Holset Turbos, RESULTS ONLY (COMPLETE INSTALLED SYSTEMS)

[ezz-e]

Stock evo 7bolt
stock head bolts
stock valve springs
cosworth m2 (272)cams
walbro 255
880cc PTE injectors
Custom Forward Facing manifold
56mm hx40/ BEP t3 housing
3" turbo back exhaust
on pump 93 only

Boost was at 26psi, air-fuels were left a little rich they do lean out when the car is on the road and moving air into the turbo inlet. you can definitely feel a power increase when the air is being force into the turbo. feels closer to 460 470 on the street. Timing was left very low i ran out of time on the dyno 9* max timing

Tach pick up was not working on the dyno, this was on twin 248 dynojet. Very heavy Drums.

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[colonelfox]

Not sure it's as applicable as it's in an Evo but my results were 469 hp and 380 lb ft on a mustang dyno that's notorious for reading low (logged the runs and verified Virtual Dyno measured the same within 2-3 HP). This was early summer/late spring. 32 psi and E85 running in the high 10's-low 11's for AFR. I didn't have time to finish the E85 tune before the pulls unfortunately. It was very last minute. Virtual Dyno had me pegged at 519 and 450something once it was fully tuned. Full boost was hitting around 4800 RPM but got progressively worse over the summer. I found I had a partially frozen open wastegate and that's been replaced.
Relevant power mods are:

Stock 2.0
8 blade HX35
Ebay wastegate
SSautochrome T3 mani
Custom downpipe and O2 housing
Comp 280 cams
speed density conversion
PTE 1200's
double pumper
3" turbo back

It's off the road for a few more days while I get the new 4G64 in and hopefully I'll get some HX35 numbers before the HX40 goes on at the end of winter.

 

[richard33]

Hit the track tonight with my 8 blade HX35.
Turbo: 8 blade hx35 with the stock t3 divided backhousing.
Engine: Eagle/weisco 9:1 comp 6 bolt. Stock 2g head/intake manifold with BC272s and dual valve springs
Fuel: 1600's with one rewired pump. e85
Tuning: speed density with DSMlink.
Drivetrain: stock FWD 220k mile tranny with an ACT 2600
Suspension: tein S-tech springs with 26x9x16 QTPs
Boost: 34 spike settling to 30.

Went 11.4@125 short shifting the 1-2 shift. The car is FWD. Drove it 80 miles to the track and 80 miles home

update on the results.

Same setup with more boost went 10.98@134 and 11.0@138.

 

[Mr Peepers]

Suppose I should post up my results since the seasons over

7 blade HX35 with the stock 12cm^2 turbine housing and MIG welded twin scroll manifold
Stock 6 bolt(7.8:1) rebuilt 15k ago
264/272 HKS
Cleaned/blended head port castings
Single 255
1000's and E85
38mm wastegate divided until the base of the valve


Shakedown passes at the '10 shootout and 25 psi yielded an 11.2@126 shifting in to 5th followed by an 11.2@129 revving out 4th. Both runs on street tires with a mid then high 1.7 60'. Car weighed about 3050 with me in it and a low tank

Eventually made my way to a dyno and got the boost up to about 30 psi with a set of 1200's. 494whp/471tq. The little spike was about 32 psi settling back down to 30 or 31. On the street it hits 30 psi at about 3500 in 3rd and 3200-3300 or so in 4th but it is what it is. 5th will experience compressor surge since it comes on right at 3k in this current 20* weather.

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Hoping for 130 traps and 500whp on a dynojet but not quite this year... Never got back to the track with the current 30psi. 20 degrees peak at 7k and ~12:1 afr, 19 degrees peak with 30psi. I will see what a 272 intake cam does for the drop off in power next year.

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[carbide]

turbo: Brand new holset hx40 12blade turbine/6blade comp. W/ bep .55 a/r bolt-on housing

boost: 37psi

fuel/engine mang.: E85, fic bm 1650s, ecmlink v3, gm maf w/ ecmtuning cable

afr: ~13:1

timing: 17*

compression: 7.8:1

engine: Stock fresh 6-bolt, bc 272s, magnus street im, fel-pro permatoruque, map/a1 headstuds
misc: Fp race manifold
3" ebay v-band 02 housing w/ 38mm tial ms-v
turbo x ceramic coated hot parts
4" cold-air-intake in fenderwell

awd dynojet @ maperformance, plymouth, mn.
556awhp, 459wtq

best to date: 11.40@131mph with a shitty 1.8 60ft

comments:
Dynoed the car, didn't realize it was at 37psi, said eff it. E85 is amazing.

updated results!!!!!!

 

[SOADweskey]

Turbo: Rebuilt Holset HX35 8 blade comp. w/ BEP .55 A/R bolt-on housing

Boost: spools to 32 and tapers down to 27

Fuel/Engine Mang.: E85, RC 1250s, ECMlink V3, stock MAF,

AFR: ~12.5:1

Timing: 18*

Compression: 8.8:1

Engine: fresh 6-bolt 2.3l, wiseco pistons, FP 4R cams, Stock extrude honed IM

Misc: FP Race manifold
Punishment recirculated 02 Housing w/ 38mm Tial MV-S
452 awhp/446tq on Dynopack AWD dyno @ RRE
Comments:
The turbo falls off after 6500 RPM, my 5031 actually had more top end and it was only rated at 44 lbs/min. I think the bolt on housing was really limiting it.

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The dashed lines in the graph are the 5031 on the same engine.

 

[Mr Peepers]

Got some logs via Jackal tonight in 3rd and 4th. Delphi 3 bar map sensor. See previous post for mods.

Both pulls started around 2k

3rd:

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4th:

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4th at 20 psi:

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I picked 2 points that yeilded the same psi(27.7) in each gear as a reference. Any higher psi and the wastegate was slowly opening so it skewed the results. Boost was set at 29-30 psi.

Basic run down in each gear(psi vs rpm) rounded to the nearest .5psi and 50 rpm
3rd:
5---2500
10--2900
15--3150
20--3250
25--3400

4th
5---2350
10--2650
15--2800
20--3000
25--3100

 

[b00stedtalon2]

Here's mine on the 7-blade HX40 with t3 BEP .70 a/r exhaust housing. Should net somewhere near 135mph, looking for mid 10's. Will have time slip hopefully april 2'nd or 3'rd.

542\463 on buschur racing mustang dyno - 33.7psi on E85 (I tested the fuel and there was 75-76% ethanol)

Holset HX40; Bullseye T3 .70a/r hotside
BR Race FMIC / Piping
BR SD Exhaust
BR Double Pumper
PTE 1200's
Kelford 272's
Tial 50mm BOV
Tial 44mm WG
Exedy Twin HD
Stock ECU/MAF
Stock Ignition
Stock Block/Head
Stock Intake Mani/Throttle body

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Here's a pull during tuning, had to replace the plugs after this one. I believe we made 507 in the video.
YouTube - MVI 6164

 

[Mr Peepers]

New time this season on the 12cm^2 twin scroll housing. [email protected] on street tires and 28 psi.

Changes:
272 intake cam and 3 more psi.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/drag-strip/398335-10-9-135-9-hx35-street-tires.html

 

[talon1979]

New time of 12.2 @ 123 w/ a crappy 2.1 60'. I'm still running an ACT 2100 w/ a sprung 6-puck ceramic disc that slips badly if I launch the car hard. I'm still on the stock never rebuilt bottom end from '90 and the turbo is a bolt-on hx40 pro. Remember that Utah is at a high elevation and cars don't run as fast up here. I'm running 14 deg of total timing on E85 w/ a single Walbro. I'll post pics of my timeslips later.

Changes:
DSMLink upgrade to V3 with speed density and integrated boost control. Adjusted Cam gears. Built a new 4" intake, and upped the boost to 32-33psi.

 

[b00stedtalon2]

Details of car are in post #58.

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[talon1979]

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[biglady112]

HX-52
24psi
577whp 420tq

This is our base tune for our salt car. This is super conservative versus a drag racer. This motor has to live for five miles run after run.

Videos below of our tuning session. Looking to land in impound after the first round this coming sasturday.

dyno-7-29-11 | Retribution LSR #4663

 

[BoostedBeaver]

Turbo: 8 Blade Holset HX35 w/ BEP .55 A/R bolt-on housing, FP manifold, Tial 38mm external wastegate.

Weight: 3210 w/ driver and 3/4 tank of E85

Boost:28 - 29psi

Fuel/Engine Mang.: E85, FIC BM 1650s, ECMlink V3, Speed Density w/ Boost by gear

AFR: ~12.0:1

Timing: 20* Peak timing

Compression: 8.5:1

Bolt-on Modifications:
Dual intank Walbro 255's, Aeromotive AFPR, BM 1650's, VR Speed FMIC, Fuellab fuel filter 8an feed.

Engine Management:
DSM link v3, GM IAT, Omni 4 Bar MAP, Inovative LC-1, Prosport Oil and boost gauge, Boost By Gear (DSM Link)

Engine Internals:
Eagle Rods, Weisco 1400HD 8.5:1, BSEK, ARP Mains, ACL Race bearings, Cometic MLS, ARP headstuds, engnbldr valves,guides, and revised lifters, BC0100 Springs and retainers, Delta HKS 272, Fidanza Cam Gears, Holset HX35 in Bolton BEP .55 Housing, Tial 38mm Wastegate, MAP 02 Housing, Megan full 3in exhaust.

Drivetrain Modifications:
RAXLES (Front), Rebuilt AWD Tranny Stage 2 TMZ, ACT2900 w/ southbend TZ/FE disk

Results: The ET was only a 12.1 with a trap speed of 121. I could not stick a good launch and spun in first unless the car was babied out of the hole. If the boost in 1st hit 20lbs it would start to spin. The 12.1 pass had a 2.077 60'.

robertbaxley's Channel - YouTube

 

[GST95]

Its been a while, so I thought id give an update to post #27. I had a major engine fire that destroyed the car. I salvaged what i could from it and built another car similar to the old one, but its a slightly different setup. Surprisingly, the turbo was undamaged and im still using it.

Platform
92 Plymouth Laser AWD 6/4 3050lbs with driver

Engine
Scat rods
9:1 stock bore Wiseco pistons (137k miles on bore)
2g head
Supertech valves
Kiggly springs
Delta K272 cams
Evo3 intake manifold
NT TB
3" Hotpipe

Turbo/Exhaust
60mm 7 blade HX-40 with 17cm exhaust housing
JHRacing divided T4 manifold with 44mm wastegates
3" Turbo back exhaust

Fuel
E85
FIC 1650cc bluemax injectors
Aeromotive fuel filter and AFPR
Walbro 255HP Intank +255 external ran in series
-8 fuel line

Drivetrain
Stock 2g auto shifted directly though the solenoids using the Kiggly shifter mod (no TCU)
IPT billet converter
external cooler

Tuning
Link V3 running SD with a 4bar map
Innovate WB



Suspension
AGX KYB struts with Ground controlls
245/35R18 Kumho XS on the front, Toyo T1R on the rear on 18x9.5 Gramm Lights for the street
P235/60-15 M&H on Drag DR-17s for the track


I just started to get the bugs worked out of it and get the launches figured out with the auto. The tune is still far from optimal and im running really low timing until I get all of the bugs worked out. I was having a real hard time getting a good launch because my brake pads didnt have enough cold bite to hold back the car to allow it to build enough boost at the line, so it was real stagnant up until 30mph then it would spool and go. A few weeks ago I realized this was the problem and changed to a semi-metallic instead of a ceramic pad. This allowed me to hold more power at the line. Last week I made it back to the track. With a little tweeking, I was able to leave the line with 25psi. I made the mistake of thinking I wouldnt need to bring my slicks with me due to how poorly the previous launches had been. With the street tires, is was spinning quite a bit in 1st. Even with the traction issues, it still ran 11.43@122 with a 1.94 60' at 29psi.

This weekend I went back with the slicks for the last day of the year for the track. My second pass netted 10.95@122 with a 1.59 60' again at 29psi. My next pass went 10.97@122 with a 1.58 60'. The setup has a lot left in it. Hopefully next year ill be able to start turning up the boost and timing.

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[cloead]

Billys Colt 1st 11second Pass - YouTube

My first 11 second pass out of the colt..

HX40 7 blade in bolt on BEP housing (WH1C)
Stock block, BC 272 cams
1000cc injectors
Link v3

Best time of the day was 11.9 @ 127 w/ a 1.7 60'
Best trap of the day was 12.0 @ 128 w/ a 1.7 60'

 

[b00stedtalon2]

Here are my latest results with the 7-blade HX40 with BEP .70a/r T3 housing. The turbo has taken a huge beating this year and still holding up like a champ.

HX40/Stock Block Evo 10.38@137 - YouTube

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[Pirrofab]

Took my car to the track this past sunday. first pass was 13.0 second pass was 12.9 This is my first track outing in about 3 years and the first time this car has been raced at a track. I also have to work on the chassis/suspension for limiting straps and drop more weight out of the car. It weighed 2960 with me in it during the race. The log I have posted is from the first pass. the second pass I didn't have enough time to turn on the laptop. I leaned it out, took away timing, and upped launch control for the second pass.

Turbo- Hx-35 8 Blade with 55. BEP housing. -4 feed line no restrictor , 7/8 i.d. silicone drain hose

Engine- Stock bottom end 130k, SBR stage 3 head manley springs retainers, ferrea valves, 3g lifters, BC 272s, arp head studs, cometic gasket, removed BS Belt, (Shafts still intact though)

Engine bolt ons- Magnus Street intake, Converted 1g N/t Throttle body, 2.5in intercooler piping throughout, SBR street FMIC, FP exhaust manifold, Punishment recirc 02 housing, tial 38mm gate, Dejon 2g intake, 2g Maf, 3in exhaust, Fuel lab regulator, Stm filter to rail line kit, Delphi 850's ,Taylor thundervolt 50 wires, Bpr7es plugs, Walbro 255 (non rewired)

Transmission/ Driveline- stage 1 stock rebuild by Dogbox Racing, ACT flywheel south bend hd clutch kit- heavy duty pressure plate, kevlar disc, 4 bolt lsd rear swap, aluminum DS support bushings, aluminum shifter cable bushings, shimmed pivot ball, ss clutch line

Suspension/ Tires
older kyb GR2 struts, intrax 2in drop springs, ingalls rear adjustable upper control arms
-Cooper Zeon ZPT 225/50/16 On 16x7 40+ offset Rota Slipstreams

Weight-
Various weight reduction while still keeping creature comforts. car weighs 2960 with me in it 1/4-1/2 tank of fuel and the bottom of the back seat out for drag racing.

 

[JusMX141]

Forgot to update the results here. This is Dave's results running one of my 7-blade HX40's that had a BatMoWheel installed following his Bullseye Power sponsorship. Turbo has a .70 a/r T3 Bullseye turbine housing.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/drag-strip/416444-talondave-batmowheel-hx40-goes-9s.html

9.67 @ 150.65 on a shitty 1.8x 60ft. This was done with a horribly-undersized Buschur intercooler gaining 60*f by the end of the run. Car will lose an easy 4 or 5/10's with a better 60ft and a better intercooler

Previous best from my 6-blade HX40 he was running prior was 10.02 @ 145.07 with a synchro trans and a leaking DeJon intercooler.

A quote from the tuner regarding the performance of the BatMoWheel:

his old 6-blade pro would actually flow more at the same RPM's...

Comparing logs between the Batmowheel and the 6 blade pro...the 6 blade had a higher load factor, and airflow and IDC at any given rpm... the only time the batmowheel showed 70+ lb/min was above 9000 rpm ..and I dont have any logs of Dave's 6 blade pro at that high of RPM for comparison ..

My honest observation is the 6 blade pro and the Batmowheel are flowing damned near identical if you do a little factoring for the difference in IAT's.

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[Pursuit]

My first 11 second pass out of the on my 2g talon

HX40 6 blade in bolt on BEP Housing

Info about the car in my profile

warm up run was 12.3 @ 118 w/ a 1.9 60'

Best time of the day was 11.9 @ 119 w/ a 1.83 60' 225\40\18 nexen street tires

30PSi and 24 Deg of timing from 5 To 8k rpm

Next speedway in 3 weeks , now running more aggressive timing , i hope for low 11s high 10s with street tires.



Update: 12.10.2011

Ok i just got back from the track same tuning as last time same boost, warm up run was 11.5 with 1.83 60ft and 126mph trap

Then i crank up the boost to 36\7 psi i got around 65 lbs min air flow , but the stock piston wrist give up

 

[carbide]

Update:

Dynojet AWD Dyno @ Modern Automotive Performance, in Plymouth, MN.

HX40 w/ .55 A/R BEP Housing

556 awhp 449 torque @ 37 PSI 13:1 AFR on E85. Stock 2.0L w/ 7.8:1 CR.

I suck at driving and only managed an 11.40 @ 131mph. 60-ft was 1.8

 

[b00stedtalon2]

Update:

Bigger injectors and 37lbs. Red is current, blue is last years which went 10.38@137mph.

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Turbo: 7 Blade Holset HX40 w/ BEP .70 A/R, T3 full-race manifold, 44MM WG

Boost: 37PSI (See bottom of graph)

Fuel/Engine Mang.: E85, FIC 2150's, STOCK ECU, STOCK MAF (screen removed)

Engine: Stock 2.0 block, Kelford 272 cams, ARP Headstuds, Kiggly HLA

 

[red1993gsallmt]

Finally, I have a time slip worth showing!! Planed on going to englishtown today but when got there it was closed due to bad weather, it was sunny and 50 degrees! So I said fudge it and drove the car all the way to acto, got there and was told I had 15min toget in the staging lanes before they closed. Went to ad 2-3 degress of timing up top but I left my laptop on for the whole drive so it was as dead as a stone. Set the boost at 36-37 and just ran with it, after a 2 hour drive I was running it . 10.4 not bad for pump and a lil meth with only 12* of timing up top

That puts me in second with the dsm holsets and third overall with the holsets( theres an evo in the 10.3s) but I know theres more in it. Ive got to thank Justin for helping me get the turbo and helping me with the oiling,but also recently tg porting, he ports alot of heads for big companies, not gonna blow there spots up but since dogbox is out of bussiness he did all there heads including the 8sec evo, and 9.0talon. Between going t3 and the head port and matching the STOCK 1G INTAKE to it I picked up alot. I dont know exactly what I gained because I wasent able to add any timing and etown wouldnt give me a slip last year. I really have to put a cage in the car, Im glad atco is very leaniate with the rules but for my own safety I have to get it done!

 

[beansblacktsi]

1992 Plymouth Laser 6/4
Motor: Stock bottom end 160,000+, BSE kit, Delta regrinds(264,272), standard arps, Titan copper head gasket, stock 1g intake manifold, fp race manifold, .55 BEP hx40 8blade(200,000+ miles), punishment racing o2 housing with recirculated Tial 38mm, 3inch exhaust, precision front mount, Tial 50mm BOV, walbro 255 intank feeding Bosch 044, precision 1000s, afpr, dsmlink V3 on e85.

Drivetrain: Itp rebuilt trans, welded center diff, Itp restalled converter, and Road surge shift box. Stock everything else.

Suspension/tires: Stock suspension with bfg drag radials(235/60/15s)
Car weighs 2900 without me in it, full interior street car!

Dyno: 380/365 on a DynoJet 2wd. 33psi and 19 degrees of timing. Then a week later I went down to Texas and put down 396awd hp on exact same setup.
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Track: Also when I was in Texas for Supra nationals I ran at the track and finally got my ten!!
60'-1.57
1/8mile-6.97 @98.51
1/4mile-10.99@121
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A little older one pretty much the same except no JMf.

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[turboglenn]

I know i don't have dyno or timeslips results but i read in another thread for people to post up anyway relevant to spooltimes and such.I'll also attach a recent log of 1-2-3or 3rd gear to redline (whatever i can find on the laptop)

turbo H1c with Hx40 8 blde 58mm wheen with 83mm exducer (in a self machined .63 a/r T3 5 bolt housing, on T3 turbonetics manifold, 3" DP and cat-back ( I call it the H1-3558X)

engine 6 bolt, 9:1 wiseco's, eagle H-beams, ACL bearings, BC springs and retainers, DKS 264/272 cams, plain jan e ARP's

Trans OEM 5 speed AWD, ACT 2600 with RPS disk

management Haltech E6x, AFR's mid 12's

timing 14-15* at peak torque to 17-19* at peak RPM

Boost level 28psi peak (mostof the timeabout 26psi) [/B]

spool Time IN 3rd i can hit excess of 20psi by 4k RPM starting at 3200 RPM- 5th gear i have have the gate open before 4k RPM at 25+ PSI

(MY previouse best on a garrett 57 trim in the same hot housing was 438hp/396 lb/ft and this makes that feel slow!)

EDIT: UPDATE... Lifted the head the other night at 32psi (found a semi-loose stud but not sure it was the issue) The area where i made the pull is an abandoned strip of road no longer used (old highway that was replaced and is a closed course of sorts, no one gets in trouble for "test-n-tune work" there as it's now a grey area of private property since the new highway is way off the "easement area" of this stretch.. now with that out of the way.. there's been a 1/4mile marked off there for a long time and after having fixed the car i've brought myself to look at the log from that night. To the best of my ability of judging the RPM vs. Speed where i passed the white line and lifted the throttle i was going right around 127mph at the end of the 1320 stretch, I bogged the launch all to hell but i wasn't there to pull a test just taking a guy for a ride where i could safely pull these speeds without traffic or consequence. The length of the data log from when i let off the 2-step and bogged (was only half throttle) to the point where i lifted was right around 11.5 seconds, no doubt the car is MOVING this was with 2 people with a combined weight of 450 lbs, 50+ lbs of tools in the trunk, stereo system, spare tire & jack,adn whatever else was in the back at the time ..I really can't wait to get someofficial time slips or dyno pulls up[ but everytime i get a apsre dollar the car breaks or a bill is late ......... I'll uplkoad this log later today when i get the laptop out

According to datalogs the 70-90 times are ranging from 1.2 - 1.5 seconds depending on how i get on the gas, be it froma low 3rd gear pull or after an upshift from 2nd

EDIT: To see true AFR's cut and past this formula into row "K" at the same point where the heading/labels for the other colums are (thejn hit enter and it should read "value", ) then drag point to the lower right corner of that cell, click and drag down to the length of the data log this will give the converted value of the 0-5v signal into the AFR reading that would have been on the AEM sensor
=SUM((f4/1000)*2+10)