Cold Air Intake Selection

[Flagstaff Fury]

I have a 92 Talon TSi AWD. I was wondering if anyone knew a good brand and filter. I have the stock setup. Including 14b, MAS, and BOV. I understand that I don't need to take emissions, but is there a way I can bypass the sensor? Could anyone give me help on buying one, and maybe a tutorial on how to install it? Anything would be appreciated! Thanks!

 

[force_feed]

is there a way I can bypass the sensor?

You cannot bypass the sensor!! If you want some sort of cold air intake AND eliminate the bulky MAS you can either do 1 of 2 things. 1 use a GM MAF blow threw set up which requires 3" GM MAF, Translator, and a Wideband and/or Pocket logger. Your second option is to use a Speed Density setup which requires a socketed e-prom ecu, an ostrich emulator, a laptop, a gm iat sensor, a 3 bar map sensor and a wideband o2.

Oh and to answer your question, K&N Air Filters are probably the best.

 

[DSM_PWR]

Technically speaking, isnt a "Cold air intake" just the way the intake is routed? Its suppose to be routed to the bumper to receive the coldest are while driving...

 

[rEclipserGST]

I do believe you are correct. Most people who want maximize air flow (without a blow thru setup), use the air-thru bumper technique. I personally will be routing a tube to go straight to the air filter box. I have a stock set up with a drop-in K&N air filter, I hacked the stock air box up so the bottom half is off and the filter is halfway exposed. I'm hoping the ghetto setup will add air flow

 

[force_feed]

I was under the impression that he wanted something like this picture because he was asking about bypassing the MAF.

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[LKWTSI]

Technically speaking, isnt a "Cold air intake" just the way the intake is routed? Its suppose to be routed to the bumper to receive the coldest are while driving...

Technically... "Cold Air Intake" setups are for non turbo cars. The purpose is to supply colder dense air to the throttle-body to increase your fuel/air density and increase the power. In a turbo set up, you have the intercooler, which reduces the temperature of the air after it's been compressed by the turbo.

 

[kahl23]

There is a lot of misinformation in this thread. So, let's sort a few things out. No, you cannot bypass your MAS, you need that to meter incoming air, however, you can still use your stock MAS with a cold air intake, you don't need to go SD or GM MAF-T. Also, it is very possible to have a cold air intake with a turbo car, yes, the intercooler is meant to lower intake air temps, but you will still see gains if the air you start with is cooler than the air sitting around in your engine bay. Ever see people race with their passenger side headlight out? Same principle. That being said, for your setup you probably would be better off waiting a bit before doing this. Most cold air setups I've seen on turbo DSMs are on cars with at least a front mount and usually short-route intercooler piping. That is because the most convenient location for the filter is in the old SMIC location in the passenger side fender. Most people usually either route their piping through the cut out behind the passenger's headlight that is there to allow the stock IC piping through, or route their intake pipe from the turbo under the frame and into the same location (kinda hard to describe what I'm saying here, but you'll understand if you see a pic). Look through this thread if you want ideas, but like I said i think for you it's too much of a hassle to figure out at this point if you're still running a stock SMIC.

 

[andy4g63]

Having a CAI set-up is not difficult, but you have to go over several things:

-it is not going to fit well with stock SMIC, FMIC is amust
- since you have to keep the MAF sensor, the CAI should be made of 2 pcs./remove the lower one, when raining. Even on my set-up with SD, I still do not drive in rain
-other forms of like routing the air UP to the stock filter location will not work/make any difference on AIT's
-colder AIT's will help with knock/detonation issues, but if your car is stock for now, it is up to you.

Not so long ago, I made a thread about CAI, having it installed on my car and some results in lowering AIT's.
Here is the LINK:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/bol...-info-inside-cai-installed.html#post151642184

 

[DSM_PWR]

Technically... "Cold Air Intake" setups are for non turbo cars. The purpose is to supply colder dense air to the throttle-body to increase your fuel/air density and increase the power. In a turbo set up, you have the intercooler, which reduces the temperature of the air after it's been compressed by the turbo.

I see where your coming from..

But think about it... Cold air intake... meaning the air comes from a cold place ... like when routed outside the engine bay...

Regular Air Intakes are short route and stay tucked in the bay... hense the difference in names

There is a lot of misinformation in this thread....Also, it is very possible to have a cold air intake with a turbo car, yes, the intercooler is meant to lower intake air temps, but you will still see gains if the air you start with is cooler than the air sitting around in your engine bay....

Thank you

 

[chico904]

Technically... "Cold Air Intake" setups are for non turbo cars. The purpose is to supply colder dense air to the throttle-body to increase your fuel/air density and increase the power. In a turbo set up, you have the intercooler, which reduces the temperature of the air after it's been compressed by the turbo.

Incorrect. Yes a intercooler helps to reduce air temps, but a cold air intake can be used on a turbo, or non-turbo car. A short ram, or sometimes called "warm air" intake is one that has the pipe, and more importantly filter mounted entirely in the engine bay pulling in warm air. A cold air intake is one that has the piping extend outside the engine bay, and places the filter near a fresh air opening. It is usually placed behind the outer-most opening of our bumpers thus sucking in cooler air from the outside instead of the warm air of the engine bay.
To the OP, any ebay no-name intake will work just fine, as most of them are all the same pipe with different color couplers. Your filter choice is up to you, be it K&N, Apexi, etc. Just stay away from the ebay 99 cent filters that have produced bad consequences on our engines. (Search on here for the pics)
If you are going to go with a short ram intake, installation is very simple. Here is a link.http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...-style-intake-pipe-filter-review-install.html
If you are going to go with a cold air intake, you might want to wait until you get A FMIC as many people use the hole that the stock UICP went through, so that they do not have to make a new hole, and it will be in the way. Here is a good thread for that.http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/bolt-tech/230641-4g63-cold-air-intake-done-right.html
If you plan on keeping the SMIC, you still have options for your 1G with a short ram intake.http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-intake-exhaust/105839-90-91-cold-air-intake.html
This is for a 2G, but you get the idea. http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-intake-exhaust/195667-diy-ram-air-duct-cold-air-intake.html

 

[force_feed]

There is a lot of misinformation in this thread. So, let's sort a few things out. No, you cannot bypass your MAS, you need that to meter incoming air, however, you can still use your stock MAS with a cold air intake, you don't need to go SD or GM MAF-T. Also, it is very possible to have a cold air intake with a turbo car, yes, the intercooler is meant to lower intake air temps, but you will still see gains if the air you start with is cooler than the air sitting around in your engine bay. Ever see people race with their passenger side headlight out? Same principle. That being said, for your setup you probably would be better off waiting a bit before doing this. Most cold air setups I've seen on turbo DSMs are on cars with at least a front mount and usually short-route intercooler piping. That is because the most convenient location for the filter is in the old SMIC location in the passenger side fender. Most people usually either route their piping through the cut out behind the passenger's headlight that is there to allow the stock IC piping through, or route their intake pipe from the turbo under the frame and into the same location (kinda hard to describe what I'm saying here, but you'll understand if you see a pic). Look through this thread if you want ideas, but like I said i think for you it's too much of a hassle to figure out at this point if you're still running a stock SMIC.

I must have misunderstood what the OP was asking. I dont see how I was misleading in any way. I simply said you cannot bypass the MAS, and if he wanted to use a cold air intake he could elinimate the bulky stock mas and use a GM MAF or SD setup.

 

[kahl23]

\ If you want some sort of cold air intake you can either do 1 of 2 things. 1 use a GM MAF blow threw set up which requires 3" GM MAF, Translator, and a Wideband and/or Pocket logger. Your second option is to use a Speed Density setup which requires a socketed e-prom ecu, an ostrich emulator, a laptop, a gm iat sensor, a 3 bar map sensor and a wideband o2.

I took that to mean you were saying those are needed to run a CAI, which they aren't. My intent was just to clarify what actually is and is not required with a cold air intake, not to call you out or anything like that.

 

[force_feed]

Its cool. I just wanted to clarify myself better.

Thankx for clearing that up!

 

[andy4g63]

Here is how it should be done:

 

[The Chazz]

Man that is CLEANNN.

What filter are you running on it?

 

[chico904]

Here is how it should be done:

An excellent example. Make sure to check out his thread.

 

[LKWTSI]

I see where your coming from..

But think about it... Cold air intake... meaning the air comes from a cold place ... like when routed outside the engine bay...

Regular Air Intakes are short route and stay tucked in the bay... hense the difference in names



Thank you

My bad in an attempt to keep things a little simple I over did it.

I will concede, I haven't seen the filter relocation into the wheel well for a turbo set up before, so I beg for forgiveness

 

[andy4g63]

I run 9" long, 4" inlet K&N air filter: Here it is. I also have built a shield under it and the factory plastic piece, that was behind the SMIC, is still in place to protect the filter from the debris coming from the tire... Picture was taken from factory fog light opening.

 

[bmx198706]

well with my 98 gst i , thought about cold air intake, but up here in nebraska we have random snow falls and rain so i just decided to go with injen intake. the previous owner of the car put dejon intercooler piping and im not to impressed with it because i hooked up a smoke machine to it and found out tht it has small leaks every where.

 

[The Chazz]

I like that the fenderwell is setup to not allow debris into the filter area.

My buddy torched his 01 Cobra's very expensive DOHC V-8 with dirt because of a fenderwell that had a hole in it.

 

[andy4g63]

An excellent example. Make sure to check out his thread.

Thanks, chico904... Yes, exactly. With the CAI installed, after continuos driving/not on the highway, cause highway driving keeps AIT's lower/, just in the neighborhood going around , thru several lights , stops, little traffic I got my AIT's 102*F on top of 3 gear. This was a full 1-2-3 gears pull@22-23 PSI, shifting at 8300RPM. And I hit it several times before and after that. During normal driving/not highway the temps were in 82-84 *F range. The ambient temp. was 75*F.

Keep in mind, that my FMIC which is Extreme PSI street core/using vey efficient Garret core/ is 8"x24"x3.5"... This is neither big, or thick by today's standards..,

 

[TurboDSM610]

just throw a K&N filter and a dejon intake personally

 

[jirwinracer]

I own a stock 96 Talon TSI AWD and I want to start modding it. I drive 2 hours of interstate miles a day and for now i want to tune it for mpg so would a cold air intake and filter help this out? i was told if you baby it you could get 30 mpg so if i got this i could save money for more mods! Any help?!? Does mopar make one?

 

[Calan]

Charlie, Andy, and kahl23 gave some good advice..but I'd offer one more tidbit.

No offense intended, but if you guys are asking if you can bypass the MAS or if Mopar makes a CAI, you still have a lot of reading to do and this particular mod should be at the bottom of your list.

BTW - I think Andy's bay is now at the top of my list...

but that beat up shock tower bar has to go .

 

[andy4g63]

BTW - I think Andy's bay is now at the top of my list...

but that beat up shock tower bar has to go .

Yeah, thanks. I'll be redoing the valve cover soon and that will include the bar too.