New Ebay Intake Manifold

[OverBoostinGST]

Check it out

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DSM-...008QQitemZ180034143962QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Heres a comparison of the crappy "bulldog" intake manifold they were selling on ebay and this intake manifold.

http://www.hometown.aol.com/lordsofthepit/index.html

Now lets take a look at this "Magnus" rip off

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DSM-...020QQitemZ300033664935QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

What do you guys think?

 

[95-talontsi]

Please do and post back here. I am interested.

Just so everyone knows, the last manifold posted the "Motoria" is a ssautochrome/xspower peice. Another FYI, SSAutochrome/XSPower dosent make anything, it is all bought from a china supply company
With XSPower items, you have to take quality piece by piece, like there Intercooler kits are awsome, but there maniolds and tubos suck a big one. They are probley made by differant manufactures.

Other than pics on the internet and stuff you have read on the internet what proof do you have that there manifolds and turbos suck? cause well my 10000 mile ebay turbo is doing GREAT

 

[98eclipseRS]

Other than pics on the internet and stuff you have read on the internet what proof do you have that there manifolds and turbos suck? cause well my 10000 mile ebay turbo is doing GREAT

Regardless of what your turbo is doing the manifolds are garbage and the guy selling them on ebay is a peice of shit who wants nothing more than to make money off dsmers by selling cheap knock off parts because he knows the majority are to cheap to buy the real thing. There was a big thread on the motoria manifolds on supra forums where the guy selling them said he had a bunch of cheap manifolds he had to unload and he didn't care about quality because he didn't care about the dsm community. Not exactly someone worth supporting wouldn't you agree?

 

[2gAWDTalon]

Other than pics on the internet and stuff you have read on the internet what proof do you have that there manifolds and turbos suck? cause well my 10000 mile ebay turbo is doing GREAT

I have owned over 10 of them, 9 on Hondas and 1 on a Mitsu, all bit the donkey dong after a few thousand miles. The wost faluiar I had was one that split the compressor cover right down the middle. I am happy for you that you are doing good with yours! is it a XSPower turbo or a Turbo bought from somone else? They do sell real EVO 3's, Garrett, Mitsu, PTE, AMS, Turbonetics and other turbos on ebay. They dont all just come from the Ebay Product Factory. Also, did you run the 14.148 @ 102.71 listed in your profile on that big bad 20G?

 

[2gAWDTalon]

There was a big thread on the motoria manifolds on supra forums where the guy selling them said he had a bunch of cheap manifolds he had to unload and he didn't care about quality because he didn't care about the dsm community. Not exactly someone worth supporting wouldn't you agree?

Did you know they come from a China Supply Company? So this Chinese man was on the American Supra forums? They are made in China, just like the turbos, IC Kits ect...
Do you have link to the discussion, I would like to see it.

 

[GreddyGst]

Did you know they come from a China Supply Company? So this Chinese man was on the American Supra forums? They are made in China, just like the turbos, IC Kits ect...
Do you have link to the discussion, I would like to see it.

You didn't get it. He said the kits are made in china, BUT the guy selling it who lives in the U.S. can careless how the quality is. He just bought a lot of them (from china) to sell on Ebay to the dsm community.

I would not support something like that. The sad thing is..everything is true, most DSMers are cheap and Ebay XS vendors know this so it works for them

 

[scturbospyder]

Yeah, you can get a used Magnus or some reputable intake manifold for $50-$100 more. It may be used but it's still better quality.

 

[2gAWDTalon]

Right, right....
I searched and found that thread he was referring to...
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/printthread.php?t=381565&page=4&pp=25
Mostly shit talking and it seems as if there are some prior issues between these people.
I did not find where he said he did not care about the quality, the guy even said if people don't like them, they can send them back for a refund! Oh and I was wrong, apparently they are a South Korean Company. You can view there website here...
http://www.motoria.co.kr/

Whatever it doesn't matter, what does matter is that yes, we DSMers are cheap, isn't that why we drive DSM's? They can run 11's for not that much money. Com-on, when they run, they are a performance bargain. Honda Boys drop 5 Grand into there cars and run 13's on stock blocks, smart DSM'ers drop 3 -5 grand and run high 11's, ghetto style.

What matters the most here, we have the opportunity to get a SMIM that we all want for a little cheaper and I am buying one to test it out for us. I will post better and closer pics and try to do any kind of test requested.

 

[98eclipseRS]

Right, right....
I searched and found that thread he was referring to...
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/printthread.php?t=381565&page=4&pp=25
Mostly shit talking and it seems as if there are some prior issues between these people.
I did not find where he said he did not care about the quality, the guy even said if people don't like them, they can send them back for a refund! Oh and I was wrong, apparently they are a South Korean Company. You can view there website here...
http://www.motoria.co.kr/

Whatever it doesn't matter, what does matter is that yes, we DSMers are cheap, isn't that why we drive DSM's? They can run 11's for not that much money. Com-on, when they run, they are a performance bargain. Honda Boys drop 5 Grand into there cars and run 13's on stock blocks, smart DSM'ers drop 3 -5 grand and run high 11's, ghetto style.

What matters the most here, we have the opportunity to get a SMIM that we all want for a little cheaper and I am buying one to test it out for us. I will post better and closer pics and try to do any kind of test requested.

The OP edited alot of his posts to seem alot more unbiased. He however said the things I am refering too you'll just have to take my word for it I guess. The Ball Bearing Supra guy used to be a member on this site as well as other dsm sites and has alot of history(negative), I know you haven't been here that logn so you don't know the history with him.

As for buying dsms to be cheap. No, we don't buy dsms to be cheap. The old saying of dsmers was "go fast with class." We are not honda guys, honda guys normally do the ghetto shit. Now the tables have turned for the worse. The honda guys are spending big bucks for the real deal shit and dsmers are now the cheap morons. Being cheap is not good, never. I kept hearing the old saying "mod cheap mod twice," I never beleived I was held to that I thought I was different. Trust me on this one I have been "around the block" so to speak with dsms and modding in general and you always ALWAYS get what you pay for. If you feel like supporting a douche that has nothing better to do than make a quick buck of people who have the reputation for being cheap then so be it, but you and everyone else who does it kills the small market there is for us and sooner or later there won't be any dsm vendors left. Just a bunch of hack shops wanting to make a quick buck.

 

[blackbyrd]

Hey man, you want to get me a material and labor time sheet for making your manifolds?
Because, I bet I can guess it pretty close. And it isn't close to 600.
You sound really hateful and bias towards your competitors, towards ebay, and everyone. I'm just saying, you shouldn't try to make the dsm community poor, forcing people to find cheaper routes.
I would love to support the big vendors, I just can't seem to afford it.
Quit dividing us DSMers in classes! hahaha
and calm down geez

 

[2gAWDTalon]

I am not going to comment on this other stuff anymore.
I will report back with pics in a couple of days and result by the weekend hopfully.

 

[blackbyrd]

Thank you! I would love to hear the results, and a lot of people would, definitely post back!

 

[98eclipseRS]

Hey man, you want to get me a material and labor time sheet for making your manifolds?
Because, I bet I can guess it pretty close. And it isn't close to 600.
You sound really hateful and bias towards your competitors, towards ebay, and everyone. I'm just saying, you shouldn't try to make the dsm community poor, forcing people to find cheaper routes.
I would love to support the big vendors, I just can't seem to afford it.
Quit dividing us DSMers in classes! hahaha
and calm down geez

I don't make parts I just sell them(unless someone wants something like an o2 housing made or exhaust etc.. that live locally). I am just a kid(21) trying to do somethign I love and help out enthusiast by offering competative prices and good customer service. I am not hateful towards my competitors in any way shape or form and support the majority of vendors from any community in all ways. Who I don't support are shops that cheat, steal, and lie to make a dollar. I also don't support vendors that don't care about a community they sell to. Why sell to that market if you can't stand them or don't care for them??

I secondly don't divide dsmers into classes. I help out any dsmer, you can ask anyone from the bay area about me, and I think you would be hard pressed to find someone say something bad about me. What I don't like to see is dsmers selling themselves short. If you can't afford a quality peice either save up or buy something you can afford that would help you out as well. My car didn't get peiced together over night. It has taken me nearly 3 years for my car to get to where it is.

If someone wants to buy one of these ebay manifolds that's their decision I am just trying to educate some of the newer or more inexperienced members to stear clear of somethign that will cost them more money in the long run.

 

[blackbyrd]

Why sell to that market if you can't stand them or don't care for them??

Money.. Isn't that what its always about? haha
Sorry I was confused what kind of vendor you were, I thought you made the manifolds. And, I'm sure you help out dsmers, absolutely nothing against you.. Was speaking more to the big guys I guess.
And I just jump in to keep the debate fair and balanced!
Maybe if someone would go out and find me 10 links to that smim that cracked, we would be equal.. haha.

 

[Coup D E'Tat]

My warrantied (new) SMIM is in the mail. I'm guessing it'll be here Thurs, latest. I'm going to see if I can make a pass tomorrow just as a baseline. Maybe I'll compare it to some older logs of mine (with the SMIM) and post it up.

We'll see how the car cooperates.

 

[GreddyGst]

smart DSM'ers drop 3 -5 grand and run high 11's, ghetto style.

Yeah okay. Maybe one or two can pull that off with some luck. Majority of DSM can't do that and the ones that try never hit 11s. Keep dreaming, all you do is make things worse and because you thought you can make it fast and cheap, well guess what, your car is now down, not running properly, several problems and you get frustated and start rumors of how unreliable DSMs are. You sell it to some guy who thinks wow what a great purchase and you passed on a car with problems, new owner has problems and the cycle continues with the unreliable titles. Our cars require more than 3grand to make it run 11s, here is a very true quote. Take time and read it

Personally, I wish people would only buy DSMs for the right reasons and hopefully they know what they're getting into. I'd bet that 90% of those who end up turning around and selling them were thinking they could buy one for cheap and make it run 11's for a little bit more (and keep it reliable at the same time). Most peoples' initial idea of a DSM is what gets them in trouble. They don't anticipate the costs of trying to make a car with 195-210 stock HP put out 400 HP or the downtime. The initial cost of making it fast is one thing but how about when it breaks because it wasn't meant to put out that kind of power. Not only that, but no car is ever as reliable as it was stock. So when you start modifying it, you really have to know your shit or the car will never run right. Some people never get their DSM to run right as they modify it - if that's the case you should take it to a pro who specializes in DSMs. And you should anticipate that extra cost when buying a DSM.

It's not easy. It's not cheap. And it's not going to be a car that you can drive around while you build it up. You should have a daily driver on the side when building a DSM to go fast. You should treat the DSM as a full on race car. This goes for just about any car where you're trying to double the HP output. That's just how it goes. Fast cars are an expensive hobby. Not everyone has the cash to play with. When I hear about people selling their DSM because it's a money pit, I wonder what they're buying instead. If it's another car they plan on making fast, I just shake my head. Who knows, maybe they'll have better luck. I haven't heard of a car out there yet that isn't a money pit when you try and modify it to go faster than super cars.

Owning a DSM is an enlightening experience. It truly is a lifestyle more than hobby. It's challenging and it makes you ask yourself how much effort you're really willing to put in to go fast. It's not for everyone.

Truth hurts. But hey, is your car. Do what you want, sucks to have a AWD car go to waste like that

 

[2gAWDTalon]

Ok mabey I phrased that the wrong way, what I mean is that our cars are a performance bargin IMO. They are a good platform to start on and you get alot of bang for your buck when you start upgrading.

Truth hurts. But hey, is your car. Do what you want, sucks to have a AWD car go to waste like that

^^^^ What you mean Go to waste? My car is far from going to waste... Oh and the truth is not hurting me, I am loving the performance I am getting from what I have done to my car.

 

[95-talontsi]

I have owned over 10 of them, 9 on Hondas and 1 on a Mitsu, all bit the donkey dong after a few thousand miles. The wost faluiar I had was one that split the compressor cover right down the middle. I am happy for you that you are doing good with yours! is it a XSPower turbo or a Turbo bought from somone else? They do sell real EVO 3's, Garrett, Mitsu, PTE, AMS, Turbonetics and other turbos on ebay. They dont all just come from the Ebay Product Factory. Also, did you run the 14.148 @ 102.71 listed in your profile on that big bad 20G?

Yes I did. I bought from some one else but it is a knock off cause it has dsm evo 3 turbo stamped on it

 

[2gAWDTalon]

Yes I did. I bought from some one else but it is a knock off cause it has dsm evo 3 turbo stamped on it

evo 3? your profile says it is a td05 20g?

 

[2gAWDTalon]

Ok, today I recived the eGay SMIM, hehe. I have some good pics i think, please let me know what you all think about the build and the welds. I really dont know much about a tig weld... IMO... the manifold looks ok, the welds look runny (mabey to fast in the hand?) the runners inside the plenum look a little rough. If you want any other pics or a close up of somthing, let me know. There are alot of pics here though.

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[95-talontsi]

Time to bolt it on and see how it takes to the boost and heat

 

[blackbyrd]

The welds look decent! Let us know how it holds up. Are you doing any kind of benchmarks?
haha, BTW I got that same mp3 player/etc in your first picture. 15 bucks on ebay, can't beat it!

 

[TalonESIT]

I have owned over 10 of them, 9 on Hondas and 1 on a Mitsu, all bit the donkey dong after a few thousand miles. The wost faluiar I had was one that split the compressor cover right down the middle. I am happy for you that you are doing good with yours! is it a XSPower turbo or a Turbo bought from somone else? They do sell real EVO 3's, Garrett, Mitsu, PTE, AMS, Turbonetics and other turbos on ebay. They dont all just come from the Ebay Product Factory. Also, did you run the 14.148 @ 102.71 listed in your profile on that big bad 20G?

Don't mean to open a can of worms, but why did you go through 10?! "Fool me once or twice shame on them"...but 10?! shame on you... even if they were free and under warranty. If the 2nd one was crap too no doubt the rest would too.

I do agree with you about some dealers selling the real turbos; the main risk of buying ebay turbos is that the first thing one worries is "Will this turbo break", no one thinks that when buying the authentic garretts and other turbos. Thats the main concern as to why people rip on ebay companies.


Also, I hope that intake mani is working out for you... looks real solid!

 

[2gAWDTalon]

Cool, I was going to make a few pulls logging airflow and the normal parameters with DSMLink and then install this and make a few more pulls with the logs. Any suggestions? A Dyno is out of the question because I am waiting untill I install my 272's and buy/install water-meth injection. If anyone needs one of these, pm me, I got da hook up.

 

[2gAWDTalon]

Don't mean to open a can of worms, but why did you go through 10?! "Fool me once or twice shame on them"...but 10?! shame on you... even if they were free and under warranty. If the 2nd one was crap too no doubt the rest would too.

I do agree with you about some dealers selling the real turbos; the main risk of buying ebay turbos is that the first thing one worries is "Will this turbo break", no one thinks that when buying the authentic garretts and other turbos. Thats the main concern as to why people rip on ebay companies.

A few (4) were warrenties and the other Honda were on friends cars. The DSM turbo was free.

 

[greengoblin]

Could you measure the runner ports on the flange that bolts to the head.

I'd like to see how they compare in size to a 1g.

Do they sell them 1st and 2nd gen specific?