Cam test: I will be dyno test: delta hks 272, delta K272 and BC 272 cams!!!!

[Delta Cam]

Did you get a good pull with the k272's?

 

[keltalon]

Did you get a good pull with the k272's?

Na I didn't. not with the new set up. stay tuned.

 

[BogusSVO]

Hey kelton... It would be nice if you could start a thread with all the cam specs from the cam card.

I know, like you do not have enough to do with all this testing!

 

[keltalon]

Well after another setback I finally got the car running. I had a major issue with the TOGA High volume pump. Long story short it failed seized up. I ended spinning a rod bearing, trashing my new engine big time I contacted toga and they told me that it was installers error or inother word It was my fault. Spoke with some guy name phil at flatlander racing. I ended up have to pull the engine , completely disassemble it, clean the heck out of it metal flakes in everything. I had to replace the lifter, oil cooler, bough a new mitsu oil pump with gears, new hks stopper head gasket, new crankshaft and so on and so on But nonetheless the car is running I have a few more miles to put on it and I will be heading back to the dyno sometime next week. I have the bc 280s in already I will give my impressions when the engine is fully broken in which will be maybe later this week.

 

[viperlp01]

damn some bad luck on your end.. First off... How do you install an oil pump wrong.. There is only one way ..

 

[keltalon]

damn some bad luck on your end.. First off... How do you install an oil pump wrong.. There is only one way ..

He said that I installed the timing belt too tightWTF. I have built plenty of these engines and never once have I Installed a timing belt too tight or for that matter had an issue with an oil pump, Mitsu OEM pump that is. Dont ask me why I ended up going with a TOGA pump in the first place I wll tell you, Had someone to convince me to give it a try I did and it cost me dearly

 

[chanley talon]

Man you are the man for getting all that done. I'm looking so forward to your results. I also am dying to see what just regular 264/272 hks regrinds will do.

 

[JMGSX]

I have the bc 280s in already I will give my impressions when the engine is fully broken in which will be maybe later this week.

You may have mentioned it but are these degreed or not? If not, will they be tested each way? Thanks.

 

[keltalon]

You may have mentioned it but are these degreed or not? If not, will they be tested each way? Thanks.

I have not degreed any of the cams. I just play with them until they suit my needs. I know its unorthodox but it works, my thinking have been even after the cams have been degeed they still need to be adjusted to a particular set up. I just skip the degeeing part and get straight to the setting for my setup. I currently have them set a 7 degrees advance on the exhaust and 3 degree retard on the intake. less over lapp better down low, better streetable, better gas mileage and suited for the stock intake manifold Just my $.02

 

[2slow4utsi]

WOW I was looking at running a TOGA pump but after that story I'm more than convinced not to run one now. In no way am I saying that EVERY TOGA pump will fail or that it's a bad product but I'd rather stick with OEM and take my chances.

 

[jrohner]

I currently have them set a 7 degrees advance on the exhaust and 3 degree retard on the intake. more over lapp better down low, better streetable, better gas mileage and suited for the stock intake manifold Just my $.02

advancing the exhaust and retarding the intake both take away overlap.

I agree that, for how much time it takes to properly degree the cams, it makes more sense to just install them and tune them to your setup. I think the main thing with degreeing is that you can see how accurate the actual valve events are compared to the specs, so you actually know what you've got.

 

[TSIfreek]

advancing the exhaust and retarding the intake both take away overlap.

I agree that, for how much time it takes to properly degree the cams, it makes more sense to just install them and tune them to your setup. I think the main thing with degreeing is that you can see how accurate the actual valve events are compared to the specs, so you actually know what you've got.

I agree with the above. I have personally degreed a set of cams with a wheel and all in my motor and its a waist of time. Install them, put the cam gears at zero and and hit the dyno and adjust them there.
Your going to adjust them anyway on the dyno so degreeing with a wheel does nothing for you or what to expect power wise out of your new cams.

 

[keltalon]

advancing the exhaust and retarding the intake both take away overlap.

I agree that, for how much time it takes to properly degree the cams, it makes more sense to just install them and tune them to your setup. I think the main thing with degreeing is that you can see how accurate the actual valve events are compared to the specs, so you actually know what you've got.

Sorry. thinking and typing to fast Its corrected. thanks

 

[jrohner]

The K272's killed my spool and torque vs my BC272's (the car isn't even fun in 1st or 2nd gear anymore) without a real hp gain that could ever make up for it. Do you think adjustable cam gears would be a big help, or should I just put in smaller cams again? I also have a worn out 2.0 with like 110psi of compression (haven't checked it with these cams yet), so I think my engine really hates how late the intake valves close with these cams. I think these cams would be amazing with a 2.4, but I'm very disappointed with them with my current setup.


My profile is up to date other than a bolton big h1c, RVR (Evo-like) IM, PTE 880 injectors, and MAP Ultimate-duty head studs.

 

[keltalon]

The K272's killed my spool and torque vs my BC272's (the car isn't even fun in 1st or 2nd gear anymore) without a real hp gain that could ever make up for it. Do you think adjustable cam gears would be a big help, or should I just put in smaller cams again? I also have a worn out 2.0 with like 110psi of compression (haven't checked it with these cams yet), so I think my engine really hates how late the intake valves close with these cams. I think these cams would be amazing with a 2.4, but I'm very disappointed with them with my current setup.


My profile is up to date other than a bolton big h1c, RVR (Evo-like) IM, PTE 880 injectors, and MAP Ultimate-duty head studs.

killing your spool was due to the fact you had no way of adjusting them! the k272s are very aggressive cams and breaths well for a large turbo and SMIM. On my set up they were monstrous up top with a a good bit sacrifice down low This was with them installed straight up!

Therefore I made adjustments to accomondate my current set up for a happy medium. You definitely need cam gears this will give you the ability to widen lobe separation as this will help with drivability.

 

[red1993gsallmt]

WOW I was looking at running a TOGA pump but after that story I'm more than convinced not to run one now. In no way am I saying that EVERY TOGA pump will fail or that it's a bad product but I'd rather stick with OEM and take my chances.

Ive had good luck with the safety oil pump, 12,000 miles of abuse and oil pressure is still where i set it, 20psi at idle, 75+psi at redline. but then again i dont go over 7500rpm with my stroker, but i must say ever sense i switched from web street grinds to the delta h272,s it pulls alot harder from 4500rpm to 7500 and wants to keep going. and the power band is so much smoother. i havent gone to the track yet but i bet i picked up .5 of a sec.

 

[turboglenn]

excuse my ignorance but what is a "TOGA" oil pump? love the thread, but very sorry to hear how much your having to shell out in mis-haps to bring us this info

BTW... when you're all done if you have a DKS or similiar grind 272 intake cam i'd like to have one to go 272/272 from my 264/272. or hell depending on what the 280's doto your spool I might be interested in buying them, that is IF you're gonna sell any of them

By the way. I'm running 4* advance exhaust and 4* retarded intake cam, I'm seeing a loss in bottom end, but the car pulls to 8k super easily all on it's own when the power comes on. I also lost some MPG's due to less overlap and no backpressure in the cylinder from our turbos so i'm gettin a much better fill in the cylinders and the change in my tune proves it (turbo cars dont' like overlap like NA's do, but i think u know that)

anyway... keep the posts coming and I hope you can go "failure free" form here

 

[keltalon]

excuse my ignorance but what is a "TOGA" oil pump? love the thread, but very sorry to hear how much your having to shell out in mis-haps to bring us this info

BTW... when you're all done if you have a DKS or similiar grind 272 intake cam i'd like to have one to go 272/272 from my 264/272. or hell depending on what the 280's doto your spool I might be interested in buying them, that is IF you're gonna sell any of them

By the way. I'm running 4* advance exhaust and 4* retarded intake cam, I'm seeing a loss in bottom end, but the car pulls to 8k super easily all on it's own when the power comes on. I also lost some MPG's due to less overlap and no backpressure in the cylinder from our turbos so i'm gettin a much better fill in the cylinders and the change in my tune proves it (turbo cars dont' like overlap like NA's do, but i think u know that)

anyway... keep the posts coming and I hope you can go "failure free" form here

its not necessary to spead the overlap on the 264/272 combo for there is very minimum overlap as it is. so I would go maybe 0* on the exhaust and maybe 2* retard on the intake considering that it is the bigger cam. let me know how that doeas Here's the link to the toga oil pump.

Import Performance Parts - Mitsubishi TOGA HV Oil Pumps

Okay fellas I tried my best to succeed on this cam test but I think the straw has broken the camels back! My worst nightmare has come true The turbo is the only thing That wasn't replace after the failed oil pump that caused the spun rod bearing, I was hoping that it was alright but its not, it died today Finally I have reached a point of frustration after spending so much money and time trying to complete the cam testing. I am at crossroads right now trying to decide whether to continue or not! I spoke with david at bullseye and they are willing to give me a good deal on a center section but after the two engine rebuild back to back I am just numb. As of right now the test is on hold until I can financially act on bullseye offer I appreciate the support that has been given to this thread Maybe some time in the future I will be able to complete it.

 

[AlphaVision]

That really sucks, man Sorry to hear that. I hope that you will be back on track soon and you will have no worries at all

 

[keltalon]

That really sucks, man Sorry to hear that. I hope that you will be back on track soon and you will have no worries at all

Okay guys I think I am going to hang in there with the testing. I got a good deal on getting my turbo replaced Its going to take about a week to get the new section and get it on the car. Therefore the testing will continue!

 

[boosted86]

Okay guys I think I am going to hang in there with the testing. I got a good deal on getting my turbo replaced Its going to take about a week to get the new section and get it on the car. Therefore the testing will continue!

glad to hear your staying in there man, it will pay off. keep us updated...

 

[Killa_dsm]

Glad you are hanging in there with it. Keep us posted, cant wait to see more results.

 

[keltalon]

Well guys as you know my turbo died and I am in the process of replacing it with a new unit. But before the turbo passed I was able to do a couple of hard WOT pulls with the Bc 280s and I must say I am somewhat impressed. The cams pull really nicely from down low to up top I have my redline set at 8000rpm and the cam will bounce that like a basket ball no joke very different than with the Bc 272s which is in my opinion a very drivable very good low end power cam.

I will say make no mistake about it the 280s are not your typical drop in and go cams you will need adjustable cam gears to be able to make the necessary degreeable adjustments and This is understandable since the 280s are borderline race cams. Even with the cam gears It took me a little while to find a happy settings But I must say the time spent is well worth the results I get excellent gas mileage, very good power throughout my rpm band with excellent upper rpm power. I ended up with a setting of 7* advance on the exhaust cam and 2* retard on the intake cam best setting so far for my set up! when my new turbo gets in I will get it on the car and get this thing dynoed asap!

 

[keltalon]

Okay guys its official the testing is Done with the exception of the bc280s that's in the car right now!! I just got a call on how much its going to cost to replace my turbo and instead of the straw that breaks the camel's back its more like a brick that my back can't bear I would like to thanks everybody's support and I must say it has been fun. I need to come up with funds to replace my turbo therefore I have some cams for sale. pm me if you are interested

 

[keltalon]

All cams sold! Turbo will be here next week.