ECMlink Car bit the dust, log attached. What happened?

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

You mean all of my spare parts????

AND THE GRAND PRIZE WINNER IS...........

 

[19gsx91]

oh cmon. no suspense marty. we're all hurting on your behalf.

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

Well....NOBODY said "You threw ALL your rockers off"
BUT....
Donniekak did say "you have bent valves" and I do have 1. And it looks like its stem is bent from a dam rocker getting between the cam and the edge of the valve.
DAM!
Sooo. How the HELL does that happen my friends????
Thanks Joe, I was loading up the pictures.

 

[joemamma]

well i am always off my rocker---at least thats what others say---that is weird i have not seen anything like that ever in 20plus years
i have seen a few do it but not all

do the lifters compress?

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

Me too. I haven't been around DSM's more than about 5 years but W T F???? I can't imagine how/why ALL 16 came off and if that 1 hadn't got caught up, I would just be putting rockers back on. There are probably more but not visibly noticeable.
And Joe, thats why I put my disclaimer on the "off my rocker" , I suppose I am also. Anyone have an explanation or theory???
I will have to go see if any will depress. They look like they ALL are pumped up as far as they will go, which I suppose is what they will do without a rocker.

 

[joemamma]

lost oil pressure to all lifters(like a plugged oil galley )--just a guess

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

Well I had 70 lbs of oil pressure when it was spinning but not running but I would imagine when one rocker goes, the head oil pressure plummets so I guess that kinda explains it. Good thinkin!!!
But jeeze.....16, just layin around like after a keg party.....????

 

[joemamma]

i have not been around DSM's 20 years more like 3 or so but in general all kinds of diesels, gas engines, and a few gas turbines

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

Me too. Sbc man since 1978, built a few Fords and a couple Mopars but 90% has been domestic and Chevrolet. I really like my Mitsu powered Chrysler but this makes me shake my head

 

[ishnish]

Wow, this is odd. I had a strong feeling about the bent valves. Holy crap though, all the rockers . At least you found the problem real quick Marty!

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

Yeh Ishnish, what a strange sight. Somehow, I will get it apart, outside, in the cold. Boy, a shop is on my Christmas list but idt Santa will bring one.

I will keep the post updated but if anyone has some comments, please chime in!!! I'm kinda wanting to see what you all have to say. I couldn't have been driving the car any easier then in the log.

 

[SasaniFab]

I would venture to guess you have several bent valves. That sucks man, did u check the timing? I can see that happening with adjustable cam gear after slipping. Your motor is new yes? Tensioner has low miles. I was under the impression that this only happens in a condition where valves have become bent?

 

[ChessmoDSM]

Did you check the Harmonic Balancer, is it okay?

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

I would venture to guess you have several bent valves. That sucks man, did u check the timing? I can see that happening with adjustable cam gear after slipping. Your motor is new yes? Tensioner has low miles. I was under the impression that this only happens in a condition where valves have become bent?

It has to have more than one I'm sure. It was the fact the car was just purrin, and goin down hill. I bet most or all are damaged. I have another head but stock valves. I will keep taking pictures and will check timing and the balancer. Some suggest low oil pressure and to check cam journals also so....as I go, if you want to follow along, it may take me a bit longer than usual but I will post findings for others to benefit. Feel free guess what is next for the next big prize! Lol

 

[SasaniFab]

It has to have more than one I'm sure. It was the fact the car was just purrin, and goin down hill. I bet most or all are damaged. I have another head but stock valves. I will keep taking pictures and will check timing and the balancer. Some suggest low oil pressure and to check cam journals also so....as I go, if you want to follow along, it may take me a bit longer than usual but I will post findings for others to benefit. Feel free guess what is next for the next big prize! Lol

These are the moments that seperate the true enthusiasts from the boys...Ive been there man, makes you wanna throw in the towel.... keep your head up though. Youll have that slut running in no time.

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

Oh I plan on doin the right thing and thanks for the support. I checked all of the hla's and they are rock solid fully extended it seems. Just wierd. Cam is still dripping oil on the lobes when I looked too.

 

[Vegas Smith]

It's clear that turbo is too big for you. How much for it? On the cheap of course Keep us updated

 

[19gsx91]

I got +1 dollar on whatever Vegas offers you for your setup.

 

[Vegas Smith]

Damn vultures! (Pm me a price). Just kidding. Just a small setback. I have no idea what would cause that.

 

[joemamma]

were u coasting down a hill when it happened?

 

[donniekak]

The rockers are all off because all the valves are bent. When the valve bends it can't close so the rocker looses contact with the cam, and falls off the valve and hla.

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

were u coasting down a hill when it happened?

Yep I sure was. When this happened, it made no noise, it just felt like I turned the key off. I kept up speed for a good 5 seconds I would guess, long enuf to glance at oil pressure. Check, 70 psi. Glanced over at the computer for true water temp. Check, 176*. Belt remains same tension its always had.
Donnie, I am SURE you are right. I'm just giving a play by play as it happened. I have one physically OBVIOUS bent stem. I know it doesn't take much to bend them, I accidentally did it by rolling over my cams without bleeding the lifters. Bent all but 2 exhaust and 4 intake all by hand. I only heard a "ting" and that did it. Now to the important thing.
Life sometimes gives us things that are like a slap to the face. My dad was just diagnosed with stomach cancer, unoperable, and has maybe 2 months left. News as of 2 days ago SO, someday, I will have more pictures and let all of you, my only social friends, know what I finally found. I cancelled my John Whalen tune and the car is on indefinate hold.
I sure appreciate all the help and advice from everyone. Donnie, you win grand prize!!!
One thing asked to me by John was are all the lifters pumped up, and they are. Hard and no give so they are fully extended. I'm not sure if that says anything or not but that is how it is. THANKS AGAIN!!!
Until next time, Marty.

 

[joemamma]

i wish you well in this hard time-car can wait i know how hard it is to loose a parent lost my mother at age 15 and my father a couple years ago.........so sorry to hear about this

 

[19gsx91]

Take all the time you need Marty, just know we're here supporting you.

 

[92AWDHX40]

You know im here for you man. Vic