Vrpracing's 16g powered 1g auto 11.3 @ 118!

[danl]

Here is one of my 11.30 slips on evo 9 wheels and 235w tires.

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As you can see your car is 0.354 seconds "faster" in the 60, 0.267 seconds "faster" in the 330', 0.175, and I'm 0.005 seconds faster in the 1/4.

All the while my 1/8 MPH is 3.42 FASTER, 2.13 mph FASTER through the traps.

So as you can see the discrepency is in the 60' reading, most likely you got a head start on the clocks due to some debris. As the car goes down the track the advantage dies out as a true 11.30 car powers by you. Im carrying more speed the whole way down the track vs you and we have pretty much the same car, same gearing, only I'm lighter and make more power.

Furthermore I've bolted slicks to my car and it will not best a 1.5 sixtey. It just flat out does NOT have the power. I repeat a 118mph trapping car CAN NOT run a low 1.3 sixtey, just doesen't have the power to do so.

So again, sorry it did not run the time. Just trying to get the record straight becuase this is allready very out of control.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

It started to dawn on me after our last chat that you turn into a total child with even the most harmless question and thats why I stopped responding.

This has completely confirmed it.

I get the feeling that you are put on some pedestal by the people around you for making a little bit of power, and any time anyone so much as has a basic inquiry you go in to meltdown mode over how they are all "haters" or clueless. You are not unassailable, nor are you authoritative.

Get that ego in check, you are very much upper-middle of the pack here, more so if you are on the Link Forums and there is nothing special about your program or your build.

Duck, dodge and divert all you want but you know as much as the rest of us do that a 1.31 60' on street tires is not going to happen except for (even?) in a tin can.

Watching the video you can see him leave before the green bulb is lit @ 1:30

 

[kp116]

Didn't the cdub guys have a slip error that was pretty ridiculus?

By the way the NHRA rules for backing up a record, are you need at least one more pass within 1% of the good one, and it has to be the same day. So considering they had nothing else even close, it didn't happen. Happy Clocks, as they say.

.3 60' if I remember correctly! Lol. I'm pretty sure the et ending up being like a mid 7 second pass.

 

[1qkfwd]

Still didnt happen. I will put my mid 1.6 fwd against this car any day and they will go neck and neck. Wanna see a 1.3?? well My awd will leave you in the dust standing still.

If you watch the video again you will see that the lights dont turn off untill the rear tires cross the beams. There is obviously a delay since the beams are suppose to turn off as soon as the front tires leave the line. So the rear tires setting the timer then the front tires tripping the 60' marker will cause for a quicker 60' than expected.

Watch this close enough and you can see that the staging lights turn off as soon as the car launches then if you keep an eye on the lights you can see the rear tires trip the lights to.

Sgt. Rocks Laser FWD 16G DSM - 12.1 @ 122MPH - YouTube

 

[VRP]

Guys...My son and myself built this car in two weeks from the ashes of a several manuals we had... We are doing this for fun and enjoy the sportsmanship.... I will admit the time shocked me, but it felt real, and when I approched the promoter of Silver Dollar afterwards he said it was ligit..

I will try to duplicate this time or even better this Friday... right now all I can Say Is...... " Hankook-be one with your tires" ....

 

[danl]

Wow, I just watched the video on my full sized computer and that is bad. That is exactly where the 0.35 seconds came from. I've seen 1.3's and 1.4's in AWD's in person. My car cuts mid 1.5's now on street tires. I have many videos and many in car 1.5's, 1.6's and 1.7's. That launch was everything of a 1.7 flat on a good day.

The proof is in the video posted, the car had a 0.35 second head start. Its not even close. I don't need to be an eye witness, the call went to the instant replay judges and that pass is invalid, 20 yard penalty for being in denial about it.

 

[1qkfwd]

Guys...My son and myself built this car in two weeks from the ashes of a several manuals we had... We are doing this for fun and enjoy the sportsmanship.... I will admit the time shocked me, but it felt real, and when I approched the promoter of Silver Dollar afterwards he said it was ligit..

I will try to duplicate this time or even better this Friday... right now all I can Say Is...... " Hankook-be one with your tires" ....

Read what I wrote dude. The proof is right there. The front tires didnt even trip the beams like they was suppose to. Its not legit at all. If you inch past the staging lights and they will turn off. On this claim there was a good roll out and the lights didnt even turn off.

 

[VRP]

I thought that if you broke the beams...You Red Lighted......Did I red Light..?...
I dont know...Yall tell me..

 

[kp116]

Why is this still a debate? Not trying to be a dick but he didn't make history... It is a fluke, timing error whatever you want to call it. From the people who have been 1.3x including myself no offense but there is no way that car on those tires is going to pull those 60'. Look at the cars actually running those short times. All of them are on a full slick and are making a lot more torque off the line. I doubt a drag radial could even pull a 1.31.

 

[jmartinez1228]

Not for nothing just watched the vid just to see the arguement. 1080p full screen. If you fast forward to 1:28 you can see the lights pretty clear. Not arguing the time but I can definitely see that car moving well before the green light went on. Soon as the second countdown light turned on that car was already inching forward.

 

[1qkfwd]

I thought that if you broke the beams...You Red Lighted......Did I red Light..?...
I dont know...Yall tell me..

Im not sure if you know how the timing system works but its like this. You did leave before the light turned green which yes it shouldve thrown a red light.

You prestage then stage for both lights. The yellow count down starts, then as soon as the light turns green the reaction timer starts. When you launch the front tires leave the staging beams (breaking the beam) and the 0-60' timer starts. After the front tires cross the 60' timer the 60-330 timer starts and this continues down the track until you cross the last timer. The person at the tree then resets all the timers and it starts all over again. Now what I was saying is you did red light and the car continues forward and for some reason the timer didnt pick up the fact the car left the line early. So the back tires started the 0-60' timer and the front tires started the 60-330' timer. So the car had a head start.

 

[VRP]

NHRA approved track.... The Light was green ... C'mon.... Look at the Go Pro Footage close and in Slow Mo...

 

[1qkfwd]

NHRA approved track.... The Light was green ... C'mon.... Look at the Go Pro Footage close and in Slow Mo...

I sure hope your not serious. The car started to move forward on the second yellow. The light system goes 3 yellows then a green. NHRA or not they have issues. This stuff happens more than you can imagine.

 

[VRP]

I will try it again this Friday... Now I have had a week of tuning and fixed some issues.. Thanks

 

[SBstar]

Wow, I hadn't watched the whole video. There you go, proof in color. You would have to be blind to not see the car was moving before long before the green bulb lit.

What is sad, is that the car really is doing well, it's a good build. This puts a pretty bad mark on it and the people involved. Let it go, no records were set, go out there have fun and put on a show and go quicker then you have. There still has been no word on what the passes with the more realistic 1.8 60's ended up being. But I'd have to assume they're high 11's? MPH close to the same?

 

[1qkfwd]

Wow, I hadn't watched the whole video. There you go, proof in color. You would have to be blind to not see the car was moving before long before the green bulb lit.

What is sad, is that the car really is doing well, it's a good build. This puts a pretty bad mark on it and the people involved. Let it go, no records were set, go out there have fun and put on a show and go quicker then you have. There still has been no word on what the passes with the more realistic 1.8 60's ended up being. But I'd have to assume they're high 11's? MPH close to the same?

The car is great for whats done. And im sure itll go quicker. But the claim for 1.3 60' time is bogus and even in full color people are still blind to see that.

 

[DSM Chase]

Yes we ran multiple 118-120 traps, 11.8s-12.4s multiple times. Guess we will hit the track again this friday! But how did we not Red light this pass? We red Lighted at least twice that night due to the car pulling through the beams building boost. So the light was working?

 

[SBstar]

Just didnt work on that pass, stranger things have happened. All mechanical devices can and will fail at times. I'd bet that was a low 1.6 60' which is quite decent on street tires. Somewhere around a 11.6-11.7 pass.

 

[DSM Chase]

Wow, I hadn't watched the whole video. There you go, proof in color. You would have to be blind to not see the car was moving before long before the green bulb lit.

What is sad, is that the car really is doing well, it's a good build. This puts a pretty bad mark on it and the people involved. Let it go, no records were set, go out there have fun and put on a show and go quicker then you have. There still has been no word on what the passes with the more realistic 1.8 60's ended up being. But I'd have to assume they're high 11's? MPH close to the same?

Puts a bad mark on it and the people involved? We have gone to SDR several times and Have never seen an Inaccurate Timeslip. Please elaborate on how this makes us have a "bad Mark" We provided the timeslip and the video who knows, If SDR's Compulink Timing system malfunctioned so be it. Guess we will have to shoot some more videos of Realistic passes next time at the track, and scrutinize the timing system while we are at it.

 

[1qkfwd]

Yes we ran multiple 118-120 traps, 11.8s-12.4s multiple times. Guess we will hit the track again this friday! But how did we not Red light this pass? We red Lighted at least twice that night due to the car pulling through the beams building boost. So the light was working?

Technically you did red light. But like I made mention before, there was a glitch and it didnt get picked up by the timers.

holy **** very impressive 60' on that setup

It didnt really 60' time that.

 

[killercolt]

Craziness. Great run. Automatic represent for the dsm nation.

The timer apparently was not wrong because the best 60ft I got is 2.0x sec. If it was, why can I get that fluke to happen to me.

 

[1qkfwd]

Craziness. Great run. Automatic represent for the dsm nation.

The timer apparently was not wrong because the best 60ft I got is 2.0x sec.

oh boy. Read the previous post.

I tried to be nice but are you guys that believe this car cut a 1.3 60' really that stupid?????

I layed out the facts yet nobody sees it.

 

[killercolt]

There is something about how a small turbo produce power in 1st and 2nd that give people quick time without high mph. If the Dynojet place near you will allow you to do a simulated 1/4 mile run on the Dyno, you will see that some of the mid size and large size turbos will produce significantly less amount of power in 1st and 2nd than 3rd or 4th when graph with mph vs hp. Although 1st and 2nd feel quick/fast with less power, the truth is there is not that much power seen by the Dyno. This means less work being done by the car than you think or feel. This low power seen by the Dyno is the result of low load in first and second gear which them translate to the car not seeing full boost in these two gears.

When I had a turbonetic t72, I did not even build a lb of boost in first and second saw only 10 psi. The car was slow as crap. 3rd and 4th would hit 30psi and the car would haul ass then. Even with 2steps and car would fall out of boost once I hit 2nd. A lot of people Dyno in 4th because it is closest to the 1:1 ratio that the Dynojet suggests. Some people Dyno in 3rd and it gives similar power to 4th but not quit the same. The truth is a Dyno does not know what gear you are in. It just knows how quickly thr car is spinning the roller or how much the car is able to put on the strain sensor. The reading you get when dynoing in any gears is what is seen by the Dyno. This is power to the ground in real world situation. This is why you see turbo cars running sloppier times than cars with smaller turbos. Yeah you make big power in 3rd and 4th but your power in 1st and 2nd are crap because you are not building full boost in 3rd and 4th.

Just go to a Dynojet center and see for yourself. Do a first through 4th gears run and display it in hp/tq vs mph. You will get 4 hp/tq curves and be ready to catch you dropping jaws. An ideal turbo will give you the best average of the 4 curves. Look online and see that a lot of guys already know what I am talking about.

Automatic and a well match motor/turbo setup will do what I am talking sbout above.

 

[1qkfwd]

That huge explanation has nothing to do with the fact the car started the 1/4 mile timer with his rear tires and ended the 1/4 mile with his front tires. It's all posted above go through it thoroughly.

And there is no way in this earth his car with a 16g makes anywhere close to the power I was making in first gear. I was launching at 25lbs of boost on a GT40r at about 5800rpms. It took that and a full bias ply tire to cut 1.3s. I've played with 16gs and drag radials and it was a lot of work getting consistent mid 1.5s.

I'm telling you this car DID NOT legitimately cut a 1.3 60' time.

 

[viperlp01]

1.25 60ft
Amazing run by Devin Schultz in his 2g Talon "Red Demon" 8.27 @ 170.23 mph - YouTube

1.495 60ft
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=342pFbfvcXY&feature=youtu.be

1.30 60ft
Jeff Bush awd auto talon vs RRev supra - YouTube

1.39 60ft
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eABvidBFCMg

A couple of my favs

None of them leave as hard as you though.... jk.