New Ebay Intake Manifold

[OverBoostinGST]

Check it out

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DSM-...008QQitemZ180034143962QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Heres a comparison of the crappy "bulldog" intake manifold they were selling on ebay and this intake manifold.

http://www.hometown.aol.com/lordsofthepit/index.html

Now lets take a look at this "Magnus" rip off

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DSM-...020QQitemZ300033664935QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

What do you guys think?

 

[2gAWDTalon]

Could you measure the runner ports on the flange that bolts to the head.

I'd like to see how they compare in size to a 1g.

Do they sell them 1st and 2nd gen specific?

They do not offer a gen specific. When I first looked at these I thought they looked 2G, but I am not sure. I was going to compare when I pulled my manifold. If you know by the measurments I am about to give you please let me know.

Ok measured with a dial indicator they are exactly 62mm/2.441inch wide and 28.22mm/1.111inch tall. As you can see from this pics they are rectangle shape. is this consistant with a 2g or a 1g intake manifold?

 

[greengoblin]

The shape is right. I can more than liklely get the mesurment of a 1gen tomorrow. They appear to be closer to a 2g in the pics than a 1g to me. If some one has the measurments on hand please post it.

 

[blackbyrd]

hmm, Well it may not be horribly accurate.
But I was about to put my mani back on the block and figured i'd measure it.
All i have is a cm ruller w/ marks at every 1/10th(mm). Then going by halfs on that, or 1/20th(1/2mm).
I got,
6.05cm or 60.5mm
3.65cm or 36.5mm
hmf, are you sure you didnt mean 38.22mm?

 

[2gAWDTalon]

Mission aborted, I tryed to bolt it on and the flange was all off. I belive it would be alright, but I did not want to mess with it. I have a 1G head and it is not worth it to me. It looks like if you took and bored out all the holes a little it would fit. Also the flange for the TB is for a 1G TB, but it has 2G runners... WTF? On the T.B. the top holes interfear with the plenum. I picked up a 1G Magnus for 400 from my buddie. Is 400 good for a 1G Magnus? Sorry, I wanted to complete this test for us, but I did not feel it was worth it to risk my setup on it. JMF/Magnus is the way for us to go IMO.

 

[98eclipseRS]

Mission aborted, I tryed to bolt it on and the flange was all off. I belive it would be alright, but I did not want to mess with it. I have a 1G head and it is not worth it to me. It looks like if you took and bored out all the holes a little it would fit. Also the flange for the TB is for a 1G TB, but it has 2G runners... WTF? On the T.B. the top holes interfear with the plenum. I picked up a 1G Magnus for 400 from my buddie. Is 400 good for a 1G Magnus? Sorry, I wanted to complete this test for us, but I did not feel it was worth it to risk my setup on it. JMF/Magnus is the way for us to go IMO.

Sucks to hear you had all those problems, however, it is good in a way now you have a quality intake manifold(magnus) and you won't have problems from here on out.

 

[dsmclipse97]

Does the manifold look like it will fit on a 2G head? not sure if i read that right

 

[2gAWDTalon]

yes the ports look to match a 2G head, you probley are just going to need to hoag out the bolts holes on the flange.

I have lots of peace of mind with the Magnus.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

For 100$ more you could buy a brand new JMF manifold. You would be supporting a reputable vendor and you wouldn't have to put your money on the line hoping that this one "works out."

i was going to say the exact same thing. The SMIM above looks like a knock off of Jim's intake manifold anyway. Stick to the original that is built by a quality manufacturer that is a SUPPORTIVE member of the DSM community.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

oh geez i didn't see the pics posted on page 2 until now and with all do respect all i had to see was the "Motoria" on the SMIM. I would never buy anything from them. Every part i have seen come through my shop by these guys was pure shit and i met one of their reps at SEMA a few years ago and he literally said that "people usually don't care if it lasts a couple of months as long as it looks good." I mean what more do you need to know about a "manufacturer" if you can even call them that. They are one of the bigger knock off companies out there.

oh and the piece of shit rep even was gloating about all the great products they have been copying lately and how they have reps in the state that research popular products to knock off. god i wanted to hit this guy with one of his piece of shit intercoolers.

 

[dsmclipse97]

sounds violent. Im glad you didnt.

 

[wvturbo2]

I think everyone who owns a car is cheap on things, there are things that dsmers spend plenty of cash on and some people buy all the expensive high quality parts. Obviously if you have the money to buy a supra you have the money to buy expensive parts. I owned a 91 mr-2 turbo and it cost me more to purchase and i did buy the more expensive parts for it than i do my dsm, but i think it comes down to how much the person feels like putting into the car. I dont want to spend tons of money, because i wrecked my nitrous fed 4g64 3rd gen eclipse, my turbo mr-2, and now i have a dsm. I don't want to put to much money in and lose it all. I still don't like buying crap that is over priced just like any owner of a car. Excluding exotics .

That guy sounds like a total ###. There are some people that make quality parts for an affordable price. I do have a friend that made his own intake manifold as I'm sure many people do. I don't think everyone is a money hungry biotch looking around to give us crap. I do agree that knowing a rep says things like that would def keep me from buying.

 

[chicagoavenger]

Did anyone read this about them? Also What about this guys manifold he seems legit he tests his out against the others.

http://www.hometown.aol.com/lordsofthepit/page3.html

I just receive my sample Motoria eclipse intake manifold for 1g and 2g from Jinny over at Motoria manufacturing plant in Korea, I told her I would be considering buying 200 of them for resale in the USA if the quality was nice and she sent me a sample piece faster then you can shake a stick at .


Well in the world of under $400.00 DSM intake manifolds a new comer has popped up. The name MOTORIA, let me tell you a bit about this company. Well they are based in South Korea, they have 13 employees and have been building $5.00 SS mufflers and $5.00 struts bars along with there $6.00 crankshaft pulley. 4 months ago they got there hands on a Magnus 2g DSM intake manifold that was sent to them by a company in the USA and MOTORIA gave it there best try at building them and that is what you are seeing popping up on the Internet. The problem is it's nowhere near quality of a Magnus. To cut down on the material cost they used base thin wall aluminum sheeting, much SMALLER diameter runners, thinner throttle body flange,the throttle cable bracket is tack welded in place instead of full welds and the plenum volume is the smallest I have ever seen. The welds are bottom of the barrel.the polishing job is 6th grade quality, The throttle body flange on the sample manifold I ordered came in warped because the flange is only 3/8 inch thick,our manifold has half inch throttle body flanges to avoid warping., heat from the welds warp thin flanges. The only nice thing about this manifold is the price. If you make a large enough order from Motoria directly you will be able to get them in the $60.00 range each, but trust me this company will need a few more years building these before they understand what quality is. I must say, this one is beneath Bulldog Racing manifolds. It looks nice from a distance but it sure isn't going to last and the way they built it the power gains will not be very impressive on the 2g and doubtful if any gains with a 1g. The next problem I found will show you just how much research this company does when building there products, here it is and it's a biggy, the most important problem here is the flange, it is for the small intake port 2g DSM engine and yet they sell it for 1g and 2g. This means the 1g buyers, who have the large ports, will actually loose power at high boost with this manifold. That's right, the 1g factory manifold has much larger ports on the flange then the 2g, this is why nobody uses a 2g manifold on a 1g car. What this means is 2g owners are in the clear and will pick up a few ponies until it breaks, but 1g owners will lose power right from the gate if they use this manifold. I guess Motoria should have spent the money and asked for the Magnus 1g manifold to be sent to them too, hehehehe.this is just from my visual inspection,as soon when i get more time and my new digital camera gets here i will do a full comparison between the motoria korean manifold and my manifold with full pics and side by side shots and let you see how bad the quality of motoria is when compared to mine. Pictures can be very deceiving when a manifold is all alone, but when its next to a quality piece for a comparison photo, boy are the flaws able to be seen clearly. This is a 2g manifold that is being marketed as a 1g and 2g and it's bottom of the barrel in the quality department. First it's China being copy cats and now its Korea doing it. What's next, intake manifolds from Vietnam?? hehehehe oh yea here's the website to Motoria in Korea, I did all the research already for you, check it out and have a good laugh. http://www.motoria.co.kr

 

[98eclipseRS]

^^^I could have told you all that, oh wait I already did tell everybody all of that.

 

[scottsee]

Crap! I saw this on ebay today and was hopeing it was going to be a decent product! I was really intrested in a cheap 2g intake manifold for a ZEX dirrect port setup. Looks like I'm sticking with the stock 2g intake..

 

[Hal]

I kind of like Marco's new design.

This one is for a 1g, flanged for a Q45 with a second injector rail and the one in the back is a current design for a 2g.

Larger plenum for the higher air flow motors.

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[Cazzo Gigante]

Selling a product saying it will fit your car when it doesn't.

Take a look at the weld quality, it looks like it was welded by blinds monkeys on acid.

Look at the finish, horrible polish job

Look at the flanges, unfinished as you can see, no chamfers on the edges

Look at the port, unported, not hand finished like the magnus

No real velocity stack inside.

The flange look warped in the picture, havent been milled.

Look at the bends, sharp bends instead of a larger radius bend, means higher stress are, more prone to break.

To do the extra work to make that thing even compare to a MAGNUS you'd have to spend an extra 500 dollars on it.

BUY THE REAL THING PEOPLE

Look at the finished Magnus product compared to the other scrap. The Magnus is a ####ing work of art compared to that garbage.

And WOW, look at that new Intake, I'm calling Tommorow, I want one of those.

 

[BGRIPTP]

For 100$ more you could buy a brand new JMF manifold. You would be supporting a reputable vendor and you wouldn't have to put your money on the line hoping that this one "works out."

. I hear nothing but good from people who run these. I know for sure, this is what I will be running this spring.

 

[blackbyrd]

Selling a product saying it will fit your car when it doesn't.

The dealer on ebay's an asshole, quote from Motoria's website "DSM 1G/2G-with proper flange in each for different size of runners and ports ", they have two different models. There's also the different models(flanges) on ebay. Either way, has nothing to do with the product or manufacture, just the seller.

Take a look at the weld quality, it looks like it was welded by blinds monkeys on acid.

I have one of those working in my shop.

Look at the finish, horrible polish job

It's not horrible come on. It's half the price of Magnus and others who take the time to make it nice and shiny so we can see ourselves in it's relfection.

Look at the flanges, unfinished as you can see, no chamfers on the edges

No it doesn't look like it does.. But, it doesn't look like they do on the Magnus either, except for the throttle body flange. And, look at there other new manfiold below(Magnus). It doesn't either.. However they're all pictures and its really hard to notice small details like that.

Look at the port, unported, not hand finished like the magnus

No probably not, do you know the stock 2g sizes so we can verify if they're the same?

No real velocity stack inside.

Doesn't that make more of a difference in velocity in a N/A?

The flange look warped in the picture, havent been milled.

You working with a holographic monitor? I find it really hard to precision eye things to well under a mm with a 2D computer screen...
Or that they would send out a manifold that wasn't milled and would've been warped which would never mount up and seal, meaning they would get almost all of them returned and huge profit loss...
Oh and BTW Magnus screws up too, I had there intake manifold gasket and the bolt holes on it didnt even line up, maybe it wasn't milled too. haha.

Look at the bends, sharp bends instead of a larger radius bend, means higher stress are, more prone to break.

What bends are those??

To do the extra work to make that thing even compare to a MAGNUS you'd have to spend an extra 500 dollars on it.

Irrelevant.

BUY THE REAL THING PEOPLE

Not a bad idea.. Just didn't like the way presented it. However, I still would require hard evidence of these manifolds cracking and breaking.. Anyone? Maybe some dyno number too.. Everything else seems debatable.

Look at the finished Magnus product compared to the other scrap. The Magnus is a ####ing work of art compared to that garbage.

If it's all about show..

And WOW, look at that new Intake, I'm calling Tommorow, I want one of those.

Good sales pitch.. Makes me want one...


Anything else?

 

[Cazzo Gigante]

The dealer on ebay's an asshole, quote from Motoria's website "DSM 1G/2G-with proper flange in each for different size of runners and ports ", they have two different models. There's also the different models(flanges) on ebay. Either way, has nothing to do with the product or manufacture, just the seller.

Good job go defend your EBAY pirate, they do a lot of research on DSM's Maybe Brent Rau will get his next 6 second 4G63 motor from them.

I have one of those working in my shop.

It may just be you.

It's not horrible come on. It's half the price of Magnus and others who take the time to make it nice and shiny so we can see ourselves in it's relfection.

No not half the price, 2/3rds the price and you don't get half the quality, or all the features. Or any Factoy support or warranty. Not a deal in my book

No it doesn't look like it does.. But, it doesn't look like they do on the Magnus either, except for the throttle body flange. And, look at there other new manfiold below(Magnus). It doesn't either.. However they're all pictures and its really hard to notice small details like that.

My friend, you obviously have no eye for quality. Nor have you any experience in the field of craftsmanship, if you would even want put them in the same category, it is clear you should not even be alowed to make such statements based on the fact that you haveno experience. I have had 3 of those pieces in my hands, and I can inform you, Motowhatever is not in the same league as Magnus.

No probably not, do you know the stock 2g sizes so we can verify if they're the same?
Doesn't that make more of a difference in velocity in a N/A?

Right there shows me proof that you are a keyboard engineer that probably bought his degree from some EBAY website.

You working with a holographic monitor? I find it really hard to precision eye things to well under a mm with a 2D computer screen...

I am an engineer, and I have 8 years experience as a machinist, and I have my welding ticket. I can spot quality from a mile away.

Anything else?

Yes thank you for posting that, it is blatantly clear why Our great country will soon be gobbled up by the Chinese, because idiots like you would rather go and spend your money to give to some sweatshop on the other side of the planet who are gonna invest in building a nuke that will kill all of us. Instead of keeping your money in USA or CANADA; USA's greatest ally, you will make sure that the KOREANS AND CHINESE will all have enough money to buy themselves a nice 50 megaton Rocket to kill idiots like you. YES keep thinking like this FOOL. SEND ALL YOUR MONEY TO CHINA, THEY WILL SOON OWN YOU ALL. WHEN 1 BILLION CHINESE COME LOOKING FOR YOUR ASS I'LL BE GLAD TO HAVE AN AMERICAN MADE M16 to take out them sunsabitches NOT A CHINESE MADE WALMART SPECIAL.

Good day.

 

[eclipsegsx1736]

Yes thank you for posting that, it is blatantly clear why Our great country will soon be gobbled up by the Chinese, because idiots like you would rather go and spend your money to give to some sweatshop on the other side of the planet who are gonna invest in building a nuke that will kill all of us. Instead of keeping your money in USA or CANADA; USA's greatest ally, you will make sure that the KOREANS AND CHINESE will all have enough money to buy themselves a nice 50 megaton Rocket to kill idiots like you. YES keep thinking like this FOOL. SEND ALL YOUR MONEY TO CHINA, THEY WILL SOON OWN YOU ALL. WHEN 1 BILLION CHINESE COME LOOKING FOR YOUR ASS I'LL BE GLAD TO HAVE AN AMERICAN MADE M16 to take out them sunsabitches NOT A CHINESE MADE WALMART SPECIAL.
Good day.

you will make sure that the KOREANS AND CHINESE will all have enough money to buy themselves a nice 50 megaton Rocket to kill idiots like you

First of all, the Chinese already have plenty of nuclear weapons, and had them looonng before they started making SMIMs for DSMs ....and North Korea and South Korea are two VERY different places. We don't buy anything from North Korea, and South Korea is our ally. Don't confuse them. Learn your history.

Now lets here some more info on this SMIM.

 

[Coal Sausage]

I sware to god some of you guys would buy splitpie off ebay if it was 10 cents cheaper then the whore on the corner and wait 7 months for her to ship it to your stupid asses.

I wonder if this manifold is disease free? To hell with it, I hope you bastards catch the gonabirdflumadcowdihepatitahiv from this foreigner made hunk of bastardized aluminum dogshit.

 

[blackbyrd]

I wasn't defending them, I was trying to keep this thread fair and balanced as your biased opinons would be read by many and just assumed to be true.

I wasn't defending them more or less, I was trying to keep this thread fair and balanced, as your post will be read by many and just assumed to be true. And if you read the post, I would've actually been defending the company/manufacture which has nothing to do with ebay or that seller.. READ.

It may just be you.

No.. It was an inappropriate and illogical statement.

No not half the price, 2/3rds the price and you don't get half the quality, or all the features. Or any Factoy support or warranty. Not a deal in my book

It's 53% of the price for the Magnus. Basic Math? 350/660=.5303_
Oh, and there starting bid, and some selling prices are for 250$... Do the math on that one, 250/660=.378_ Thats 37%, or almost ONE THIRD of Magnus'.
And you really need to do some research before you start talking, all Motoria intake manifolds come with a LIFETIME WARRANTY..

My friend, you obviously have no eye for quality. Nor have you any experience in the field of craftsmanship, if you would even want put them in the same category, it is clear you should not even be alowed to make such statements based on the fact that you haveno experience. I have had 3 of those pieces in my hands, and I can inform you, Motowhatever is not in the same league as Magnus.

I am not your friend. However you didn't rebute my specific statement about chamfers. You couldn't because I was right, Magnus only has them on TB flange. Look at there new Magnus it doesnt have it. What does that tell you? It's just about looks. And yes I never said they were in the same league. The Magnus has a much nicer finish and overall appearance, But does that effect quality? And I've had no experience in craftsmanship? I didn't go attacking you as a person and you shouldn't either. Especially when I've been building houses for over a decade. If that's not craftsmanship, I'm not sure what is.

Right there shows me proof that you are a keyboard engineer that probably bought his degree from some EBAY website.

Very intelligent statement. Try Electrical Engineer, and I have been building computers since before Microsoft, so I deserve a little respect if nothing else.

I am an engineer, and I have 8 years experience as a machinist, and I have my welding ticket. I can spot quality from a mile away.

You can't tell that it's warped on a computer screen, impossible. And even if you could, like I said, Motoria would not sell warped intakes, or ones that weren't milled, because they would get them sent back to them, and loose profit. Do you know how to run a business? I'm sure they do, even if that's all they care about(not the product so much). Then what about my Magnus that was messed up? Just dismiss that.. And all the other errors made by Magnus and everyone else.. I believe the statement is human error. Either way, you can't prove it's warped.

Yes thank you for posting that, it is blatantly clear why Our great country will soon be gobbled up by the Chinese, because idiots like you would rather go and spend your money to give to some sweatshop on the other side of the planet who are gonna invest in building a nuke that will kill all of us. Instead of keeping your money in USA or CANADA; USA's greatest ally, you will make sure that the KOREANS AND CHINESE will all have enough money to buy themselves a nice 50 megaton Rocket to kill idiots like you. YES keep thinking like this FOOL. SEND ALL YOUR MONEY TO CHINA, THEY WILL SOON OWN YOU ALL. WHEN 1 BILLION CHINESE COME LOOKING FOR YOUR ASS I'LL BE GLAD TO HAVE AN AMERICAN MADE M16 to take out them sunsabitches NOT A CHINESE MADE WALMART SPECIAL.

I don't even have to respond that, it's been reported to the Mods. Another typical american, with his guns and booze, scared to death of the rest the world. Grow up, evolve, use your brain, and learn not to be so racist.

Good day.

It shall be.

I find it funny you didnt respond to any of my technical questions or offer any facts. Which totaly dismisses any validity of your posts.

No probably not, do you know the stock 2g sizes so we can verify if they're the same?
Doesn't that make more of a difference in velocity in a N/A?
What bends are those?? If you could please point out the BENDS in this manifold..
If you could please give me some hard evidence that this is truly a POS over Magnus, great.. Until then there is no debate. We are scientist, without facts there's only speculation. I need Dyno Graphs, and at the least a list of these Intake manifolds that have cracked... ANYONE?!

I sware to god some of you guys would buy splitpie off ebay if it was 10 cents cheaper then the whore on the corner and wait 7 months for her to ship it to your stupid asses.

I wonder if this manifold is disease free? To hell with it, I hope you bastards catch the gonabirdflumadcowdihepatitahiv from this foreigner made hunk of bastardized aluminum dogshit.

Read above on my posts about Americans.. Come on people, this is 2006, Humanity's never going to survive at this rate. Post has been reported.

 

[Slippi84]

I don't know about the seller and I don't realy care. I believe he's a tool and that he doesn't care about how good the smims are just that they sell. Welcome top america. If you only knew how many BIG companies that have nothing to do with cars have that same attitude maybe you would post about them too. How many of you guys think Walmart does R&R on their sandals or Kmart . Your naieve and unrealistic to think everything is either quality op of the line or it shouldn't be bought. Who are you to tell someone else that the way they built there car is a waste. The one guy who said he's 21 and a kid and looking out for everyone your full of shit. Why don't you stop wasting your time down talkin everyone else and go do some of that quality controll your so big on. Saying that the comunity is takin a turn for the worse your right. When people can't go and seek parts that fit their OWN budget and not YOUR budget without being called a cheap waste it is getting worse. WHo are you to tell a guy to get something else if he can't save up for a magnus. Guys like you are the reason I love hearing stories of guys going fast with budget builds. Just fwi I have a SportCompact magazine from last year and on the cover it says something along the lines of Budget beaters or Going Fats cheap or w/e and take a wild guess which car out of maybe 3 is front center on the cover????? So untill you want to start selling parts for a price EVERYONE can afford don't tell EVERYONE how to build there cars

 

[98eclipseRS]

blah blah blah...blah blah...blah blah blah:

Actually I was just looking out for everyone. If you can't afford the mods don't mod the ####ing car its really not that hard of a concept. If YOU want to go WASTE your money on some POS manifold then so ####ing be it. But when you car blows up don't come back on here like all the other children talking about how unreliable these cars are. There is a reason my car doesn't break and many of the people who do it cheap do break. Because they tried to mickey mouse everything and now its comming back to bite them in the ass. Go ahead and waste your money on this shit its already been stated that the thing didn't fit despite being told it would. Despite the fact that you can SEE from the pictures that the product is crap.

Sure you COULD run 12's for 1k but your cars not going to run for 7months out of the year.

 

[blackbyrd]

Hey man, if your going to be making statements like that you better have some facts backing behind them. I don't appreciate it otherwise, this is a evidential place, not a theoretical place.
And about it not fitting, like I stated, I have discovered that they sell two different manifolds, as obviously the 1g and 2g heads are different. That is the sellers fault, he's obviously a douche/or didn't know. But, unfortantly a lot of sellers are, even those of the big name distributors.... Motoria does make manifolds that fit up to 1g's to reiterate.
I've emailed the seller on ebay and requested he change his infomation, If he doesnt within a few days he'll be reported and we won't have to worry about getting the wrong manifold from him..