The $500 bet

[AWD Eagle]

My friend has a 72' Monte Carlo with a decent 468 (roughly 550'' cam, 750cfm carb, edelbrock intake, ~8.5-1 comp., headers, and free flowing exhaust. The car will probably be a low 14 high 13sec car. From a stop, he beats me by around 3 car lengths when I hit 90mph, my average trap speed.

Anyways, he claims that if I invest $500 in my car, which is stock except for a clutch and free mods, he will still beat me. He said I can run race gas if he can run slics, I said deal.

I need your opinions on a cheap setup, on race gas, I don't care if I have to run an open downpipe, or whatever, it's only one race, nothing permanent.

Used parts are fine with me. I'm thinking 190lph, b/c, boost guage, maybe an afc?? I can either run 103 unleaded or 110 unleaded.

Thanks, and have fun with this, be creative

 

[igorsgonemadd]

I have 64 chevelle wagon with a big block same thing as a matter of fact a 468 has roller cam 588 lift, about 9 and a half to one compression stock heads with a little port work, victor junoir intake 850 cfm demon and a 3:73 posi. On slicks I run 11.20's and that is a wagon that weighs 4300 lbs and no nitrous. If I am racing street tires, i would not even begin to stomp on the gas. I definately have to baby it off the line. On street tires it runs 12.30's so there is over a second difference on slicks. I am going to say he will run very low 12's judging from what you said his set up is. And if his cam has 550 lift then that is a pretty good size cam. Im not trying to discourage you but for 500.00 its just not possible even for 1500.00 i say your pushing it. Chances are if he offered you 1500 if you let him put a rearend under it, he is probably got a stock ten bolt that he is worried about breaking. Let him get a 12 bolt under there with some steeper gears and your going to be in even more trouble. Dont get me wrong i love these cars and they have amazed me but the money has to be there for 4 pistons to compeet with 8 especially when those 8 are in a healthy big block. I just wouldnt take that bet unless you have 500.00 and its worth it to you to find out if you can take him. But i think you may be dissapointed in the answer.

 

[EvolvingGST]

I disagree with anyone who said he can beat him with 500 unless he devotes all of it into a nitrous system or maybe rig a propane system in. But kiss your block good bye...

You know why you lost? because you lost the only thing that you had him on... Traction. If you had like 2k you could beat him easy, even if he had slicks... If you had 1500 you might win... But 500 and slicks... kiss your ass goodbye. Save your money get a 20G and supporting mods and then become untouchable and you wont spend money on him and your car will be faster than his, even with his slicks on.

 

[Mooley]

Anyone that spends $500 on a cam needs to be shot.

Very true...

Now on another note... its going to be one hard way to beat him. anyone can win in this situation but to me it seems that u dont know enough yourself to push your car to beat him... Goodluck either way!

 

[cstarritt]

what you need to know is his trap speed in the 1320, then you will have a good idea of what he et he can run with traction, and what you will need to beat him.

if you are on a tight budget, just rig up a home depot cai minus the filter, you can buy a filter for after the race. also i saw a diy boost controler in the tech articles, never heard of anyone else trying it but you might want to give it a look.

 

[95TSiNewbie]

I agree with igorsgonemadd....If he puts a POSI rear end in, your done. I love my DSM.... but i have always had my heart with older bow-ties. If he only runs 14's with that setup he doenst deserver that car or he may be playing you for a fool.(if its in good shape) Stock 72 runs a whooping 17.2 so if you can dip to 13.5 or so you should get him(with his mods).
This is what i would do:
1)Home Depot MBC works great - $20
2)drop your exhaust after the o2 - free
3)run a cone right off your turbo if possible - free -$40
4)drop all the weight you can - free
5)190 f/p - $90 shipped (could go vr4 $40, or supra TT)
6)550 injectors - $150-200 shipped (i've got 450s for 50 shipped if u want them)
7)afc+logger - $ 250-300

thats $600-700...could be cheaper if u find used...If u have 1500:

1)MBC - $20-80
2)Hard Intake pipe and cone - $100-200
3)3" turbo-back - $400-1000
3)Ported 2g mani and 02 - $250-400
4)Fuel pump - $40-90
5)550's or bigger - $150-250
6)AFC + Logger - $250-300
7)evoIII 16g

and have money left over

 

[JiveMasterT]

with $1500 you have a much better chance of beating him, but like the other guy said, you give away your biggest advantage... posi w/ slicks is quite a formidable pair in terms of off the line traction. however, if you have 1500, technically you could build an 11 second car.

however, you gotta figure both of you are going to strip your cars down to the bare minimum, both of you are going to have good traction, and both are going to have a disgusting amount of power.

i have seen both motors do amazing things. my dad's friend years ago used to have a chevelle with a rat in it, and the thing used to twist itself free from the engine mounts. it was sad to cause he had a rare factory hood on it and it got all messed up. then again, ive seen 4g63s tear everything from vtec to v8s a new asshole, so its gonna be a good race. please get it on tape when you do this... im sure we would all wanna see this.

 

[Generation1JeY]

however, if you have 1500, technically you could build an 11 second car.

Do u have any proof of a dsm running 11 seconds with no more than 1500$ dollars spent on it under AWD Eagle's current conditions?

 

[FireyIce01]

Umm, I disagree with you who say I will lose. His cam is not that big. It's .550 intake and exhaust, not that big for a big block. The car doesn't have that bad of traction problems as it is. A 72' Monte Carlo is a huge boat. I know I will beat him with race gas and more boost, he only beats me by 2.5-3 carlengths now. I've got an ACT 2100 and thats all. If I run 18psi, no exhaust, do some port work, and put a fuel pump on, I'll out run him, I just need some help with the specifics.

He also brought up a point to me, He'd be willing to raise my mods to $1500 if I let him put a new rear end in first. This would probably put him at a low 13 or 13 flat.

The specifics on his car are as follows: 468 Big Block, approximately 8.5 to 1 comp. .550 int &exh lift on cam, Edelbrock 750 carb, Performer 2.0 Intake Manifold, stock heads, 2" primary headers to 3" dual exhaust to Flowmaster 40's that dump right before the axle.

2800 stall, TH400 tranny, and a stock rear end (3.08 that spins both tires)

I can take him, I just need some of you geniuses to help dial me in.

Does he have a matched edelbrock carb, cam, intake combo? cause when you buy them edelbrock kits, they do have a lot of engineering and testing behind them... and if you let him change the read end, and he puts a posi with 4.56 or 5.11 gears in it, you've not got a chance... you'll have more top end, but he'll already be done with the 1/4 by the time you get there... 750 sounds a bit small on the carb though... The TH400 can handle a LOT of power, and it sounds to me like he's making it... even if he's driving a boat... it's going to be a speed boat... me and my dad have a 70 challenger with a 383 making just under 425 horses that runs high 10's on M/T Sportsmans... he's got a lot more engine in his car than we do... but he's not flowing as much air... so you may have a chance... but you're going to have to do more than $500 in mods...

 

[Ethanthegod9]

Hold on ....... read the first post a couple of times. What is the bet exactly? Is it that you can beat him out right or that you will get smoked by less then 3 cars?? If you only get smoked by one car are you the winner?? I would retract that statement about slick vs race gas, you get the short end of that stick. How about you booth use race gas? That way you both get the power but you also get the extra boost you can run. Don't let him change that rear .... your butt soon toasted will follow. I am also disappointed from some of the people posting maybe he can't win but how close can he get. Maybe it will be good enough. Maybe the other guy’s car runs like poop. It’s old it might not be in the best shape ever. Drop the American love and help a fellow DSM light a nice V8 up.

My advice:

-Home depot intake - $30
-Vr4 fuel pump rewired - $30
-Everything after the o2 gets dropped out - free
-Anything that can come out of the car does (3 seats, spare tire, down to the stereo)
-Try to find someone or way to port everything you can.
-Maybe find a good deal on some injectors

The biggest limitation is the turbo but that’s going to put you over the $500 limit.

Good luck let us know what happens

 

[AWD Eagle]

He bent 2 valves and 2 pushrods today. Stock big block heads don't like to see 7000rpms apparently. He has no money to fix it so he's just going to wait until he can buy new heads. So, no more bet I guess. We'll probably come up with something when he gets his car back. Thanks for all your input.

 

[JiveMasterT]

He bent 2 valves and 2 pushrods today. Stock big block heads don't like to see 7000rpms apparently. He has no money to fix it so he's just going to wait until he can buy new heads. So, no more bet I guess. We'll probably come up with something when he gets his car back. Thanks for all your input.

sorry to hear that... thats a shame. its only an excuse for performance parts though