The 14b Drag Race Discussion Thread

[94TSiAWD]

I'm buying a Prius and I'm gonna start eating tree bark.

What's wrong with a Prius? I don't eat tree bark & I'm averaging 51.5 MPG on this current tank of gas.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

Glad you guys got out though, better then wishing it was warm like most of us!

Yeah It got cold here for a couple of weeks but it's back in the 70's now and will be for the rest of the week. It was really a beautiful day to be at the track.

That's awesome.....both of your cars are great looking! I was wondering about your boost levels and state of tune b/c it sounds as if one, if not both of your engines are struggling to rev?

Anyway......I wonder if we could somehow orchestrate a 14b dragday that we all could make it to. I suppose Buschurs Shootout would be the easiest default. Several of us are here on the east coast but it wouldn't be an equal deal to expect you and Jose to make it this far east. Just a thought though....

I agree with Nate that the Buschur Shootout is the best location for a 14b meet. I was there in '04 and '05 and while I won't be there this year (Although close, I'll be in New York for a week the very last weekend in August) I will make it back one year, I promise.

Jose was making good progress on his tune. He managed to pick up about 14 MPH on the top end with is boost lowered to 15 lbs. Once he get his fuel trims right and gets the boost back up he will be good to go. My ECU is already on the way to ECMTuning so when I get it back it will make a substantial difference, plus I'll be spending more time at the track to work on my FWD launch. I'll be at the track again on March 13th and I'm hoping Jose will be able to make it back down too (he's about 2 hours away).

 

[SBstar]

Ended up gutting my dash and a few other things yesterday. Got 10lbs out of the dash, 7.5lbs out with the front swaybar, another 5 or so pounds of sound deadening (forgot alot of mine was already out but about 13lbs total), door panels weighed in at 13.5lbs combined, front to rear crossmember 6.0lbs, Front carpeting was 22.5lbs (wet however), Pop-up light assemblies 13lbs., Center console 8.5lbs., heater/ac crap under dash was 15lbs (A/C condensor thing was already removed prior) and the switch to candian belts saved 15lbs.

Thats 124lbs total, I had to add a touch of weight back for a few replacements, plus the carpet was wet and moisture added weight so figure 115 lbs even or so taken out so far! I've got a ton more planned to do and I think I can get an easy 50 more lbs out, maybe even hit that 200 mark. Plans include a lighter suspension, gutting doors, rear swaybar, and anything else I can find that I haven't already yanked that can be safely removed.

I'm also planning on a staging brake for this year. I'm tired of braking drivetrain parts already and pre-loading the drivetrain should not only help with that but also help me with that 60 foot. I don't have the e-brake option as those cables and unit were gone when I got the car. Looking at one of the CNC units. Anyone have any tips on how long it took to get used to utilizing a pre-load brake and moving to the shfiter for the 1-2? I'll probably have to find a backroad spot to practice a bit before the first track outing with it.

EDIT: and you know I'll be at the shootout, definately will be looking for everyone there this year.

 

[1SloEvo]

I spent some time drilling out brackets and removing stuff from my 1G yesterday...I have now removed well over 400lb from my car. I've probably removed 40lb of dirt from the fender liners with more to go. I still have the doors to work on, rear floor, suspension stuff and quite a few other miscellaneous things here and there.

 

[SBstar]

I spent some time drilling out brackets and removing stuff from my 1G yesterday...I have now removed well over 400lb from my car. I've probably removed 40lb of dirt from the fender liners with more to go. I still have the doors to work on, rear floor, suspension stuff and quite a few other miscellaneous things here and there.

Awesome!
As we all know weight loss is going to be key to great times! Have you utilized lightweight parts or just tore stuff out so far? The miscellaneous brackets don't come in weighing very much, but after a bunch of them 5-10lbs counts!

 

[forcefed86]

Awesome!
As we all know weight loss is going to be key to great times! Have you utilized lightweight parts or just tore stuff out so far? The miscellaneous brackets don't come in weighing very much, but after a bunch of them 5-10lbs counts!

400lbs without touching the doors is pretty impressive. Still scratching my head as to how you managed that?

You all are going at it all wrong. Best weight savings ever is right here....

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[SBstar]

400lbs without touching the doors is pretty impressive. Still scratching my head as to how you managed that?

You all are going at it all wrong. Best weight savings ever is right here....

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Well I haven't touched my doors yet either. According to Vfaq the 1g awd talon weighs in at 3108 from the factory. According to my car on the scales last year and the weight loss from this year I've taken 493 pounds off my car. Honestly I doubt my car weighed 3108 in the beginning as it wasn't a full option model (no sunroof) but it shows how much can come off! I still utilize a stock 1ga drivers seat (50lbs) and will still have carpeting* throughout the car.

 

[1SloEvo]

It's not hard to hit 400lb of weight removal when you're making it a dedicated track car and removing things like the gas tank, every interior part there is, etc.

 

[Phil1320]

Buschur Shootout DST class for "stock appearing" turbo is likely the best bet for 14b guys to at least run in a class that somewhat suits them. It's also a worth-while drive for people that are very spread out vs having some sort of "14b meeting" at a local track on a random day.

Im planning to be at the shootout on Aug 21, but I won't be sporting a 14. Maybe we can setup a BBQ/meeting/benchrace session on saturday during the autox? I'm planning to just bring my car over, park it, and hang out for the day as would most non-autox guys. Plenty of time for a meet&greet.

I doubt I'll be at the Shootout. Been to just a couple, and for the cost of the trip to fun factor, it falls short on excitement. However, it would be cool to be all gathered in one spot. We'll see what I can muster. I'll most likely hit the E-town event, that would be it. But, you are right, to try to set up a day at a random track would be more trouble than it's worth.

What's wrong with a Prius? I don't eat tree bark & I'm averaging 51.5 MPG on this current tank of gas.

Other than some of the clowns that own them blocking the left lane and then trying to drive aggresively when I roll up on them....well, it's an ugly POS and the brakes will most likely fail at one time or another, and it's a relative of the lame ass MKIV Supra...umm I can go on. 51.5 mpg would be great, but not if I have to look like that to do it

Yeah It got cold here for a couple of weeks but it's back in the 70's now and will be for the rest of the week. It was really a beautiful day to be at the track.



I agree with Nate that the Buschur Shootout is the best location for a 14b meet. I was there in '04 and '05 and while I won't be there this year (Although close, I'll be in New York for a week the very last weekend in August) I will make it back one year, I promise.

Jose was making good progress on his tune. He managed to pick up about 14 MPH on the top end with is boost lowered to 15 lbs. Once he get his fuel trims right and gets the boost back up he will be good to go. My ECU is already on the way to ECMTuning so when I get it back it will make a substantial difference, plus I'll be spending more time at the track to work on my FWD launch. I'll be at the track again on March 13th and I'm hoping Jose will be able to make it back down too (he's about 2 hours away).

Yeah, you're right, the shootout is the best place. It's already set up and all. No effort on our parts except to get there. Good points.

Well I haven't touched my doors yet either. According to Vfaq the 1g awd talon weighs in at 3108 from the factory. According to my car on the scales last year and the weight loss from this year I've taken 493 pounds off my car. Honestly I doubt my car weighed 3108 in the beginning as it wasn't a full option model (no sunroof) but it shows how much can come off! I still utilize a stock 1ga drivers seat (50lbs) and will still have carpeting* throughout the car.

3110 is what I go by and to my knowledge that is for the base car, so a sunroof equipped car with leather would weigh more.........stock 1ga seat is more like 40lbs....unless it's leather......

400lbs without touching the doors is pretty impressive. Still scratching my head as to how you managed that?

You all are going at it all wrong. Best weight savings ever is right here....

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My wife is 100 lbs. lighter than me.....and she can drive well......

My own body weight is actually going to account for 20lbs. of this years total race weight loss.......

 

[SBstar]

My 1ga driver seat weighed 50lbs and the passenger seat weighed 40lbs when I weighed them out of my old car. I'll weigh these ones and make sure but both are the same rainbowish/grey cloth. Hopefully I'll do that today or tomorrow for ya's. It's nice getting to double check all my original weights

 

[Phil1320]

My 1ga driver seat weighed 50lbs and the passenger seat weighed 40lbs when I weighed them out of my old car. I'll weigh these ones and make sure but both are the same rainbowish/grey cloth. Hopefully I'll do that today or tomorrow for ya's. It's nice getting to double check all my original weights

That's weird....hmmmm....

 

[SBstar]

Drivers seat is between 47-48 lbs and the passenger between 41-42 lbs. This is my awesome method of weighing myself, picking up the object and re-weighing. Although it's not perfectly accurate it's darn close. I'd love to get a shipping scale though. But compared to those weighing things on shipping scales I've never been more then 1-2 lbs off and rarely more then half a pound.

 

[Phil1320]

Drivers seat is between 47-48 lbs and the passenger between 41-42 lbs. This is my awesome method of weighing myself, picking up the object and re-weighing. Although it's not perfectly accurate it's darn close. I'd love to get a shipping scale though. But compared to those weighing things on shipping scales I've never been more then 1-2 lbs off and rarely more then half a pound.

no kidding.....ok. I will be picking up a good scale. Gonna take one of my wheels down to the post office and have them weigh it.....

 

[1SloEvo]

The digital scale I use is normally within half a pound of what packages weigh at the post office. My seats were in the 40lb range...maybe those 50lb seats had something "special" in them. Are there power seats in these things?

 

[SBstar]

No power, there is probably a difference between the different models though.

Also for reference the Evo's VIII's Recaro's are 36.9 lbs. and those things feel light when you pick them up compared to the dsm's seats. Thats a listed weight from a shipping scale too.

 

[Phil1320]

Anyone have any tips on how long it took to get used to utilizing a pre-load brake and moving to the shfiter for the 1-2?

Ever since my fourth trip to the strip in 1997, I've been using the e-brake. Never had one problem with dropping the lever and moving to the shift knob. First yellow, drop the handle and get to the shift knob......

 

[Steve93Talon]

I've got a shipping scale and piles of stock parts if anyone wants any weights.

 

[Nate Crisman]

I've got a shipping scale and piles of stock parts if anyone wants any weights.

Ditto...I generally partout between 12 and 18 DSM/GVR4 a year and have at least 4 cars worth of parts laying around my shop, as well as an accurate scale. I'd have no trouble getting accurate #'s for discussion.

 

[bastarddsm]

Off the current topic, but has anyone used pre compressor water/alky injection yet? I have read somewhere, that it can make the compressor act upto 20% bigger. I wish I could find the article.

I was always gonna try it when I had aspirations of going fast on a 16g, but with my car weighing 3350, I'd never reach my 10sec dream.

Depending on how close I get to 9's before I max out my WH1C, I may try it on the holset.

 

[SBstar]

Not sure if anyone has tried it with the 14b yet. I know there was alot of dicussion about it, and alot of worry that you could/would ruin a turbo that way. Might have already been some discussion of it in this thread , I'd have to look back through our long discussions. But I know I looked at other threads discussing it, seems like most agreed it's not as worthwhile as it's made to seem.

 

[Nate Crisman]

Off the current topic, but has anyone used pre compressor water/alky injection yet? I have read somewhere, that it can make the compressor act upto 20% bigger. I wish I could find the article.

I was always gonna try it when I had aspirations of going fast on a 16g, but with my car weighing 3350, I'd never reach my 10sec dream.

Depending on how close I get to 9's before I max out my WH1C, I may try it on the holset.

That is actually one of the things Im planning on trying this season as part of trying to find more performance without nitrous. It should actually be simple for me to experiment with, as I'll already be running alcohol fuel and have an unused fuel cell outlet. No big deal to hook up a shurflo pump and a -4 hose and use the DSMlink egr output to run it.

 

[Phil1320]

Off the current topic, but has anyone used pre compressor water/alky injection yet? I have read somewhere, that it can make the compressor act upto 20% bigger. I wish I could find the article.

I was always gonna try it when I had aspirations of going fast on a 16g, but with my car weighing 3350, I'd never reach my 10sec dream.

Depending on how close I get to 9's before I max out my WH1C, I may try it on the holset.

I had posted somewhere that I got a E316g from a friend that had run injection before the compressor and it damaged the fins on the comp wheel at the edge where they meet the comp housing....

 

[forcefed86]

Alot of good info here. They specifically talk about the 20% efficiency gains in the first link. I thought it was a worth while addition to my pump gas/meth inj setup. I have since moved to e85 and no longer use it. My little setup is on the bottom.

Injecting prior to turbo comp' impellers - waterinjection.info


http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/nit...91-pre-compressor-injection-test-results.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/nit...357234-pre-compressor-methanol-injection.html

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http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b100/Hybridgnx/1993 Talon TSI/?action=view&current=dual75.mp4

 

[hubz91talontsi]

Someone was talking about 20% efficiency gains and their intake looked like that? Lol. Thats yours!?

 

[forcefed86]

Someone was talking about 20% efficiency gains and their intake looked like that? Lol. Thats yours!?

C'mon now we all had to start somewhere! Here's the current rig...

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Yes that's my old setup, worked well for what it was. Nowhere near 20% gain, but I think it did improve spoolup.