500hp for 500$

[yeti-gvr4]

Is this pssible with a big 16g

What size injectors,
fuel pump
And would an ecm link be good for the job? Or could I get something smaller

Just wandering if that goal is possible off a 16g with 500$

 

[jed344]

It is possible but would take alot to do. IF you want 500hp its easier done with bigger turbo. You would need e85 bigger injectors and every supporting mod with a agressive tune with lots of boost ima say..

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

You could. Youd have to steal some shit. But anything is possible.

 

[spawn87]

You could. Youd have to steal some shit. But anything is possible.

and so the DSM bandit was borne

 

[b00st3d4g63]

Cheap, Fast and Reliable... Pick 2 of the 3...

Who decides what cheap is though? I mean a rich person gets a dsm puts 20k into it makes 600 hp and they would probably consider that being cheap and fast. A Shelby gt 500 is 60k ish so I mean for more hp and less than half the price that's cheap.

 

[1GRedRocket]

Its obviously he picked fast and cheap..

haha

 

[SpawnedX]

Instead of being a dick bag.. Maybe help someone out?

It's impossible to help someone do the impossible, genius. Did you miss where he said with a 16G?

 

[yeti-gvr4]

Obviously I did pick fast and cheap as it would be for one dyno pull. But its not like this is going to happen maybe when I do get 1000 to put into my car for fun but as of right now that's a no.

Would this goal be more reasonable if I had the same set up I have + a 20g
Or is a even bigger one needed for that much hp

 

[SpawnedX]

Obviously I did pick fast and cheap as it would be for one dyno pull. But its not like this is going to happen maybe when I do get 1000 to put into my car for fun but as of right now that's a no.

Would this goal be more reasonable if I had the same set up I have + a 20g
Or is a even bigger one needed for that much hp

With every possible supporting modon e85 and with a little luck...it may be possible.

 

[richard33]

no it will be impossible for YOU to make 500whp. You already want to cut corners and go cheap on everything. These kinds of threads are retarded and should be locked. I understand its the newbie forum but does it have to be a free for all of dumb questions? Whatever happened to don't ask how to runs 10s when you haven't run 12s? This is similar...

 

[Absit]

Well, did you guys report the thread? I did, nothing yet..

 

[turbo tim1]

No, you will need NOS, 2 of the big bottles.


On a serious note, check out the upgrade path, and somewhere on here you can see people's setups and how much HP they make off them.

"Amateurs don't use nitrous oxide you got a heavy foot I seen the way you drive"

But seriously I have thought about this too, I know 1g dsms have very strong bottom ends and I wana try it to see if it can be done. I am thinking of a 2 stage 300 shot zex kit, arp head studs and a water meth kit, I think she can take it.

If it blow it blows I have enough parts kicking around to build another engine.
Oh ya I forgot you would also need a clutch to hold the power.

 

[yeti-gvr4]

What's a stage two clutch good untill

And has everyone not seen me posting that I will not be actually attempting this RIGHT NOW just want to get my facts straight on how this would be attempted by a highly expierenced enthusiast?

But it was said it could be done with 650$ and said it could be done with a few grand.

So I'm geussing about 1500 to produce 500hp on a 20g I got it straight starting from a 16g just isn't possible without enough funds.

I'm not attempting to make a dyno pull onmy gvr4 in the near future what so ever

More of just trying to make a pricelist for the future
For good shopping now incase very good deals pop up and should be boughten

 

[Absit]

damm why report it ??? seriously??? it bothered you that much if you dont like the question why even come back to the same thread then????
noobs!!!!

Because the rules say to.

Kid, if you want to make a budget, make a budget, but be prepared to spend five to ten grand to do it right. And don't ask about staged parts, staged parts are for people that don't know what parts actually do, but they can count (barely) upward.

 

[turbo tim1]

What's a stage two clutch good untill

And has everyone not seen me posting that I will not be actually attempting this RIGHT NOW just want to get my facts straight on how this would be attempted by a highly expierenced enthusiast?

But it was said it could be done with 650$ and said it could be done with a few grand.

So I'm geussing about 1500 to produce 500hp on a 20g I got it straight starting from a 16g just isn't possible without enough funds.

I'm not attempting to make a dyno pull onmy gvr4 in the near future what so ever

More of just trying to make a pricelist for the future
For good shopping now incase very good deals pop up and should be boughten

Sorry I did see your post, I was just making a statement not answering any questions.

when I said a 2 stage zex kit, I meant a 2 step nitrous kit, which means if I had a 300 shot of nitrous, step one would be 150 shot and step 2 the other 150 shot.

If you did it all at once you would inevitably break something.

I have made big power with these cars and it takes alot of money time and patience, one part at a time in the right order.

 

[dsm03]

What's a stage two clutch good untill

And has everyone not seen me posting that I will not be actually attempting this RIGHT NOW just want to get my facts straight on how this would be attempted by a highly expierenced enthusiast?

But it was said it could be done with 650$ and said it could be done with a few grand.

So I'm geussing about 1500 to produce 500hp on a 20g I got it straight starting from a 16g just isn't possible without enough funds.

I'm not attempting to make a dyno pull onmy gvr4 in the near future what so ever

More of just trying to make a pricelist for the future
For good shopping now incase very good deals pop up and should be boughten

you'll need more money than that for this goal, and some good hands with a wrench, otherwise you are stretching for the stars.

GT35R Turbo
255LPH Fuel Pump Rewired
Injectors-minimum 650s-680s
Full Exhaust 3"
MBC
Tuning Device
Stage 2 Clutch kit and Flywheel
Upgraded Internals
Suspension(A must need to secure that power down)
FMIC


There is probably a few more things that can be added to that list, thats the majority of it. Now go get priced out on all those parts and come back and tell all of us how much you will need for your "500whp" Goal.

 

[turbo tim1]

you'll need more money than that for this goal, and some good hands with a wrench, otherwise you are stretching for the stars.

GT35R Turbo
255LPH Fuel Pump Rewired
Injectors-minimum 650s-680s
Full Exhaust 3"
MBC
Tuning Device
Stage 2 Clutch kit and Flywheel
Upgraded Internals
Suspension(A must need to secure that power down)
FMIC


There is probably a few more things that can be added to that list, thats the majority of it. Now go get priced out on all those parts and come back and tell all of us how much you will need for your "500whp" Goal.

My car had dual 255's one wasn't enough and I had 850 cc injectors. on top of what you mentioned.
I also went with a spec stag 3 plus clutch.
you forgot the ported head and cams.
arp head studs and upgraded gasket or o ringed block.

 

[Imback]

My car had dual 255's one wasn't enough and I had 850 cc injectors. on top of what you mentioned.
I also went with a spec stag 3 plus clutch.
you forgot the ported head and cams.
arp head studs and upgraded gasket or o ringed block.

One 255 wasn't enough for what?

 

[VETTE_50_TH]

Obviously all he needs is a cummins turbo off a bus and some huge injectors and a fuel pump stolen from a supra turbo and a ecu from an evo. Boom. 9 second car.

 

[Lavery]

The most hp on a 16g according to the Dyno Challenge is 451.7whp. The guys profile mentioned nothing about Nitrous Oxide, so 500hp on a 16g seems possible. I think the OP meant that the cost of a 16g is around $500 and wanted to know if he could get to 500hp on that. Im sure he wasn't including the cost of the supporting mods.

 

[yoshi_tony]

The most hp on a 16g according to the Dyno Challenge is 451.7whp. The guys profile mentioned nothing about Nitrous Oxide, so 500hp on a 16g seems possible. I think the OP meant that the cost of a 16g is around $500 and wanted to know if he could get to 500hp on that. Im sure he wasn't including the cost of the supporting mods.

i believe theirs a link in page 1 where their doing 499whp on a 16g

post #15

 

[turbo tim1]

One 255 wasn't enough for what?

For the setup I had. I was running a 60 trim dual ball bearing turbo to 35 psi with every thing done I am not going to give you the list because here because it is loongg, I don't know how much power it was making cause it never seen a dyno. It was tuned with aem ecu and a wide band on back roads.

I assume it was around 500 whp because I could destroy c6 vettes, srt10 viper's, gt2 porche and an r6.

 

[wkmitsu]

My car had dual 255's one wasn't enough and I had 850 cc injectors. on top of what you mentioned.
I also went with a spec stag 3 plus clutch.
you forgot the ported head and cams.
arp head studs and upgraded gasket or o ringed block.

I think you would hit the limit of those 850s before the single 255.

 

[turbo tim1]

I think you would hit the limit of those 850s before the single 255.

I kinda did actually, the injectors were almost maxed out on the map but when I added another fuel pump, I had to turn down my fp regulator and pull 35% of the fuel out of the map, which led me to believe I had a lack of fuel volume or and pressure at that hp level.

 

[Imback]

For the setup I had. I was running a 60 trim dual ball bearing turbo to 35 psi with every thing done I am not going to give you the list because here because it is loongg, I don't know how much power it was making cause it never seen a dyno. It was tuned with aem ecu and a wide band on back roads.

I assume it was around 500 whp because I could destroy c6 vettes, srt10 viper's, gt2 porche and an r6.

So you were at the limit of a single walbro. On pump gas i would assume since 850's are to small to run e85. I'm sorry but am going to have to call BS. My single walbro is enough for 5 on e85.

 

[wkmitsu]

I kinda did actually, the injectors were almost maxed out on the map but when I added another fuel pump, I had to turn down my fp regulator and pull 35% of the fuel out of the map, which led me to believe I had a lack of fuel volume or and pressure at that hp level.

Here is my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong...

255 L/Hr*1000cc/1L*1Hr/60min = 4250cc/min

850cc/min*4 = 3400cc/min

So your pump can move 4250 cc/min whereas all your injectors combined can only move 3400 cc/min, therefore the injectors are the limiting factor in that setup. If you weren't getting enough fuel I don't understand why you wouldn't have upgraded injectors first.