The 14b Drag Race Discussion Thread

[hubz91talontsi]

it's fact

I have goals for my car before it ever hits the track. A 12 first pass would be cool-sure. Im sure someone has a 14b in the garage.. You can easily weigh it for me.. I even asked nicely.

 

[Nate Crisman]

Just noticed that the evo 6 tme edition(and rs) came with a titanium alloy turbine shaft. The titanium shaft almost doubles or cuts the results in half by every aspect depending on the category.

All fine and dandy except the turbine fins face the wrong direction! Turbine shaft and wheel are one piece.

 

[hubz91talontsi]

All fine and dandy except the turbine fins face the wrong direction! Turbine shaft and wheel are one piece.

Nate do you honestly think i didn't know that? =P Don't worry about that part.. Comparing dyno charts from the 2 shafts show amost a 500rpm difference in spool time. If the weight isn't going to be answered just don't even bring it up anymore because this is going to turn into 3 more pages of me attepting to be clowned.

 

[1SloEvo]

Just curious why you would need 500rpm quicker spool on a 14b? They spool very quick as it is. I think the spool is plenty quick enough, it's the topend that hurts. Quicker spool doesn't matter when you're 5k rpm and higher after you launch the car anyway.

 

[hubz91talontsi]

Just curious why you would need 500rpm quicker spool on a 14b? They spool very quick as it is. I think the spool is plenty quick enough, it's the topend that hurts. Quicker spool doesn't matter when you're 5k rpm and higher after you launch the car anyway.

I'm running a t3 10cm housing. Right now i could careless about anything dealing with a launch and a track. What you're not understanding is that more than just a 14b uses a inconel 713c shaft.. Im not sure what a garrett runs, but if its a inconel--maybe they can research a new shaft for next year.. Thats what i do. Those numbers related to the shaft breaking could have very well been with a titanium shaft. Who knows.. a e316g may be able to produce far more than 510aw.

 

[Phil1320]

hahahah...phil, that's hilarious!

rofl

I have goals for my car before it ever hits the track. A 12 first pass would be cool-sure. Im sure someone has a 14b in the garage.. You can easily weigh it for me.. I even asked nicely.

I'm gonna say this once: watch the name calling. Unless of course you want to disappear from this thread faster than you can make a 14b powered 1/4 mile pass.

 

[hubz91talontsi]

I'm gonna say this once: watch the name calling. Unless of course you want to disappear from this thread faster than you can make a 14b powered 1/4 mile pass.

Funny guy.

 

[1SloEvo]

got a question hubz...if you could "careless about anything dealing with a launch and a track" then WTH are you doing in the 14b drag race discussion thread to talk about the weight of a turbo shaft? Why not make a thread relating to that and hop out of the drag racing thread since you don't care anything about it? Not trying to be a dick, but why clutter this thread with stuff that's irrelavent...especially if you don't care about the topic of the thread in the first place?

 

[hubz91talontsi]

Why not make a thread relating to that and hop out of the drag racing thread since you don't care anything about it? Not trying to be a dick, but why clutter this thread with stuff that's irrelavent...especially if you don't care about the topic of the thread in the first place?

I gotcha, i have goals before my car hits the track. Aero,weight,power..etc. Until those goals are met the track means nothing to me. Any car that i build/built will never be a drag car. Meaning it won't be a tin can or taken off the street.

 

[1SloEvo]

I gotcha, i have goals before my car hits the track. Aero,weight,power..etc. Until those goals are met the track means nothing to me. Any car that i build/built will never be a drag car. Meaning it won't be a tin can or taken off the street.

Thus making my point even more. I understand you have goals, but you're in the 14b Drag Racing thread. If you're not building a car toward drag racing with the 14b or have information relating to that topic, why clutter the thread? I'm done cluttering it now...just trying to keep the info on topic instead of talking about turbine shafts and wheels made of UNobtanium and all other kinds of stuff that is irrelavent.

 

[donniekak]

Nate do you honestly think i didn't know that? =P Don't worry about that part.. Comparing dyno charts from the 2 shafts show amost a 500rpm difference in spool time. If the weight isn't going to be answered just don't even bring it up anymore because this is going to turn into 3 more pages of me attepting to be clowned.

The turbo's from the TME's are known to fail when pushed to high boost levels.

 

[hubz91talontsi]

The turbo's from the TME's are known to fail when pushed to high boost levels.

THANK YOU! If you can get me proof it would be appreicated!

just trying to keep the info on topic instead of talking about turbine shafts and wheels made of UNobtanium and all other kinds of stuff that is irrelavent.

Its off topic? The problem is you not thinking outside the box. If the evo 6 came with a inconel 600 in 99-01- What td05h turbo also has a shaft made from different material? It wouldn't surprize me if a evo 3 shaft weighs less than a 14b's.

 

[1SloEvo]

Haha...I've got plenty of ideas "outside the box" for my Laser...just a matter of being able to afford my ideas.

 

[pneumo]

THANK YOU! If you can get me proof it would be appreicated!



Its off topic? The troblem is you not thinking outside the box. If the evo 6 came with a inconel 600 in 99-01- What td05h turbo also has a shaft made from different material? It wouldn't surprize me if a evo 3 shaft weighs less than a 14b's.

Are you saying the EVO3 turbine wheel weighs less than the 14b turbine wheel?
If so, could you please just say so instead of playing these games.
If you have something to contribute, get on with it already.

 

[hubz91talontsi]

Are you saying the EVO3 turbine wheel weighs less than the 14b turbine wheel?
If so, could you please just say so instead of playing these games.

That's what I'm looking for, but I don't get much help. No worries next time I'm home I'll get some weights.

 

[SBstar]

Wow, this thread has picked up again, which is great!

Nate, I wasn't referring to you. You're one of the guys who has actually gone out and done something, so why would I include you? Now I will give you a little guff since nothing has been done on a 14b yet! There's trouble brewing once you've made the switch to the bigger turbo and gotten used to being faster, going back to the 14b is going to be hard for most people after that. But I trust you'll get it on there and make some passes yet!

What I meant by saying "normal setups" was no one did anything beyond what we were used to seeing on a dsm. I'd say the only thing that Joe really did differently that we didn't see much was the liquid to air intercooler. They didn't have rediculous 12:1 compression motor builds, titanium everything, and methane injection. They used what has been proven to work time and time again and had results. Now I'm all for thinking outside the box, but again the majority of us aren't going to be able to afford custom parts. Methanol as a fuel isn't "normal", if you walk through a hundred dsms at the shootout you'll see the same parts that most of the 14b "record" guys ran/run. You won't see many if any running methanol. Not saying it's bad, in fact it's a great idea and it'll be cool to see you have success with it.

However, NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE has taken the proven "normal" parts that work and taken them to their full potential. Joe Bucci took it the furthest, but he'll admit right there that there was more he could have done, the car could've gotten lighter, and he only made two passes once it was at full potential. He only made TWO passes without nitrous once the car was at it's potential which is saying it could've gone quicker on the setup that was on the car for all we know, he never hit his best 60ft once he was in the 10's leaving more on the table. Even in the nitrous realm that you're chasing he didn't try extremely hard to put that record out of reach and it should easily be reached with a little more effort put in which I think you'll do sooner rather then later. Even things like the better flowing 2g head, the mysterious evo III manifold are normal items since we see them on many dsms. We don't know if the perfect normal setup has been found yet we all know it takes the right combination of parts.

I guess my point is I don't think the record can't be reached without extreme parts and different fuels, I think Phil can get there if he sticks with it. Phil's car needs alot of the power upgrades that others were playing with, it will get lighter, it's hitting the best 60 foots seen yet, and no offense to pneumo but it's tough to tune a perfect chip from halfway across the country so I bet there is more left in the tune as well. Alot of pieces that can only make that car much quicker and I don't think 10's are out of reach.

And just so you don't think I'm missing it either, I do think the record could be taken by exotic pieces and parts of course! There are advantages to fuels like methanol, things like super high compression, and superlight rotating parts that can't be matched by the normal off the shelf pieces. We'll wait and see who does it which is what makes this so exciting! Now obviously my vision of normal is going to be different then someone elses so take it as my interpretation !

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

ArcticTsi (AWD in the right lane) and 9!'clipseDOHC (FWD in the left lane) at the drag strip.

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We are both 14b powered and both trapped 102 MPH, but the AWD took the win by 1.2 seconds.

 

[Phil1320]

ArcticTsi (AWD in the right lane) and 9!'clipseDOHC (FWD in the left lane) at the drag strip.


We are both 14b powered and both trapped 102 MPH, but the AWD took the win by 1.2 seconds.

When was this?

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

When was this?

It was this Sunday at the El Paso Motorplex.

 

[SBstar]

Nice! Wish we could race this time of year. What were the timeslips?

I've got all my front sound deadening scraped off, new headlights going in (eliminating pop-ups), and working on some other weight loss stuff today!

 

[hubz91talontsi]

We are both 14b powered and both trapped 102 MPH, but the AWD took the win by 1.2 seconds.

Can you post more info about the runs? 60',1/8..etc

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

Can you post more info about the runs? 60',1/8..etc

I have the slip at home but sufice it to say that it was a poor run for both of us. I just posted the video because it was of the two of us running at the same time. We were both on 91 octane running 15 lbs of boost. Jose is retuning is car after 5 years of storage and I don't have anything to tune with yet (my ECU is being sent to ECMtuning tomorrow for the EPROM conversion and DSMlink chip). Jose was running 13.4's and I ran a best of 14.7. The track doesn't have 1/8 mile info at all.

 

[SBstar]

Glad you guys got out though, better then wishing it was warm like most of us!

65.5 lbs removed from the car today, alot of it with stuff I didn't really plan on taking out, you know how weight loss is, addicting!

 

[Phil1320]

It was this Sunday at the El Paso Motorplex.

That's awesome.....both of your cars are great looking! I was wondering about your boost levels and state of tune b/c it sounds as if one, if not both of your engines are struggling to rev?

Anyway......I wonder if we could somehow orchestrate a 14b dragday that we all could make it to. I suppose Buschurs Shootout would be the easiest default. Several of us are here on the east coast but it wouldn't be an equal deal to expect you and Jose to make it this far east. Just a thought though....

Glad you guys got out though, better then wishing it was warm like most of us!

65.5 lbs removed from the car today, alot of it with stuff I didn't really plan on taking out, you know how weight loss is, addicting!

Awesome Shane! Now you are speaking my language


I hate weight reduction.......

UPDATE ON MY TALON:

I HAVENT TOUCHED IT SINCE DECEMBER.

Still need to pull the head and remove the oil pan for inspection. I got off to a great start but that fizzled quickly. We've got a few 50 degree(WOW) days coming here so maybe I can turn a wrench for a few hours. Gonna be a while til the car runs again. Potential first time that I will run is June 10. If not, probably not til the fall........pretty lame, but, that's the limited time I have. This is one of the busiest times in my life right now with things coming at me from all angles, so, as usual, the Talon takes the extreme back seat to it all.

But, I'll be out at some point, and it should be worth the wait. If not, I'm buying a Prius and a Flex Fuel Chevy Tahoe and I'm gonna start eating tree bark.

 

[Nate Crisman]

Anyway......I wonder if we could somehow orchestrate a 14b dragday that we all could make it to. I suppose Buschurs Shootout would be the easiest default. Several of us are here on the east coast but it wouldn't be an equal deal to expect you and Jose to make it this far east. Just a thought though....

Buschur Shootout DST class for "stock appearing" turbo is likely the best bet for 14b guys to at least run in a class that somewhat suits them. It's also a worth-while drive for people that are very spread out vs having some sort of "14b meeting" at a local track on a random day.

Im planning to be at the shootout on Aug 21, but I won't be sporting a 14. Maybe we can setup a BBQ/meeting/benchrace session on saturday during the autox? I'm planning to just bring my car over, park it, and hang out for the day as would most non-autox guys. Plenty of time for a meet&greet.