The 14b Drag Race Discussion Thread

[hubz91talontsi]

Thats a little better now remove the air filter and the intake pipe. =X

 

[1SloEvo]

Yeah...remove the air filter and intake pipe...then where do you hook up the pre-compressor spray nozzles? Did you not see the previous couple of posts about the water/meth injection? Guess not.

 

[hubz91talontsi]

Yes.., yes I did. You need an entire intake pipe to install a nozzle? News to me--I have a compressor cover drilled for one. Don't get me wrong.. I know we are talking about a 14b but if you don't have a mas none of that is needed.

 

[SBstar]

Why does everything have to be a smart-aleck reply with this guy...:deadhorse:

Going back to this same thread in 09, we actually discussed methane injection, some stuff about methanol injection, etc...although we've discussed things more in depth recently.

We've covered most topics however, although we still haven't delved deep into many of them, and worse yet no, except for perhaps Nate (although with a 16g), has tried any of the things we've mentioned. I suppose Dave also did try out his evo III intake mani setup. Let's hope 2011 brings some cars out of the woodwork, and some of these ideas get tried so we can at least see some real world results from them.

 

[Kevin Jewer]

I have a compressor cover drilled for one.

What part of the compressor cover?

 

[hubz91talontsi]

Very tip of the inlet.. Mine doesn't spray straight down into the inlet-it sprays forward.. Keep in mind I had plans of going forward facing. May run my top mount now.

 

[99gst_racer]

Your nozzle doesn't spray into the compressor?

 

[forcefed86]

Always wanted to try it right here on mine. Never brave enough...

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As far as forward facing goes, that's how some of the "Rice racing" guys liked to do their nozzles. Had some amazing results with rotaries and straight water.

Isn't all this a little off topic for this thread?

 

[hubz91talontsi]

Your nozzle doesn't spray into the compressor?

Kinda, it at an angle where it sprays forward and not back into the compressor wheel. Ill be letting the compressor wheel pull the mist back in-not forceing it in.

 

[1SloEvo]

So you have a 14b with no intake, and a pre compressor meth injection setup where the meth sprays outward of the compressor to "allow" the turbo to pull the mist in with the air it pulls in?? That sounds like you're going to have a lot more getting sprayed with your water/meth injection other than the compressor. If you look at the video, you see that a lot of the liquid in the intake doesn't get pulled in. So running that setup on a drag strip (since this is the drag racing thread, this is what I assume) you are either going to have to run a "catch can" type system that will gather the fluid that doesn't get pulled in or you'll be making the track wet all the way down the entire thing...which isn't good for anybody. Sounds like you are trying to be creative and have new ideas, but that one is a FAIL waiting to happen.

 

[Phil1320]

Talk about throwing a TON of variables into the 14b mix. Wow, this is all you guys....... Reminds me of other things in life, and people, taking something so simple to pull results from and confusing the hell out of it. Interesting stuff nonetheless....wonder if real results(not dyno, not guessing) will ever come of it all. Call me Captain 14b B = BASIC

 

[1SloEvo]

Agreed Phil. For power, I'm sticking with what I know works and what has been proven. Weight reduction is where I'll be spending some time being creative.

 

[SBstar]

Talk about throwing a TON of variables into the 14b mix. Wow, this is all you guys....... Reminds me of other things in life, and people, taking something so simple to pull results from and confusing the hell out of it. Interesting stuff nonetheless....wonder if real results(not dyno, not guessing) will ever come of it all. Call me Captain 14b B = BASIC

Yep no proof from all this stuff yet. Sticking with the basics is the only thing producing results so far, might as well do it, just better then anyone has before.

Enough talk, looking back at 2009 with a bunch of people chiming in I remember saying most of them would disappear and you know what, they did nothing in 2010 and they haven't returned to this thread yet. Consider this a call-out to everyone here, do something in 2011 will ya! I want to see something out of all this talk. I'm not exactly breaking any new ground but at least my car was out there last year. I'm not bashing anyone here, but please get your cars out this year so we have more to talk about then speculation.

 

[Hubbell91Tsi]

Well being that my brother and I are both in the military it makes it a lot harder to get something together, we have a lot of parts laying around... just dont have the time to get the shit together. Plans for this year are to just get a turbo set up on the car to make a pass (without 2nd gear). Plan on doing a lot of things different with our car but i wont say anything about it because we dont know if its going to work. But i do know i have one of the best (dsm) tuners in the world on our side (Nate at TPG Tuning) and i learned a lot of secrets from working at TPG about Curts car and Sheps car that i think will help us out a lot. And of course to go fast you need both of those young men on your side .

 

[SBstar]

And of course to go fast you need both of those young men on your side .

Great guys, but I think you can go fast without them. Although I seriously appreciate what they've done for our community.

 

[Kevin Jewer]

Always wanted to try it right here on mine. Never brave enough...

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That's probably the worst place to do it. Compressor wheel speed is highest at the tips of the blades naturally. It's also a bit too late by the time the air gets there anyway...

 

[Nate Crisman]

Im looking at pre-compressor injection simply to see if there is a performance advantage to be had due to "wet compression". If spraying water or methanol can help a maxed out dinky turbo hold another 1psi or push out another .75lb/min then thats the name of the game. I'm already carrying a tank of methanol down the track anyway, so its only the addition of a pump, hose, and 2 wires to see if it helps.

There are test results on this site in the alky section that show spraying any amount of any fluid pre-compressor jumped the boost up about 1psi.

 

[Phil1320]

Agreed Phil. For power, I'm sticking with what I know works and what has been proven. Weight reduction is where I'll be spending some time being creative.

Word. And that is where better time is spent in the 14b world in my opinion. It's plain as day. I make 50 less HP than Pneumo, but can edge him to the line because of my stronger 1/8 mile because my lighter weight is easier to put into motion. His race weight is almost 500 lbs. lighter than mine. If he was as light as me on his 11.51 pass a couple years back he would have ran about 11.18 in my guestimation.

The guys trying to run record passes with full interior or street cars will never see the max potential no matter what they are using to make power.....sure, they will be FAST, but, if someone decides they want to make that same power in a lightweight car, noone will be talking about the "street car" anymore. Plain and simple.

 

[1SloEvo]

Yeah...my car is being stripped to nothing really. I'm planning to run the stock motor for this year on the 14b. Next winter I plan on some custom fab work for weight removal and built motor with more compression to see if it helps very much. I don't want to do the built motor and fab work this year because I want to get it back out to the track and get some runs in!!! Tired of working and not playing!

 

[Phil1320]

Word. And that is where better time is spent in the 14b world in my opinion. It's plain as day. I make 50 less HP than Pneumo, but can edge him to the line because of my stronger 1/8 mile because my lighter weight is easier to put into motion. His race weight is almost 500 lbs. lighter than mine.

Obviously, I mean his race weight was about 500lbs. *heavier* than mine....oops!

Yeah...my car is being stripped to nothing really. I'm planning to run the stock motor for this year on the 14b. Next winter I plan on some custom fab work for weight removal and built motor with more compression to see if it helps very much. I don't want to do the built motor and fab work this year because I want to get it back out to the track and get some runs in!!! Tired of working and not playing!

Sounds like it should rip! And your last line is most important.....getting to the track.......can't wait to hear of your results and see some pics!

.............and while I'm brainstorming this morning.......

....I'm not so sure the highest HP 14b set up( without NOS ) would have a better power to weight ratio in a heavier car than a "good" set up (what I think I'll have ) in a superlight car. Even if the higher HP car can run quicker, I bet it still gets beat to the 1/8.....the fun part of the run if you ask me. Just a thought. No matter what has been suggested for set ups on the 14b.....it has a power cap that may force anyone with a heavy car to start to pull weight if they want to be top dog. Before I did any of this crazy stuff, I would give in and toss a 4 port NOS set up on the car as a 100 shot. Gauranteed it will smoke even the most elaborate set up possible.

 

[SBstar]

....I'm not so sure the highest HP 14b set up( without NOS ) would have a better power to weight ratio in a heavier car than a "good" set up (what I think I'll have ) in a superlight car. Even if the higher HP car can run quicker, I bet it still gets beat to the 1/8.....the fun part of the run if you ask me. Just a thought. No matter what has been suggested for set ups on the 14b.....it has a power cap that may force anyone with a heavy car to start to pull weight if they want to be top dog. Before I did any of this crazy stuff, I would give in and toss a 4 port NOS set up on the car as a 100 shot. Gauranteed it will smoke even the most elaborate set up possible.

Agreed, it's going to take a combination of power and weight (lack of) to make awesome times. Most hp calculators equate 400lbs as close to 50hp gained when you're in our area. Even with the craziest of modifications 50 hp more then we've seen on a 14b before is alot to ask for w/out nitrous. You're going to have to make the car lighter. Pneumo regardless of some opinions, had his car pretty gutted to make it down to 2800lbs with driver, and it's going to take alot more weight loss then that. I figure I can make 2700lbs without spending alot of money gutting more on my car, from there to lose weight off it'll be money spent on lexan, fiberglass/carbon fiber, and other lightweight parts.

 

[1SloEvo]

I think the Lexan door windows, quarters and rear hatch will save a LOT of weight. I've already got my door windows removed. I still have a bit left to do to the car for weight reduction before I get the Lexan. I might actually wait on this. I might make some custom brackets on the doors to hold the glass in place without the electric motors for now until I save up for the Lexan. But it will be going in for the final setup on the 14b!

What are you guys doing for the hood? Are most of you going to fiberglass or carbon fiber hoods for weight reduction? Or is there something you can do to lighten the stock hood (to save some coin)?

 

[hubz91talontsi]

Who has the fastest street legal 14b car? Just out of curiosity..

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

What are you guys doing for the hood? Are most of you going to fiberglass or carbon fiber hoods for weight reduction? Or is there something you can do to lighten the stock hood (to save some coin)?

I saw a comparison many years ago between a stock hood, a gutted stock hood, and a carbon fiber hood (and possibly even a gutted carbon fiber hood). I can't seem to find it now though. The stock 1g hood weighs in around 45 lbs but I don't recall that much weight can be shed by cutting out the under-hood reinforcement.

 

[Nate Crisman]

Who has the fastest street legal 14b car? Just out of curiosity..

My car was still registered/insured/and street driven when it went 11.44@118 on the 14b/nos back in 2004. At the time it was heavy too (about 3050lb) with all power windows & locks, all steel body, full exhaust, street suspension, stock fuel tank, full stock interior, popup headlights, ect. I used to drive it to and front Island Dragway on friday night as well for most of that season, and it raced autox/roadcourse at the GRM challenge in that 14b setup to a very good finish.