redoing my 2g suspension

[anthonydinatale]

Okay so i am trying to figure out what i am going to buy to redo my suspension. I dont want to spend to much but would like it to be a decent set up.

going with

prothane or ES suspension bushing kit? What one

and what shock coil overs combo do you recommend?

 

[nickk90]

Prothanes come with more bushings and are stiffer than ES from what iv'e read and have a harsher ride. Im tryin to decide on what shocks i wanna get also. From what im seeing stay away from KYB AGX if your droped more than a inch.

 

[rock1t]

KYB AGX's are excellent entry level shocks/struts, specially when matched up with the eibach prokit. very nice entry suspension, along with the engery suspension bushing kit.

then when you get more serious about cornering and keeping your car planted in the corners, you can look into sway bars, better tires, strut bars, etc.

 

[95talongirl]

Prothane (at least on the dodge neon kit) used a split design; which is a whole lot easier to install. I am currently installing the ES kit on my 2g... and its a pain, even having acess to a press; which if you don't.. then I'd defiantly suggect the prothane over ES.. just to make life easier.

KYB AGX's shocks are not bad. Had those on the last talon and liked them. On the new one, went with KONI on Eibachs.

 

[nickk90]

how are the konis? how hard are they to adjust in the rears?
i have 2" drop springs and have read that they will allow the most shock travel but not sure on them if they suck to adjust

 

[95talongirl]

I have not driven the car yet on the Koni's. Its currently still getting put back together. However, feedback on Koni's across the board are that they are a superior shock. I'll let you know, tho!

 

[nickk90]

are you goin to be on the pro kit or sportline springs?

 

[jm1080]

I'm planning on getting the Koni yellows too, but are they adjustable? Looking through pics I do not see them as adjustable. This is the only thing from steering me away from them. I was planning on buying them with the GC coilovers.

 

[housegsx]

I'm planning on getting the Koni yellows too, but are they adjustable?

Yes.

 

[ACM]

Stay away from ProKits or Sportlines unless you have race-track-smooth tarmac with no pot holes, washboards, frost heaves etc. In both cases the springs are far too soft for their ride height, the car spends its time bouncing off the (cut or uncut) bump stops.

For dampers, cheapest option is Tokico Illuminas coupled with stock springs, after that move to Koni Sports with stiffer/lower springs. One setup I have not tried but is said to be very good is H&R springs with Konis. Search on Jtoby/jtmcinder for a full analysis. That said, I have run most of the other combinations and none of them are worth the time spent fitting them, never mind the money spent buying them

 

[97gst_spyder]

Prothane bushing are crazy easy to install compared to ES. They are split design. Make sure to use grease on the eye-let or they will make noise like crazy.

My setup is full Prothane Total kit and Tokico whites with matched Tokico awd springs. I love it!

Plus, Tokico struts have a lifetime warranty to the original owner!!!

 

[jm1080]

Yes.

Really? I thought it was a self dampening shock. Does it have a knob to adjust soft/hard? From pictures that I have seen, i do not see any sort of knob for adjustment.

Also where do you buy these split design prothane bushings?

 

[97gst_spyder]

All Prothanes are like that. I got my Total kit off Ebay for $178 shipped.

 

[housegsx]

Really? I thought it was a self dampening shock. Does it have a knob to adjust soft/hard? From pictures that I have seen, i do not see any sort of knob for adjustment.

They come with a removable knob.

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[Zdrummer15]

I've heard nothing but good things from people with Koni Yellows. I've only ever ridden in a car with them actually installed, never driven one, but from what I've seen, I'm sold on them. I plan to get Koni Yellows with H&R Sport springs soon.

 

[anthonydinatale]

All Prothanes are like that. I got my Total kit off Ebay for $178 shipped.

what did your total kit include can you please let me know eveything it will come with thanks

 

[eclipsh]

I've got Koni's and I am very happy with them. By the way, regarding the difficulty of adjusting them, once you have them adjusted correctly for your springs you will have no reason to mess with them. When they're right, they're right, end of story. I haven't adjusted mine in well over a year.

 

[rock1t]

Stay away from ProKits or Sportlines unless you have race-track-smooth tarmac with no pot holes, washboards, frost heaves etc. QUOTE]

been on a few tracks, not smooth. guess i been going to the wrong places. .

 

[DSMjrv]

the eibach springs are great street or DD springs... they significantly improve handling but are still comfortable...

also why does no one here use bilstein shocks? they are the best and don't care what your ride height is

 

[ACM]

Bilsteins aren't available for a 2G (or weren't last time I checked).

You're in California, you guys don't have bumps ! Your daily roads are better than our New England race tracks

 

[mike96]

Bilsteins aren't available for a 2G (or weren't last time I checked).

You're in California, you guys don't have bumps ! Your daily roads are better than our New England race tracks

are you joking? i have been down a few roads in California that i was afraid to drive my 4X4 dodge truck on for fear of damaging something. i have mostly lived in and driven around the south west (Nv, Az, Ca, Ut, some Tx.) and California by far was the worse roads i have ever seen.

 

[bjones18]

Sorry to break the mood... but what are your goals? Tires and dampers are great upgrades... but I always question the replacement of bushings (unless they are shredded from age, uv, & ozone). Adams modeling is a great way to understand how bushing stiffnesses affect throttle on/off steer, toe-in braking, and compliance steer.

Some are convinced that urethane bushings are an upgrade.... If so, why did the Acura NSX with it's military aircraft quality 7-hit aluminum forgings use natural rubber bushings? Mold-bonded & swaged rubber bushings are best.

Great handling starts with tires, road, and cg location (for/aft & height). Toe & camber characteristics static & with roll are next. Springs & damper tuning allow your contact patch to maintain contact with the road with bumps. Stabars allow you to balance understeer (what you didn't get with cg for/aft weight & camber). Caster gives camber in turn, and lateral force understeer. Steering geometry, rack ratio, wheel diameter & pump characteristics give steering feedback. What you can't get from spending money on your car you can MORE than compensate for by attending a week at an advanced driving school.

I have designed three OEM high volume suspensions, ran countless Adams models, been to Bondurant, J.Stewart development drivers training, and an eight-week development drivers training. I am happy with the stock bushings. If I were to do anything I would redesign the F/R crossmembers for increased stiffness and utilize larger rubber bushings with rate plates (for less parasitic wheel rate).

If you are looking for a recommendation, tires, cg, camber, & drivers training are your biggest bang for the buck.

 

[97gst_spyder]

what did your total kit include can you please let me know eveything it will come with thanks

Every rear bushing, and almost all the front ones. The only one not replaced is the lower rear curved control arm on the front. Also, the swaybar bushing came in the kit.

 

[VETDRMS]

This might be overkill but here is a link to my overview of the Koni/GC "DG-style" suspension I pieced together over the past month or so:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/handling-tech/385416-my-koni-gc-rre-dg-style-install.html

This is based off a similar concept by Dennis Grant:

Autocross.dsm.org - Build Your Own Konis

There is some good reading on the Far North site if you have some time I'd recommend reading it.

 

[anthonydinatale]

Sorry to break the mood... but what are your goals? Tires and dampers are great upgrades... but I always question the replacement of bushings (unless they are shredded from age, uv, & ozone). Adams modeling is a great way to understand how bushing stiffnesses affect throttle on/off steer, toe-in braking, and compliance steer.

Some are convinced that urethane bushings are an upgrade.... If so, why did the Acura NSX with it's military aircraft quality 7-hit aluminum forgings use natural rubber bushings? Mold-bonded & swaged rubber bushings are best.

Great handling starts with tires, road, and cg location (for/aft & height). Toe & camber characteristics static & with roll are next. Springs & damper tuning allow your contact patch to maintain contact with the road with bumps. Stabars allow you to balance understeer (what you didn't get with cg for/aft weight & camber). Caster gives camber in turn, and lateral force understeer. Steering geometry, rack ratio, wheel diameter & pump characteristics give steering feedback. What you can't get from spending money on your car you can MORE than compensate for by attending a week at an advanced driving school.

I have designed three OEM high volume suspensions, ran countless Adams models, been to Bondurant, J.Stewart development drivers training, and an eight-week development drivers training. I am happy with the stock bushings. If I were to do anything I would redesign the F/R crossmembers for increased stiffness and utilize larger rubber bushings with rate plates (for less parasitic wheel rate).

If you are looking for a recommendation, tires, cg, camber, & drivers training are your biggest bang for the buck.

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my bushings are GONE i mean if i can find a complete set of OEM bushings cheaper i would