500hp for 500$

[yeti-gvr4]

Is this pssible with a big 16g

What size injectors,
fuel pump
And would an ecm link be good for the job? Or could I get something smaller

Just wandering if that goal is possible off a 16g with 500$

 

[JasonStern]

I've never seen this written in stone anywhere. You can run 1000s if you choose on a safc.

possibly, but it would be really, really difficult, especially if he's using this car as a "grocery getter". think about idle. the injector duty cycle is only a few percent, but the injectors are injecting 222% of the expected fuel. you can't just use the S-AFC2 to cut the air flow to 45% of idle - the ecu won't have maps for that and think something is way wrong. thus your options are going to be to idle at ~2k RPM (not a real choice for a "grocery getter") or significantly lower the fuel pressure at idle to compensate. so while it might be possible, I wouldn't recommend going this route to someone with zero tuning experience...

New clutch + new tranny (wtf would I do to the tranny to make it better, ill attempt to rebuild one.)-

weld the differential. replace the 1-2 fork and 3-4 fork, synchro springs and rings, all seals, bearings, roll pins, etc. budget option would be to source an evo iii transmission and use its parts when possible (gears, input shaft, etc.). if you have the money left in your budget, hit up shep racing and buy new upgraded parts from them.

 

[yeti-gvr4]

possibly, but it would be really, really difficult, especially if he's using this car as a "grocery getter". think about idle. the injector duty cycle is only a few percent, but the injectors are injecting 222% of the expected fuel. you can't just use the S-AFC2 to cut the air flow to 45% of idle - the ecu won't have maps for that and think something is way wrong. thus your options are going to be to idle at ~2k RPM (not a real choice for a "grocery getter") or significantly lower the fuel pressure at idle to compensate. so while it might be possible, I wouldn't recommend going this route to someone with zero tuning experience...



weld the differential. replace the 1-2 fork and 3-4 fork, synchro springs and rings, all seals, bearings, roll pins, etc. budget option would be to source an evo iii transmission and use its parts when possible (gears, input shaft, etc.). if you have the money left in your budget, hit up shep racing and buy new upgraded parts from them.

what bout double sychros is it worth it?

and thanks again to everyone with good advice...if i dont reach 500hp il still be happy because il have 1500 in my car while another vehicle put double money to match the outcome

 

[AlaskanDsm]

One other thing for everyone to remember, He only wants to do this one time. Then he will reduce the number of buget and used pieces for daily driving to make it more reliable. At least this was what he stated in an earlier post.

 

[richard33]

what bout double sychros is it worth it?

and thanks again to everyone with good advice...if i dont reach 500hp il still be happy because il have 1500 in my car while another vehicle put double money to match the outcome

This kind of thinking is retarded. There is a right way to do things and then there is your way of cutting corners just so you can make one dyno pull. You already spent more than that if you with the other mods you have so its not really 500whp for 500$. I make over 500whp and it cost me 10k+. You wanna know the difference? I can drive 40 miles to the track, make as many passes as I want, drive 40 miles home, and not worry about my car falling apart.

If you try to use cheap, shitty parts they are going to fail ending up costing you more in the long run. You want to use an AFC to make 500whp? good luck.

 

[ExpresS]

Some people spend hard earned money & time to make these cars SOLID and EFFICIENT. I can guarantee your driving matches your twisted thought process of building a 500hp car. Your license should be provoked.

 

[rlacasse1]

Sell safc 2 for 100 or 150 if possible and buy this ecu+ that's for sale (silverbox)
And why don't you take into consideration I said this build wasn't going to happen and if it did it would be for one dyno pull.since a lot of people think you need brand name top dollar new parts to make a good build --I will be finding out 1st hand now as I will attempt.............and please realize this build will be for one dyno pull then revised down a lot for driving purposes..........And is it that the parts are from recognizable vendors that makes the build good or "reliable"
Or is it the numbers it puts up or is it how much abuse it can take.

Vendors get popular because certain people use them in there build and everyone else wants their build to be just as good. Or as strongg so the particular vendor becomes well known for the part being mass produced in the same way they make the one that's 500$ less

I understand you want to prove that you can hit 500hp on a budget. But I just want to say one thing. Building an engine that can manage one dyno pull does not mean you built a "good" engine. To me it means you got lucky. To build a good engine, you want to build an engine that will hit that mark consistently, time after time, without any major failures. In all honesty, if you hit the mark, then tune it down for normal use I doubt many people will consider it a reliable 500hp engine. I know I won't.

But, good luck. You definately don't have to drop thousands of dollars, like some people believe, to build a good, reliable, and powerful engine. It can be done on a budget.

Don't take this as me bashing on you.

 

[dsm-onster]

Some people spend hard earned money & time to make these cars SOLID and EFFICIENT. I can guarantee your driving matches your twisted thought process of building a 500hp car. Your license should be provoked.

We don't want to provoke his license




Ultimately listen to Richard!!!!! He's run 10s with a more affordable FWD and a bottem basement hx35 turbo.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

Here is an idea of price straight from The Master of Budget DSM builds, Joe B. (Keep in mind that this ET, not just dyno)

Speaking of budget, I believe my breakdown was...

11's for $1800 & 10's for $5500.

9's for $12,000... (including a 16g...)

 

[dsm-onster]

Speaking of budget, I believe my breakdown was...

11's for $1800 & 10's for $5500.

9's for $12,000... (including a 16g...that you trade)

Let's do it! FL 14b crew! ha!

Shane, let's get to work man! Stop messing around! Also, I know all about Hairy Glass. That was in the plans... Maybe next time.

Included some typing that will make it budget. It's cheaper to get a bigger turbo into the 10s and certainly 9s vs. building up, up, UP for the tiny 16g no 10 second 16g cars are out there without intake manifold upgrades, high compression pistons, and more. . . well, considering relatively streetable T/E/Ls, those that have trunk pans and such

 

[ShadowRS99]

Sorry man but 500hp 0n $500 is just not going to happen, $500 might get you 80 if spent right... haha

 

[yeti-gvr4]

This kind of thinking is retarded. There is a right way to do things and then there is your way of cutting corners just so you can make one dyno pull. You already spent more than that if you with the other mods you have so its not really 500whp for 500$. I make over 500whp and it cost me 10k+. You wanna know the difference? I can drive 40 miles to the track, make as many passes as I want, drive 40 miles home, and not worry about my car falling apart.

If you try to use cheap, shitty parts they are going to fail ending up costing you more in the long run. You want to use an AFC to make 500whp? good luck.

Will try to resist insulting you

You used 10k in your build
Just imagine what would be done if I made a 10k budget build and no I'm not cutting any corners at all I'm not using parts that are not as good as new condition if not used some
And what I meant was if I put 1500 into a 500hp build imagine what kind of shopping I could do with 3000$

 

[91stocker]

Will try to resist insulting you

You used 10k in your build
Just imagine what would be done if I made a 10k budget build and no I'm not cutting any corners at all I'm not using parts that are not as good as new condition if not used some
And what I meant was if I put 1500 into a 500hp build imagine what kind of shopping I could do with 3000$

You really should be taking what he says to heart. He has done what your trying to do now, yet your trying to tell him how to do it better even though you havent done it yourself yet?? Come on man...

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

You really should be taking what he says to heart. He has done what your trying to do now, yet your trying to tell him how to do it better even though you havent done it yourself yet?? Come on man...

Well said!

 

[JDT]

Well said!

Indeed.

 

[wkmitsu]

Will try to resist insulting you

You used 10k in your build
Just imagine what would be done if I made a 10k budget build and no I'm not cutting any corners at all I'm not using parts that are not as good as new condition if not used some
And what I meant was if I put 1500 into a 500hp build imagine what kind of shopping I could do with 3000$

You should probably listen to him. Seriously, wow. Yeah I bet you would have the fastest DSM in the world with $10 grand to put into a build...

I'm thinking that you just have no idea what you're getting yourself into or what you're talking about and coincidentally are the most stubborn person ever. I've seriously seen DSMs with $2000+ of parts put into them that can hardly take down a well maintained stock DSM. Do you know what the difference in those cars was? The owners. If the right parts aren't used together, the parts are unproven (i.e. worn or cheap), and the whole car just isn't set up right, then it isn't going to go fast.

I think you are totally underestimating the amount that proper tuning comes into play when you have these kind of power goals. Making 500 whp, even for just one dyno pull, takes a little more finesse than making say...250 - 300 whp.

I really want to know the secret places you plan to pull these parts from for so cheap. And don't say from bartering with other people, because it will be 2025 before you make a dyno pull going at that rate, unless you want to quit your day job in order to have time to find parts for that cheap.

 

[richard33]

Will try to resist insulting you

You used 10k in your build
Just imagine what would be done if I made a 10k budget build and no I'm not cutting any corners at all I'm not using parts that are not as good as new condition if not used some
And what I meant was if I put 1500 into a 500hp build imagine what kind of shopping I could do with 3000$

you live in a fantasy world. With your budget build your car would be broken every other week. I could have spent less and bought used parts but then I wouldn't have the reliability I do. The one ebay part I have was an exhaust manifold which cracked like 5 times. I got a SLS now so no more cheap parts.

There is no point arguing cause this will never happen.

 

[BigBeans]

There is no point arguing cause this will never happen.

This.

I spent $500 on my car yesterday. You know what i got? A head gasket and studs (HKS 1.6mm Stopper and L19s).

I've run 30+psi on a street car, and trust me, it takes A LOT of $ to do it with any degree of reliability.

When you're buying real parts $500 buys you a small piece of the puzzle.

 

[yeti-gvr4]

Think what you want plenty of people build on a budget and don't have to have their whole check go into their dsm you spent 10000 you don't think going over the list you could of lowered that.and why not say bartering with people its not like dsms are rare their parts are every where

Trust me this whole build will be documented with receipts and videos

So if you don't belive me please don't post to degrade me on how you think its not possible

This.

I spent $500 on my car yesterday. You know what i got? A head gasket and studs (HKS 1.6mm Stopper and L19s).

I've run 30+psi on a street car, and trust me, it takes A LOT of $ to do it with any degree of reliability.

When you're buying real parts $500 buys you a small piece of the puzzle.

And didn't you already say you were gonna gtfo?!?

 

[gstballa 42]

how much experience do you have building motors/ tuning? if none then i hope your ready for hefty labor fees or someone willing to do it for free

 

[dsm-onster]

That alone will put him over budget if all he does is purchase used cams and trades a 16g +cash for a bigger turbo.

Think what you want plenty of people build on a budget and don't have to have their whole check go into their dsm you spent 10000 you don't think going over the list you could of lowered that.and why not say bartering with people its not like dsms are rare their parts are every where

Trust me this whole build will be documented with receipts and videos

So if you don't belive me please don't post to degrade me on how you think its not possible



And didn't you already say you were gonna gtfo?!?

I suggest you simply start uploading pics of receipts and parts. . . Actually start a blog concerning this. Saying any more will further the negative replies. . . If you believe it, then go out and do it. I wouldn't start a thread asking 'Can I do this with a 16g?' You're going to actually get opinions from guys who've been there. You need cams, a viable tuning solution, larger turbo, exhaust modifications for larger turbo, better charge cooling with those 750s, or larger injectors to convert to e85 and a much better tuning solution with the same charge cooler (where's the ecu+ you said you were going to order? paypal or whatever used receipt?). <==Deal with all of that and start a blog and go on. You're getting replies you don't like from folks who've actually built these cars. Even running used ebay parts, you're going to go over that budget. No one gives parts that work away. But they WILL give you a little of their time and experienced advice for free. I wouldn't suggest spitting on free advice from those who've actually achieved your goal, if you're budget is that tight.

 

[1Bad4G63T]

*Walks in, laughs, walks out.*

^ +1

 

[SpawnedX]

Why is this post still going? Let this guy blow his crap up and come back with his tail between his legs and realize he needs us more than we need him...just like all the other clowns who make these posts.

 

[yeti-gvr4]

That alone will put him over budget if all he does is purchase used cams and trades a 16g +cash for a bigger turbo.

I suggest you simply start uploading pics of receipts and parts. . . Actually start a blog concerning this. Saying any more will further the negative replies. . . If you believe it, then go out and do it. I wouldn't start a thread asking 'Can I do this with a 16g?' You're going to actually get opinions from guys who've been there. You need cams, a viable tuning solution, larger turbo, exhaust modifications for larger turbo, better charge cooling with those 750s, or larger injectors to convert to e85 and a much better tuning solution with the same charge cooler (where's the ecu+ you said you were going to order? paypal or whatever used receipt?). <==Deal with all of that and start a blog and go on. You're getting replies you don't like from folks who've actually built these cars. Even running used ebay parts, you're going to go over that budget. No one gives parts that work away. But they WILL give you a little of their time and experienced advice for free. I wouldn't suggest spitting on free advice from those who've actually achieved your goal, if you're budget is that tight.

Ok guy don't hate. And yes receipts will come I'll send them to your house.

The new thread/blog. Will. Begin

 

[richard33]

Lol even if you spent another 500$ and made 500whp it still wouldn't be 500hp for 500$. What about the built motor and other mods you have? Those don't count?

 

[2GFWDbeast]

You know what just get a 300 shot of nitrous and get 1 dyno pull of 500hp just to say you did it for 500 bucks, and then say good bye to the motor