internal check valve. Looks sweet and I thought I had found the best....:ohdamn:
     
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  4. Boomdeeze

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    Wow that "F90000285" flows 9 more GPM at 80 PSI and 19 more GPM at 90 then the 450! The 450 supplies everything I need right now abut that is tempting.

    The "F90000295” flows 30 more GPM at 80 and 40 more at 90 PSi... WOW that is one beast of a pump.
     
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  5. Bleakley

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    Yeah. If you’re not running a parallel setup I don’t REALLY see the need for a check valve (though that’s not to say some might find it a NICE thing to have).
    Anyone running an Aeromotive A1000 Fuel Pressure Regulator is gonna have bleed down issues ANYWAY. If anyone has actually looked at how that thing seals internally will see right away it’s not something that was worried about. Lol.

    Idk what turbo you’re running Marty, but that 525 will get you FAR man. Should flow 1000/1050cc injectors and still have left over.
    If someone had 1300’s, the 295 would be a perfect match for those with plenty left over.
     

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  6. Vegas smith

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    I just installed a 525 "hellcat" and I'm surprised to see it's already obsolete.
     
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  7. jmeyers09

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    I was just on extreme psi's site and saw the 525, I was going to post up and see if anyone is running it but I guess so. I was looking at going to a 450 from my dual 255 set up since my pumps are almost 8 years old now. What's everyone's opinion on what pump to run, the 525, 450 or this 295?
     
  8. 1990TSIAWDTALON

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    If you can FIND the 295, it looks like a wonderful pump. I thought my 90000285 was the best around, so I bought it. Check Summit for their price before buying one. I think they were considerably lower than the vendor (which I like to support, but money is money) that I got mine from. Mine isn't installed yet, as the motor is JUST about ready to drop in, then I will replace my 255 with the 525 and let everyone know how I like it.
     

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    I've been running the 525 for a little bit. It's virtually the same pump as the 450...just flows a little more. No size or sound differences. Everything has been fine.
     

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  10. Bleakley

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    I’ve talked with Marty a little in the DM’s / PM’s.
    Is there anyway someone (some vendor) can look into this for us. Get this thing to market. I know ExtremePSI, MAperformance, etc. guys (and/or gals) float the forums here and there.
    Whole purpose of this thread was not only to raise awareness (If I didn’t know about something I’m sure there are others who didn’t know either, which is proving very true), but to also see if someone already knows who we are currently able to go to in order to purchase this for our cars.
    And if there’s no place selling these (and I want to say first idk what it takes to sell things / have no experience in that area), would it be possible to maybe try and start selling these. With our platform having so much depth in the racing industry I can not imagine people not wanting to purchase these.
     

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    I would bet that one/some of our Vendors are checking into it, very glad you brought it to light!
    Pissed I couldn't have gotten one for just a few more bucks probably......:idontknow: :ohdamn: :)
     

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    I'm kind of pissed I bought a back up 450 now when I could have just bought one of these..
     

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    I'm about to update my fuel lines and i wanted to change the fuel pumps too(tank&inline), so after i've seen this new pump on extremepsi I was set on getting one. I wanted to go with 295 but I'm wandering how bad is to have a fuel pump without check valve?
     

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    Yeah, that’s crazy. When I looked nobody had this fuel pump yet.
    F***ing awesome ExtremePSI has it and we know we’re getting a genuine product for a decent price.

    Answering your question @suspektu, Both the 525 and 295 are one and done pumps for the major majority of us.
    525 flows ID1050X’s w/ good margin of safety
    F90000295 flows ID1300’s w/ good margin of safety

    The no check valve def has the pros and cons. Idk if you know, and for others who may not know... the check valve only allows flow in one direction. When pump is on it’s pushing fuel to the rail. When pump is turned off, the pump is no longer pushing fuel. The fuel, under pressure, is going to start going to those areas of lower pressure (behind the pump and after the regulator). With a check valve the fluid is prevented from flowing back towards the pump. Again, being a one-way valve, it completely seals off / isolates the fluid from pushing back through the pump. Only place it can push against now is the regulator. If the regulator has a tight seal, that pressurized fluid will sit there at that pressure virtually indefinitely.
    This is where quick restarts / reduced emissions come in.

    My opinions on check valve vs no check valve... which others can feel free to weigh in on...
    (This is by no means an all-inclusive list)

    Pros of check valve:
    Quick restarts, reduced emissions, no raw fuel issues (regards to cylinder washdown, sensors, catalytic converters, and fuel/oil contamination -> worse with e85)
    Pros of NOT having a check valve:
    Good fuel system and good engine will have no issues starting quickly. The extra couple cranks IS nice for guaranteeing adequate oil pressure on startup.
     
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    @Bleakley nice reply :thumb:
    I like the flow of 295(535lph@40psi) vs 525/285(470lph@40psi). The difference in flow between 450 and 525/285 is 20lph, so i'm not sure it worth paying 40$ extra. On the other hand 295 vs 285 is only 10$ difference so if i would choose to go with new 525 pump i would go for 295 but for 600whp range i think walbro 450 will be the best option.
     

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    amsrn (@SasaniFab) was running out of pump @ ~650whp on the 450 on E.
    I would buy the 525 for a little more room. If it makes sense to you, at that point to go with the 295, then so be it.

    I think anyone looking at going 450 should probably just go 525 and call it a day (just like @1990TSIAWDTALON did).
    I like the 525 pump for a LOT of reasons. Fantastic piece of hardware at a great price man.
     

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