Junk Electric Supercharger or Turbo [Merged 1-7] intake fan gimmick

[dTERM]

http://www.electricsupercharger.com/


Anyone used this? They claim 5-15 HP gains...even on an already compressed intake system. 1-3 pounds of boost from an electric fan for $300. Let's hear it, anyone got one, anyone got pics? Howabout dyno test scores? The ones on the web site look good...but they ARE selling it.

 

[keymaster]

Make sure to have a spare battery or three on hand. The REAL electric superchargers use like 6 deep cycle gel marine batteries to power them.

 

[speedy_talon28]

yes, I'll run a baseline using g-tech pro before and after. just keep in mind that I'm running a 2.5 inch catback exhaust system

 

[speedy13]

Tell you what, speedy_talon28: Go dyno your car as it is right now. Get a baseline horsepower number. Install the electric supercharger that you have decided on. Dyno again and post the results for everyone to see.

This does a few things:
-A. It settles once and for all any possible increase in horsepower that may or may not come from this type of modification. Your experience will be used in the future for any other tuner looking into this as a possibility. Your results will be linked to and referred to as "a verifiable experiment," and you could make a whole tech article out of your install and testing processes. Cool, huh?
-B. A dyno test will give you an objective look at how much performance you may or may not have gained, rather than you coming back here after you install it and saying "My car feels faster." That means absolutely nothing to 99% of the people here. We want a dyno graph showing exactly how the hp/torque curve of your car changed.

If you've already decided on getting it or have already paid for it and are just waiting for it to be delivered, why not turn your purchase into a productive experience for the rest of DSMtuners and try dyno-testing it for the rest of us?

I agree.This is the best post on this whole thread(besides the hot girl with the hair drier). Good luck on that install.

 

[ilikespeeding]

Why dont you just have the blower hooked to a source from underneath the car pointing toward the airfilter but not in the air tract. As soon as you turn it on, itll push cold air right under the filter?

 

[impuresoul2k3]

Why dont you just have the blower hooked to a source from underneath the car pointing toward the airfilter but not in the air tract. As soon as you turn it on, itll push cold air right under the filter?

Because then that would totally defeat the purpose.

 

[speedy_talon28]

Sorry, but I will have to dyno the car tomorrow after work because I have too many things to do today

 

[speedy_talon28]

Sorry, I won't be able to dyno my car untill my exhaust system and other problems are fixed

 

[mathew82284]

Why dont you just have the blower hooked to a source from underneath the car pointing toward the airfilter but not in the air tract. As soon as you turn it on, itll push cold air right under the filter?

Hhmmm you just gave me an Idea . We should but an electric supercharger from ebay for like $80 and use it to push cold air into the filter or into the intercooler?!? Or maybe have it pushing cold air onto the turbo and maifold to help keep it cool? i mean from the bottom not from where the electric fan already does for more cooling power. could be a usefull $50-80 tool.

 

[AndrewD5418]

This electronic supercharger performs just as good as a Front Mount Interfooler.

 

[MrBoxx]

use it to push cold air into the filter or into the intercooler?!?

Possibly a good idea, except once it's been put through the compressor of a supercharger, it's not exactly "cold" anymore. Remember, pressurizing air makes it hot, thus the need for an intercooler.

 

[2DaTrakNow]

This electronic supercharger performs just as good as a Front Mount Interfooler.

I dont understand what you mean by that. How does an electric supercharger perform just as good as a FMIC? They are two completely different things. A supercharger produces more air/pressure, a FMIC just cool the air that is being sent through it. WTF

 

[AndrewD5418]

I dont understand what you mean by that. How does an electric supercharger perform just as good as a FMIC? They are two completely different things. A supercharger produces more air/pressure, a FMIC just cool the air that is being sent through it. WTF

I believe you didn't read the word interfooler correctly?

 

[2DaTrakNow]

Possibly a good idea, except once it's been put through the compressor of a supercharger, it's not exactly "cold" anymore. Remember, pressurizing air makes it hot, thus the need for an intercooler.

Don't forget that you need a ton of pressure to add temp. The pressurized air coming out of your turbo is mostly warm from the turbo or supercharger temp. Not because its pressurized.

 

[wret]

Don't forget that you need a ton of pressure to add temp. The pressurized air coming out of your turbo is mostly warm from the turbo or supercharger temp. Not because its pressurized.

Ahh..., and how does the compressor get so warm I wonder?

 

[2DaTrakNow]

Ahh..., and how does the compressor get so warm I wonder?

Yes...i know that the compressor makes heat and gets warm.

On a turbo, you can not tell me that the compressor gets as hot as it does from spinning fast and building pressure. Its main source of heat is from the motor/exhaust. On an electronic supercharger, it will make heat. It will make heat from spinning somewhat fast, and because of the pressure it builds. It wont exactly be "cold", but it won't be anything close to being hot enough for an IC.

 

[2DaTrakNow]

I believe you didn't read the word interfooler correctly?

Sorry! Thats my bad, i was kind of reading it quickly.

 

[92fasttalon]

Soo, you are hooking a "blow dryer" up to your car?
Good luck with that. I guess it couldn't hurt.

thats all i gotta say abou that

 

[AndrewD5418]

Sorry! Thats my bad, i was kind of reading it quickly.

Now I see that you get it.

 

[ilikespeeding]

The amount of heat a compressor generates is directly related to the heat of the source precompressed air. The hotter the source, the hotter the output. So, if you had cold ambiant air from the bottom of the car, you'd have less heat than the compressor in the engine bay sucking in from the airbox. In addition, the compressor wouldnt serve as resistance while not on.

 

[Kanda]

The reason that intercoolers are necessary, and more necessary as boost increases is just pure science. Compressed air heats up due to molecular changes.

The increase of temperature of a gas under pressure is one of the Laws of Thermodynamics. A good example of this is in 1895, the German inventor Rudolf Diesel (1858-1913) developed an internal combustion engine that does not require spark plugs to ignite the fuel.

The heat of compression of the air inside the cylinder is sufficient to produce ignition. The fuel is injected at the time of maximum compression. The heating of the air during compression in a diesel engine is an example of an adiabatic process. Adiabatic processes are those in which no heat is added to or removed from a substance.

The amount of energy that cannot be converted into mechanical work is related to entropy. The change in entropy of a system is equal to the amount of heat added to the system divided by its Kelvin temperature. The entropy of a system always tends to increase (maximum randomness).

If you would like to perform your own demonstration of this process, follow the directions at this link:

http://naples.cc.sunysb.edu/CAS/pde...57d96bdb9f792cfb852568c0006cccf9?OpenDocument

or this:

http://naples.cc.sunysb.edu/CAS/pde...63a7fa1a75a3e543852568c0006cccfa?OpenDocument

 

[Kanda]

Don't forget that you need a ton of pressure to add temp. The pressurized air coming out of your turbo is mostly warm from the turbo or supercharger temp. Not because its pressurized.

Read above post!

 

[nightspeed87]

i seen that streetfire.net video with the leaf blower being stock in the intake arm of a rsx and spraying " NAWWZ" into the blower and they gained like 30 hp from it . But speedy talon 28 if you want to freakin stick a boat properlleron your engine then do it, just means your an inventor, or a scientist, and if i still had a n/t i would be doing everything just like you as long as it didnt blow my engine. Hook a msd blaser up to it and give it more power and try to make it have a consistant flow and maybe you could gain 3 to 4 hp, and on the n/t pistons with the right set up you could gain maybe 30 hp from it. Good luck, nobody likes originiality anyways so dont worry about the criticism from doing it..

 

[99gst_racer]

Or maybe have it pushing cold air onto the turbo and maifold to help keep it cool?

Cold air does not cool down heat; Hot air simply warms up the cooler air, and loses it's heat energy in the process. Heat is energy and if it's being cooled down, it's because the heat energy is being transfered somewhere.

Without venting the heat, blowing air onto it would simply cause hotter underhood temps. Bad idea. You're better off containing the heat with a heat shield, than blowing on it and spreading it throughout the air of the crammed engine bay.

 

[speedy_talon28]

I found a 60 trim turbo on ebay minus the wastegate for $116.00 so, I bought it. I thought I would buy a supercharger and not a turbocharger but I went with the turbo even though a belt driven supercharger would spin the compressor faster than a exhaust driven turbocharger.

 

[burntheblobs]

Sounds like you need to start with some basic research before you move any further.