nt wanting more power

[dsmman91]

i just put a full exhaust system on my car and a new intake and was wondering what else could i get to get more power out of my engine anything would help

 

[Absit]

Add a turbo or spray. Nothing you bolt on is going to give you any real gains.

 

[dsmman91]

not even upgrading the cams or better injectors to get more fuel. theres nothing eles i can do to get more power besides adding a turbo or nos that just cant seem right.

 

[Absit]

Why would you need more fuel? It sounds to me like possibly you don't know how engines make power. Surely, you read the Tech Guide for your car?

No?
Tech Guide: 1G 4G63 N/T Upgrades - DSMtuners

You can do all of that and you won't be much faster, a butt dyno wouldn't even register it. Which engine do you have? The 1.8 or the 2.0? It doesn't matter much, without going forced induction you're not going to make any real power with it. It's a small engine with mediocre compression.

 

[Bishikid]

not even upgrading the cams or better injectors to get more fuel. theres nothing eles i can do to get more power besides adding a turbo or nos that just cant seem right.

most members on here would tell you to just sell your N/T and buy a 4G63Td. but MY advise to you would be, keep your N/T to use as a DD, and buy yourself a nice project dsm

Its nice to have a DD while having your project I wish I would have had a DD when I took on MY dsm still to date I have to barrow a car when it gives me problems

 

[dsmman91]

sorry im still a newbie about some car stuff and dsms sorry guys and i would love to have a turbo talon but not enough money for that and thanks for all the help

 

[Absit]

If you want to make power without going forced induction, you'll need a bigger engine.

 

[dsmman91]

would be hard to turbo charge my engine or drop a turbo charged motor in my car or from what the other guy said just buy a turbo dsm and have fun with it.

 

[DSM1G90]

You may get at most 5 more hp with tonnage of mods and money spent to get that small amount of gain .. is it worth it?

Besides, stock 135 hp out of a NT 4G63 aint that all bad ... you could have the 4G37 (1.8L) in that thing, then you'd be definitely appreciating that 135hp for sure...

Be happy on what you got and afford, unless you got tonnage of green lining your pockets to do the turbo conversion ...

- DSM

 

[Bishikid]

would be hard to turbo charge my engine or drop a turbo charged motor in my car or from what the other guy said just buy a turbo dsm and have fun with it.

putting a turbo or swapping a different motor in your car would just be a waist of money..... you'd most likley end up spending MORE money than if you were to just sell what you have and put some money on top to get you aa turbod DSM.

I still stick to the keep it for DD and save for a project heres a few
1997 Mitsubishi Eclipse gs-t
97 mitsubishi eclipse gst

 

[Heartless]

Whats wrong with you guys? Your at least supposed to be somewhat supportive or at least finish giving an answer to his question. Even though he may be better off buying a turbo version its not impossible to have decent gains. When I first bought my awd a couple years back the previous owner had installed a n/t engine for something to drive. After 3months of putting up with that I couldn't take it any more (having the n/t turn 4 wheels). I found a used stock turbo for $50 along with drain tube and feed line that had minimal shaft play. Picked up some 450's for dirt to throw on as well so it had enough fuel. It made all the difference, wasn't "fast" but it could at least get out of its own way. Ended up building my 6bolt and swapping it out like it should be but I put that n/t through the paces everyday for a year and she never gave me a problem. All in all I will agree you would be better just buying a turbo version when $$$ allows but for now these are your options. Keep in mind though, the n/t pistons are prone to cracking due to the ring lands being closer to the top of the piston so you would have to be very careful not to boost too much or run too much timing.

 

[Deuce_three]

Which nt engine do you have? if its the 4g63 then you have a potential 6 bolt block that can make good power if done right. You can take it to the next level and turbo it. I'm sure 9!'clipseDOHC will come look at this thread very soon.

 

[Tfitch90]

If he slaps a turbo on the n/t I got him blowing it up. Im not trying to down you but making the mistakes is all apart of modding cars. Save up like 1200 and get a 1g tsi or gsx/gst. Laugh out loud he called it nos.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

would be hard to turbo charge my engine or drop a turbo charged motor in my car or from what the other guy said just buy a turbo dsm and have fun with it.

It's not hard per say, but it does take time to acquire parts and can be rather expensive depending on what kind of deals you find. I spent a lot of time on this tech article which lists different options for you are far as converting your engine to turbo or doing a full engine swap. Check it out. http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-turbo-system-intercooler/48231-installing-turbo-4g63-into-nt-4g63.html. After reading that if you have any questions feel free to ask here.

Based on my personal experience modifying a 2.0 4G63 N/T, you won't much gains past the basic cat-back exhaust, intake, and tune up. The only way to make big power without going turbo is to rebuild the engine with very high compression forged pistons and probably still have to use nitrous. Then you would still need a fuel system, engine management, clutch, trans, etc. For all that work you could turbo it for less and make more power.

I'm sure the 4G63 N/T has potential if properly exploited, but no one really has because it's so easy to turbo because these cars came turbo stock. I know Paul from JNZ Tuning was building a monster 4G63 N/T, he spent a bunch of money, it's been years, and so far hasn't finished. I say enjoy your N/T as it is, or save up for a swap or buying a turbo car.

I know this is probably not the answer you were hoping for but I hope this helps!

Which nt engine do you have? if its the 4g63 then you have a potential 6 bolt block that can make good power if done right. You can take it to the next level and turbo it. I'm sure 9!'clipseDOHC will come look at this thread very soon.

Here I am

 

[phunny]

i just put a full exhaust system on my car and a new intake and was wondering what else could i get to get more power out of my engine anything would help

Just save whatever money you were going to put into that car for a new turbo dsm

 

[dsmman91]

thanks guys for the help ill just leave my car like it is and save the money for a tsi or gsx and if im going that route which of the cars is lightest or are they the same weight and give some mods for the one of those cars if i get one cause i might just try and sell mine now and see if i can get one and do some mods to it

 

[fourgsixthree33]

Look for a cheap turbo DSM and keep yours. Or you could sell your NA and buy one that way with spending money out of your pocket. Depends on what you want to do. I would suggest keeping your NA and buying a turbo DSM project. That way you aren't left without a vehicle every week unless you spend money for a well maintained turbo DSM.

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

thanks guys for the help ill just leave my car like it is and save the money for a tsi or gsx and if im going that route which of the cars is lightest or are they the same weight and give some mods for the one of those cars if i get one cause i might just try and sell mine now and see if i can get one and do some mods to it

Which is lighter? A front wheel drive The Eclipse/Talon/Laser's all weigh the same, it just depends on the options (ie, leather weights more then cloth, sunroof, etc).

For ideas for turbo mods, here you go: Tech Guide: 1G 4G63t Upgrades - DSMtuners

 

[Myndvast]

Yeah, I agree with using your current DSM as a DD. Hey that's what I am doing. My ESi is way fun to drive and has some good pick up. So I guess what I am saying is that it depends on your goals. If you want to open up the possibility of building your car for power that doesn't require spray, then its time for a turbo car. If you are cool with the power you already have but just want to tinker a little to see if you can refine what you already own, then add a bolt on here or there and tune as you go. I had to make the same decision and those options are what it came down to ultimately. I decided to refine my ESi, and enjoy owning her, while at the same time keep my eyes open for a 2G TSi/AWD which I intend to build for weekend fun.

 

[fourgsixthree33]

I wouldn't put much money into the NA unless doing maintenance. I made the same mistake when I was younger. Several bolt on mods with a very minimal gain in performance. If I could do it over again, I wouldn't do no more than a simple, cheap intake pipe with a K&N air filter. Maybe a cat-back exhaust. Those two things show the biggest improvement in performance IMO.

When I was a teenager, I thought they were fast cars. Then along came the TSi AWD. Boy was I wrong. If you saved for a turbo DSM, I guarantee you will be thanking yourself. If you want power and you want a DSM, save for a turbo DSM. That's all there is to it.

Know anybody with a turbo DSM in your area? I would ask to take it for a spin or to at least ride in it. Then you will understand.

 

[DSM1G90]

What I am now; have a 1.8L auto base Eclipse for my DD and my Turbo Laser when I want to have some insane moments and a good cruise on the freeway.

..and it's horrible when I'm DD'ing in town and I want to get around a slowpoke where I know I can do it in a quick with the Laser ..

-DSM

 

[n3xu5l3ak]

You know I don't agree with these guys. I have an na tsi awd. If you wanna spend money on this car you just gotta do it right so that if there isn't enough na powere for you you can still slap a turbo on it. The motor is an air pump, get more air in it and you need more fuel. More fuel and air means more exhaust, which means bigger exhaust, but not huge 2.5 is too big for na on our cars at least. (I have 2.5 and its loud and I lost low end torque coming from 2.25). First get forged pistons with no less than 9:1 compression and get the turbo cams and some longtube headers if you want a tubo from there your pistons will handle it and you can sell the headers for a turbo manifold. I have exhaust a hacked stock airbox an aem ignition and I am happy for now, but I have 10.5:1 wisecos on the way

 

[DSM1G90]

na tsi awd

that, I'd like to see .. an NT TSI AWD.

More fuel and air means more exhaust

and how are you managing all of this to keep your AF ratios in balance?

He did mention of waiting to get the right vehicle instead of doing the turbo mod...we'll leave it at that.

-DSM

 

[99gst_racer]

I have an na tsi awd.

Well, we all know it's possible. The question is, why? What's the point?

 

[Boostinsideways]

but not huge 2.5 is too big for na on our cars at least. (I have 2.5 and its loud and I lost low end torque coming from 2.25).

I don't understand this @ all. Maybe on a 1950s technology v-8 with pushrods and crap back pressure is important. But its just not important @ all on any modern FI 4 cyl. Back pressure is bad. Free flowing exhaust is good.

First get forged pistons with no less than 9:1 compression

This will up your horse power. But you need to run premium fuel

get the turbo cams

Slight upgrade over stock.

some longtube headers

No one makes tuned headers for a 4g63

if you want a tubo from there your pistons will handle it and you can sell the headers for a turbo manifold.

Also a 4g63 on has one header

I have exhaust a hacked stock airbox an aem ignition and

Stock ignition is fine for turbo but not a bolt on wonder boy n/t 4g63?

I am happy for now, but I have 10.5:1 wisecos on the way

If your going to that extent are just doing it for shits and giggles? with the cost of an engine build you might as well through a 16g and a 2g manifold on it too pick up a ecu from the junkyard and proper injectors. You can build a proper turbo kit for > 1500$ using nothing but OEM parts other people are trying to get rid of.

Try rebuilding your engine to get 10-20 hp your going to spend at least that, and thats not even including machine work.

I really hope if your doing a high comp build your going be running some n2o and revving to the moon, thats the only way your going squeeze a decent amount of power out of a 2.0 n/a.

You might be able to put 160 to wheels N/A without spray.

Basic mods list for a 4 banger N/T is :
Cold Air Intake
Header (4-2-1 or 4-1 not really long tube tuned designs for our cars)
High Flow Cat
2.5" Exhaust
Cams
Underdrive pulleys
AC Delete
Power Steering delete
Weight Reduction
Coilover suspension.

You could also look into twin pot calipers from a 3000 GT, or doing a brembo conversion using evo brembos. I think there a few sets of brackets floating around. You can do decent in auto cross with just brakes and tires. You can do really well with brakes, tires, and suspension.