New Ebay Intake Manifold

[OverBoostinGST]

Check it out

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DSM-...008QQitemZ180034143962QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Heres a comparison of the crappy "bulldog" intake manifold they were selling on ebay and this intake manifold.

http://www.hometown.aol.com/lordsofthepit/index.html

Now lets take a look at this "Magnus" rip off

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DSM-...020QQitemZ300033664935QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

What do you guys think?

 

[Slippi84]

Lots of ranting + Childish antics = nothing useful.

Thank you for your insight. You honestly think that because you buy more expensive parts for your car your some kinda of a smarter more enlightend safer moder your wrong. First off your precious safe car could have been one of the unlucky ones and hit crank walk around 40k even if you babied it and didn't mod it at all. That being as well known as it is shows that you can play it safe and still be sorry. That's not even the point the point is WHO THE #### ARE YOU to tell everyone that if they can't mod right, which by the way who the #### are you to say what's right and wrong, then don't mod at all. There is a thread over ten pages long about tons of guys who bought the cheap XS power fmic kit and have had nothin but success. I want you to go post your ranting over there about ebay parts sucking so they can run you out the thread and make you look like an ass with story after story of successful kits who have made dsmer's cars better and faster reliably. But hey they did it wrong right . Cheaper is sometimes just cheaper and not always worse. Yes there are things that people sell knowing they're not good but they sell hem anyway and people do get beat out of money. No one here is stupid we know there is a risk in buying ebay stuff. If someone looks at the risk of buying a ebay mani and decides it could work out for him and not break and he likes the price that's a educated descision he made and it's his descision to make a lone not anyone elses. So like I said untill you wanna fork up some money or start selling magnus mani's at ebay prices STFU

 

[Hal]

Hey man, if your going to be making statements like that you better have some facts backing behind them. I don't appreciate it otherwise, this is a evidential place, not a theoretical place.

An "evidential place"?

I offered these guys an opportunity to prove the performance on the dyno, and got no response.

Like the supraforums thread demonstrates, they don't care about how well it works. They just want to sell them.

Hal

 

[blackbyrd]

What guys, the seller on ebay? He obviously doesn't care, I totally agree. But, one of us could do the dyno and prove it just the same. I would if I hadn't just spent all of my money on an engine swap. I might have too just to end this ridiculously long thread, just to repeat the same stuff over and over and over.
I will admit the Magnus' more then likely would give more hp and flow ratings, over the Motoria. But, theres is still an improvement over stock.
Still though, no numbers, so who really knows..
And that guy on ebay hasn't responded to any of my emails. I have the feeling I'm going to have to get ebay and BBB involved for his false advertising.

BTW, As a cross comparison, do you think if we emailed a vendor of Magnus manifolds, they'd give us one to dyno?

And if your refferring to chicagoavenger's post on whoever made that review(supraforum?) Then that guy obviously didn't research enough to figure out they made two different manifolds which renders half of his review useless.
And I don't believe everything I read, especially in forums... Hmmm...WTF

 

[Hal]

How can you say there is an improvement over stock, have you tested it?

Where was it better than stock, where was it worse?

How much better, how much worse?

I know for a fact if I called Marco @ Magnus and asked for an intake to test, I'd get one... no questions asked (been there, done that).

Hal

 

[blackbyrd]

Haha, come on. I wasn't saying it really did, obviously, if you READ my sentence below, no numbers, so no one really knows.
I was trying to sympathize with you.
You call Marco @ Magnus and tell him you need an intake to test, and let us know. I'll do my best to get a few hundred bucks together, then we'll test all three on the same motor, how about that?

 

[Hal]

You call Marco @ Magnus and tell him you need an intake to test, and let us know. I'll do my best to get a few hundred bucks together, then we'll test all three on the same motor, how about that?

I already tested the Magnus and the distributor of this manifold has no interest in having it compared to others.

 

[blackbyrd]

Unfortunately, to get accurate results wouldn't the Magnus have to tested against the stock and the Motoria on the same engine? I mean I can test the Motoria to the stock, but you can't compare that to a graph of a different motor vs Magnus...
And BTW, the links off that link, don't work.

 

[Slippi84]

How can you say there is an improvement over stock, have you tested it?

Where was it better than stock, where was it worse?

How much better, how much worse?

I know for a fact if I called Marco @ Magnus and asked for an intake to test, I'd get one... no questions asked (been there, done that).

Hal

Well that's good to know but I don't have pull where I can just call up a company like magnus and go hey im trying to "test" yo manifold for tuners just send me the new model and i'll ship it back promise .


Edit: By the way there has already been a smim test and hate to break it to you but your beloved magnus wasn't even the best manifold. The venom turned out to have some of the best results and you RARELY hear people brag about the venom mani. Not to mention the stocker out performed all the smims untill like 6k but we won't get into when a smim is needed and when it actualy hurts performace that's a whole nother issue.

 

[GVR4592]

I guess you don't realize that the guy you are talking to is the same guy that did the intake manifold test you are referring to.

 

[DankDSM]

Edit: By the way there has already been a smim test and hate to break it to you but your beloved magnus wasn't even the best manifold. The venom turned out to have some of the best results and you RARELY hear people brag about the venom mani. Not to mention the stocker out performed all the smims untill like 6k but we won't get into when a smim is needed and when it actualy hurts performace that's a whole nother issue.

This is without retuning for each manifold. They set one tune on a stock manifold and then just swapped out other manifolds. This is a poor test comparison because you need to retune when you put on a new smim because you are flowing more. Just an fyi in case you couldnt read.

 

[Hal]

This is without retuning for each manifold. They set one tune on a stock manifold and then just swapped out other manifolds. This is a poor test comparison because you need to retune when you put on a new smim because you are flowing more. Just an fyi in case you couldnt read.

Wrong.

Volumetric efficiency (Airflow) doesn't change when you "tune" the car (unless you change the boost level, cam timing, or some other MECHANICAL adjustment).

It still takes in the same amount of air.

When you tune it, you are making more efficient use of the air to make horsepower.

If it's such a poor test, feel free to perform your own, after all you must know more about it than the makers of the manifolds who had no problem with the way the test was conducted.

Hal

 

[Hal]

Edit: By the way there has already been a smim test and hate to break it to you but your beloved magnus wasn't even the best manifold. The venom turned out to have some of the best results and you RARELY hear people brag about the venom mani. Not to mention the stocker out performed all the smims untill like 6k but we won't get into when a smim is needed and when it actualy hurts performace that's a whole nother issue.

The people who believe the Venom was the best are the people who fail to look at what was happening at the top of the curve.

The BJ & Magnus were still climbing, while the Venom had nearly flattened out.

It's well know that the "proven" manifolds such as Magnus & BJ's make much more power above the stock redline. The test was done to demonstrate how the manifolds would work for the "average" DSM'r. The results above the stock redline don't matter for most people.

BTW, the Venom tested is NOT the model available for purchase today. That's why they don't brag about it. Not very many people have one, or at least one where the throttle body flange hasn't cracked off.

 

[GreddyGst]

Thank you for your insight. You honestly think that because you buy more expensive parts for your car your some kinda of a smarter more enlightend safer moder your wrong. First off your precious safe car could have been one of the unlucky ones and hit crank walk around 40k even if you babied it and didn't mod it at all. That being as well known as it is shows that you can play it safe and still be sorry. That's not even the point the point is WHO THE #### ARE YOU to tell everyone that if they can't mod right, which by the way who the #### are you to say what's right and wrong, then don't mod at all. There is a thread over ten pages long about tons of guys who bought the cheap XS power fmic kit and have had nothin but success. I want you to go post your ranting over there about ebay parts sucking so they can run you out the thread and make you look like an ass with story after story of successful kits who have made dsmer's cars better and faster reliably. But hey they did it wrong right . Cheaper is sometimes just cheaper and not always worse. Yes there are things that people sell knowing they're not good but they sell hem anyway and people do get beat out of money. No one here is stupid we know there is a risk in buying ebay stuff. If someone looks at the risk of buying a ebay mani and decides it could work out for him and not break and he likes the price that's a educated descision he made and it's his descision to make a lone not anyone elses. So like I said untill you wanna fork up some money or start selling magnus mani's at ebay prices STFU

Hold up, 98eclipseRS has contributed a lot to the DSM community and you don't know who he is? Why do you use such harsh language towards him? He didn't diss you personally. He has a very good point that many new DSMers need to be aware of. There are tons of cases were a newbie decides to buy something cheap and goes wrong and blames the car. Do a search about cars not being reliable and you will find that majority don't have knowledge of our cars and that's why their cars are down. This thread is a good example, the only guy that decided to buy this manifold and test it out was bragging about how fast his car will be with very little money and how this manifold OWNS!!! then a couple of weeks later it arrived to his door and it didn't match up. Mission aborted and we probably won't hear about his 12sec car...

Nobody is saying that all Ebay is garbage..It works for those who are on a budget but is a big risk if you start purchasing everything on Ebay... turbo, wastegates, manifolds etc would just lead to problems and it has been proven that many of this products go bad after weeks/months of usage. If you're buying some clamps or hoses or intake pipe then yea thats not a problem. I myself bought the XS FMIC kit and I do recommend it but thats about the only Ebay performance purchase I will make. The XS FMIC kits was a big success but thats about the only Ebay product that is proven to be a good purchase and considering that the kit wasn't even a direct bolt on, there is custom work one has to do when installing it. I buy proven parts when is serious products which I can't risk of having blowing up on me while driving ex: turbo, smim, tubular manifolds, wastegates etc.

 

[1991GSXAWD]

Motoria is distributed by ssautochrome & xs-power, the seller is just using another account

 

[GVR4592]

Where did you get that information?

 

[1991GSXAWD]

I received a e-mail response after asking him a few questions about the intake, at the bottom of my e-mail both websites were listed

Sorry, all the information we have on this item is listed in the auction. Can not tell you what the future holds for new things. Thank you for your inquiry.
Please visit us on the web at
www.ssautochrome.com & www.xs-power.com. SW

Sellers ID: powerboost29

 

[GVR4592]

That's good to know. Now we all know not to buy that crap.

 

[Slippi84]

The people who believe the Venom was the best are the people who fail to look at what was happening at the top of the curve.

The BJ & Magnus were still climbing, while the Venom had nearly flattened out.

It's well know that the "proven" manifolds such as Magnus & BJ's make much more power above the stock redline. The test was done to demonstrate how the manifolds would work for the "average" DSM'r. The results above the stock redline don't matter for most people.

BTW, the Venom tested is NOT the model available for purchase today. That's why they don't brag about it. Not very many people have one, or at least one where the throttle body flange hasn't cracked off.

This is true and I don't even have to say it's true because as was stated you did the test and YES I AM AWARE YOU DID THE TEST for the other posters on here. The only point was that magnus did well but not the best. People keep referencing the magnus as if it were the end to all I just wanted to keep things in prospective. Anyway my harsh attitude 98eclipseRS is because I don't care if your John SHep you don't have the right to tell someone else what they should or shouldn't do with their car as if your way is the only way. Sometimes I feel like the more informed people on her get power crazy and feel like they are more than just smart and experienced car guys. You are not car gods or anything along those lines as the "wiseman" "Guru" or all those other titles people use for themselfs would lead newb's to believe. I am not saying 98eclipseRS isn't right about how some guys think they can go fast cheap or even saying he hasn't contributed as I bet he has but I don't think it's his place nor mine or anyone elses to say "If you can't afford to mod right don't mod at all". Fact of the mater is some people don't care how long there car last. You think the kid romping in the fields with his trucjk is worried about hmm I wonder how long my suspension will last? Some people buy cars to jus have fun and not worry because maybe they have another car or they have some other reason why it just doesn't matter. I don't agree or do it myself but I am no one to tell them not to do it cause I might disagree. My point is puting in your .02 and acting like the mod police are two diffrent things that's all.

 

[98eclipseRS]

^^^I wasn't trying to be a mod police I am trying to be a realist. Honestly, spending money on cars is THE SINGLE biggest waste of money you could do(short of burning it, or doing drugs or whatnot). I was just trying to educate some people on buying cheap shit. I used to do the same thing, "oh its cheap ill save a few bucks by buying the knock off and all will be good." I couldn't have been more wrong, and in the end, ended up spending more money than if I had just bought the quality peice in the first place.

I didn't even need to see or test the manifold to know it was garbage simply by the way their "rep," or whoever the guy on supra forums was, dealt with people. After doing the business thing and dealing with tons of people in the car community you can usually tell alot about a product simply by the way the people selling/making it conduct themselves. And, look what happened the guy that bought thsi thing couldn't even get it to bolt up because it was the wrong flange for the car.

People can do whatever they want with their money, but sometimes taking the advice of people who have been in the sitation prior and have some experience with what does and does not work can be beneficial. If noone wants to listen to me so be it, however, if one person does go "hmmm maybe he does have a good point." Does some research and ends up buying the quality part and doing it right the first time then my time and insight have been useful.

 

[GreddyGst]

^Agreed.

Yeah maybe people don't care on how they spend their money because they're spoil brats or have daddys money to spend. Truth is majority of us, use our hard earn money to buy car parts and this kind of information helps by not spending more money in the long run. Nobody is mandatoring anyone to mod a car one way, is just advice to prevent mistakes and save problems. Whether you(buyer) want to listen or not, is up to the buyer.

 

[Slippi84]

^Agreed.

Yeah maybe people don't care on how they spend their money because they're spoil brats or have daddys money to spend. Truth is majority of us, use our hard earn money to buy car parts and this kind of information helps by not spending more money in the long run. Nobody is mandatoring anyone to mod a car one way, is just advice to prevent mistakes and save problems. Whether you(buyer) want to listen or not, is up to the buyer.

Agreed. Every dsm guy has a part or two sitting around he bought and he ended up not neededing or going bigger or whatever the situation might be where the part went to waste and they end up selling it. These manifolds will more than likely fall under a similar situation for most people so pretty much educating people only goes as far as people want to be educated and listen and you just have to sit back and go i did my part thats' what these threads are for.

 

[Hal]

The only point was that magnus did well but not the best.

The best where, low end, mid range, top end? No one manifold did the best in all areas. The manifold that is the best for an auto-x car would not be the same as a drag car. Like wise a 2.3/2.4 might work better with a different manifold than a 2.0

No manifold did the best. If you think that's the case, you missed the entire point of the test.

Buying asian copies dilutes the return on investment from product development. When that happens, people stop doing new product development. It may save *you* (as an individual) a few dollars, but in the long run it costs us all.

Hal

 

[Slippi84]

The best where, low end, mid range, top end? No one manifold did the best in all areas. The manifold that is the best for an auto-x car would not be the same as a drag car. Like wise a 2.3/2.4 might work better with a different manifold than a 2.0

No manifold did the best. If you think that's the case, you missed the entire point of the test.

Buying asian copies dilutes the return on investment from product development. When that happens, people stop doing new product development. It may save *you* (as an individual) a few dollars, but in the long run it costs us all.

Hal

I understood the test just fine it was to show people the flow triats of a given manifold given a controll(a car running a 3065 and all the other bells and whistles) so that each individual could dtermine which manifold best suites their needs. That being said the stocker would flowed better then the magnus down low untill up top where yes smims shine. Then when the graph got to end which yes I understand a car truly needing and utilizing a smim would have reved to more like 8 maybe even 8.5k the magnus and other smims would have seprerated from the stocker. Even knowing that when the manifolds start to kick in the magnus STILL isn't the top floing manifold so that being said I think the real question is show me a area where the Magnus WAS the best. It didn't spool the fastest didn't have the flattest curve wasn't flowing the most at 7.5k so best case it surpasses the BJ manifold for 1k as if your reving higher then 8.5k you have or should have a pretty sick setup anyway where most of yoru car is one off's. This isn't even considering the fact that not every manifold was tested but that's another point.

 

[Hal]

I think the real question is show me a area where the Magnus WAS the best.

I'm confused, who ever said the Magnus WAS the best?

All manifolds submitted were tested, and were supplied either by owners, distributors, or came directly from the maker.

Can't test what wasn't made available for testing or that didn't exist at the time.

 

[Slippi84]

I'm confused, who ever said the Magnus WAS the best?

All manifolds submitted were tested, and were supplied either by owners, distributors, or came directly from the maker.

Can't test what wasn't made available for testing or that didn't exist at the time.

Ok I think this is getting way off the topic my only point was that everyone seems to keep comparing these manifold to the magnus mani while the magnus has been shown to blow and break just like the "crappy" ebay ones. YEs I know the odds game but it's still a fact that has to be considered.