The $500 bet

[AWD Eagle]

My friend has a 72' Monte Carlo with a decent 468 (roughly 550'' cam, 750cfm carb, edelbrock intake, ~8.5-1 comp., headers, and free flowing exhaust. The car will probably be a low 14 high 13sec car. From a stop, he beats me by around 3 car lengths when I hit 90mph, my average trap speed.

Anyways, he claims that if I invest $500 in my car, which is stock except for a clutch and free mods, he will still beat me. He said I can run race gas if he can run slics, I said deal.

I need your opinions on a cheap setup, on race gas, I don't care if I have to run an open downpipe, or whatever, it's only one race, nothing permanent.

Used parts are fine with me. I'm thinking 190lph, b/c, boost guage, maybe an afc?? I can either run 103 unleaded or 110 unleaded.

Thanks, and have fun with this, be creative

 

[honduraneclipse]

used gm maf with translator / boost controller /gauge/and 190lph ....thats it

 

[Gigaah]

I think you made a good bet. Yeah a boost gage and MBC will get you pretty far. drop the exhaust out for the race. injectors? AFC? I'm not sure really the best route for that money for the biggest bang.

 

[dustyb]

hook up a dry shot of nos and go to town, you may lose an engine, but hey, if its a 1g you can pick up another one pretty cheap =D

 

[SpeedFreak03]

hook up a dry shot of nos and go to town, you may lose an engine, but hey, if its a 1g you can pick up another one pretty cheap =D

Nah buddy no dry shot, your just ASKING to lose an engine . But good suggestion, nitrous is a fine idea! Otherwise honduraneclipse's suggestions are probably a good bet.

One more thing tho dustyb, whats it being a 1G have to do with engine cost, it's the same engine for 1G and 2G turbo (well 92.5-99 is a 7 bolt but still a 4G63)

 

[David15151]

Boost Guage
Boost Control
Intake
Fuel Pump
used ported 2g manifold (from t3/t4 upgraders)
port your turbo inlet
port the 02 housing
disconnect the downpipe back
get a flapper to reduce creep
used UIC pipes (from FMIC upgraders)

 

[AWD Eagle]

Thanks for the input.

What amount of boost should I run, and with what gas? I don't want to blow up my motor to beat him though.

Thanks

 

[David15151]

use race gas and i would run whatever you can without hitting fuel cut. try about 14 then if no cut try 16 and then 18.. though i doubt you wont be hitting cut by then. Use high octane to prevent knock.

 

[Ybnorml]

I was boosting around 14 and I had to leave the line about 3 grand. If you don't play with tire pressure you may wind up spinning yourself to a losing race. But damn that car pulled good like that. I had a Mustang call me out when I first got my car and he only had me by 1/2 a car or less when I started pulling on him in third. He missed 3rd and needless to say he was pissed.

Get lots of boost and see how good you can hook up.

 

[BigAirSkier1580]

I'm running low 14s with my Talon TSi AWD

Cyclone Intake Manifold, hacked airbox, MBC @ 16psi, atmosphere o2 dump, and a hole in the flexpipe on my downpipe.

Not sure if you can do all that for under $500, but I think you can easily win this bet still though.

 

[uh-oh]

if you really wanna know how to run hard on a slightly modded setup pm me on im me on stricklyhatchez on aim

 

[JiveMasterT]

take off your exhaust, up your boost, run race gas. you could even add some toluene to the race gas to up the octane even farther. just be careful you dont blow up your stuff. if it was $1000, you could really own this thing, but with only $500 id say you might have a close race.

what mods do you have already?

edit...
nvm about the mods... just read your original post again... my bad...

 

[FourG63GST]

3000gt vr4 fuel pump -40
used boost gauge -50
borrow a manual boost controller -45
port out your o2 housing and take off the downpipe back -30
k&n filter -40
homedeopt intake pipe-20
find a hard upic pipe if you can-??

you can probably find better deals if you get some of that stuff used.

do as much weight reduction as you can...seats, panels etc.

if u use race gas, just up the boost as much as you can without turning it into a hairdryer or until you start knocking. you can probably get away with 18-20 psi.

should be able to run a high 13 low 14 with that i think.

 

[Thomas91169]

youre gonna need more than 500 to beat him if you give him even with race gas.

thats one of them big V8 guys that i see at the track whose cams are lopey as hell and they light them up for days while staging, and roar the whole way down the track. youre gonna lose. i have no doubdt in my mind, even with maybe 1000 invested in some decent mods, give him slicks and he will outlaunch you even being awd. sorry but no.

go save some money, get a 16g, injectors, tuning apparatus of youre choice, fuel pump and you might impress him.

 

[Ryans99OZ]

i agree^^^^...i bet ya that guy will run 12's easy

 

[JiveMasterT]

whoa, wait a second.... i didnt realize this dude was rocking a chevy rat! you are going to get owned by this thing. you are going to need closer to $1000-$1500 to be able to beat this thing. that car is a lot faster than you think. my friend's bone stock TA runs 13.3... a bigger motor on slicks?! that thing is into the 12s no question. unless your friend is a garbage driver, you are going to get destroyed.

 

[AWD Eagle]

Umm, I disagree with you who say I will lose. His cam is not that big. It's .550 intake and exhaust, not that big for a big block. The car doesn't have that bad of traction problems as it is. A 72' Monte Carlo is a huge boat. I know I will beat him with race gas and more boost, he only beats me by 2.5-3 carlengths now. I've got an ACT 2100 and thats all. If I run 18psi, no exhaust, do some port work, and put a fuel pump on, I'll out run him, I just need some help with the specifics.

He also brought up a point to me, He'd be willing to raise my mods to $1500 if I let him put a new rear end in first. This would probably put him at a low 13 or 13 flat.

The specifics on his car are as follows: 468 Big Block, approximately 8.5 to 1 comp. .550 int &exh lift on cam, Edelbrock 750 carb, Performer 2.0 Intake Manifold, stock heads, 2" primary headers to 3" dual exhaust to Flowmaster 40's that dump right before the axle.

2800 stall, TH400 tranny, and a stock rear end (3.08 that spins both tires)

I can take him, I just need some of you geniuses to help dial me in.

 

[NitrousBob]

If he gets a good launch your done... good luck .. if he gets a better rear end your really done if he doesn't lose traction. I got a 71 chevelle that runs 11's on pump gas with a small block.

 

[4g63awdtalon]

if you have 1500 to spend this is what you need

mbc (new)
uicp (used)
2g mas (used)
fuel pump (190 lph so you dont overrun you reg.)
2g ported manifold (port the shit out of it)
16g (small is the most efficent besides evo but small is the cheapest to get)
afc (regular one will work, used)
550s (rx-7 550s will work)
boost gauge
data logger

you should have a high 12 sec car with this if you port everything and set you mbc at 18-20 psi with even a rough tune....learn how to launch and you should be good....any money left over after that i would suggest some sort of exhaust followed by some compessed air to spray on you ic....lots of race gas

 

[96whgsx]

Is it ok if you BORROW items?
Doesn't cost anything.

 

[AWD Eagle]

Yes, considering he is borrowing the slics. I don't know what I could borrow though, not alot of DSM'ers in my area.

 

[Jason99DSM]

you have $1500 laying around?

 

[95itchypsy]

dude....you say he has a high lift cam...well the duration of this cam must be high also so if you give him the taller gear he is gonna get into revs that much quicker. if you wanna get him you better be willin to spend more than 500. ever hear "there's no replacement for displacement" ? sorry to tell ya but it's true. i'll bet he has more than 500 invested in his. i.e. the cam was that much. not to mention the tranny...clutch...rear end....motor work...it may be a boat but thats what it's all about....sleeper. spent alot of years runnin big block a body chevys and chryslers so you better be ready for the bite of the "RAT"

 

[96whgsx]

Also, consider weight reduction. No back or passenger seats and the other obvious. Every bit counts in this situation.

 

[leakyfaucet]

if you give him the taller gear he is gonna get into revs that much quicker.

i'll bet he has more than 500 invested in his. i.e. the cam was that much.

I think you mean shorter gears. And anyone that spends $500 on a cam needs to be shot.