big brake kit weight question

[dconspiracy16]

Next mod planned is big brakes. I was looking at tce's 13" kit front and rear. The car is a 96 gsx built 2.0 6235 turbo, standalone........ puts down just under 600whp. I need something that will give me better stopping power, save rotating mass, and look good doing it. Ive looked around and have been having a hard time finding a brake weight discussion. The car will not autocross. Mainly street driving, minimal track time. Any imput would be appreciated. Heres tce's site. All I could find is shipping weight not rotor weight.Eclipse - Kits

 

[TSiAWD666]

Call Todd@TCE and ask the weights. He'll tell you whatever you want to know. If you don't care about all our performance (caliper stiffness and design) and just want something light weight the wilwood setup he sells is going to be the winner.

 

[dconspiracy16]

Ya, I called him. He wasnt sure about the weights. He was a really nice guy. Its awsome to get a human on the phone when you call a company especially the owner!! So you're saying the drillrd/slotted 13" rotor is deffinetely lighter than our stock ones?

 

[Canadian_CD9A]

The 12.2" 2-piece rotor is going to be lighter than stock at about 10.3lbs each, the 13" 2-piece will be slightly heavier than stock at about 13.8lbs. The 13" one-piece runs about 19lbs each, which is a 6lb increase over stock at each corner...in other words, huge. You don't want rotating weight where you don't need it. Unsprung weight is bad enough, but rotating weight kills everything. Handling, acceleration, gas mileage, you name it.

 

[TSiAWD666]

No, I'm just saying in that size it's going to be the lightest there is.

 

[RvlutionMtrsprt]

Have you looked into StopTech? I have a TCE kit on one of my cars and it's not bad, but during repeated high speed stops I experience some brake fade which I don't like. My next purchase will be a set of StopTech's. The cars I've driven with them have the best brakes I've used (Wilwood, Brembo, Baer, StopTech). The only thing I've liked better than the StopTech's was a stupid expensive set of 12 piston Endless brakes on a MKIV Supra.

 

[dconspiracy16]

Thanks for the info canadian, and yes I briefly looked at stoptech but I didn't think they made a 4 wheel kit for our cars. I am pretty anal and really wanted a new all wheel setup. stoptech seems like they are a little more $$ but if they are considerably lighter I would probably bite the bullet. The car is going on race gas soon and should make great power. All plans for the car point to a high hp build, but it will still be streetable. A lot of the drag kits I see don't seem ok for the street even though I put minimal miles on the car. Is that true?

 

[NWHTanK]

I've have the willwood set from tod. Havent put them on yet. The rear uses a modified oem rotor machined down so the will wood rotor will bolt to it but that's only if u opt for the ebrake setup. The fronts are aluminum hats. As far as wieght they are smaller and less bulky then brembos even with me going 6 piston fronts and 4 piston rears.

 

[NWHTanK]

Well if you have the brembo brake brackets I think u you can run the stoptech . Basicaly its a modified version for evo so it sould work if you have the brembo mods.

 

[Canadian_CD9A]

Don't do drag kits, they aren't meant for street duty. Even Wilwood Dynalite calipers aren't up to the task. It would take a Superlite kit to stop your car, especially on a track.
StopTech's kits are good, they are well engineered and great value for the price. I really don't like the Brembo mod for DSMs; machining a chunk out of the caliper's integrity is as unsafe as it gets, in my opinion.
One option is to get RTMRacing's Cobra kit, but replace the rotors with 2-piece units from Baer or FullTiltBoogie. Nice light performance caliper at a good price.

 

[arrowhead]

I've have the willwood set from tod. Havent put them on yet. The rear uses a modified oem rotor machined down so the will wood rotor will bolt to it but that's only if u opt for the ebrake setup. The fronts are aluminum hats. As far as wieght they are smaller and less bulky then brembos even with me going 6 piston fronts and 4 piston rears.

Which 6 piston are you using and did you need any adapters

Wilwoods are a lot lighter and lower profile right?

 

[RvlutionMtrsprt]

The StopTech's are bolt-on, no brackets needed. Don't know where you heard otherwise. As for a drag kit, don't run one on the street... Well, do as you please, but you'd never catch me do that in a million years. I run my cars pretty hard on the canyon roads and need a great deal more stopping power than any drag kit can provide. I hear what you're saying about having the same front/rear brakes but I think you'll have to sacrifice that if you want the best stopping performance.

 

[NWHTanK]

Which 6 piston are you using and did you need any adapters

Wilwoods are a lot lighter and lower profile right?

Yes they have a lower profile and and more compact design. Check out my build. But seeing how you are building a race car don't get the rear ebrake set up.

 

[dconspiracy16]

Maybe I'll call todd and see if i could get the willwood set up without the rotors and grab some light 2 piece ones. And yes, I'm not a fan of the brembo swap either.

 

[NWHTanK]

The StopTech's are bolt-on, no brackets needed. Don't know where you heard otherwise. As for a drag kit, don't run one on the street... Well, do as you please, but you'd never catch me do that in a million years. I run my cars pretty hard on the canyon roads and need a great deal more stopping power than any drag kit can provide. I hear what you're saying about having the same front/rear brakes but I think you'll have to sacrifice that if you want the best stopping performance.

Last time I look they were a incomplete set for a dsm. And best describe is to get the evo set up and mod them like the brembos. I was thinking about going that route but that cost way more than the willwood setup. Tod at tce is a top notch guy.

 

[NWHTanK]

Think about it if a evo guy upgrades to stop tech. Then thier upgrade will also work for the dsm with mods like the brembo.

 

[NWHTanK]

Which 6 piston are you using and did you need any adapters

Wilwoods are a lot lighter and lower profile right?

When you buy the kit it comes with every thing u need to bolt on . Bolts, brackets , brake fluid, calipers , rotors, the only thing it dosent come in the kit is lock tight for bolting the rotos together.

Forgot to mention fluid and stainless lines for replacing the hoses., it comes with that to. I will post picks up when I get done eating.

 

[NWHTanK]

Front is plus 3
13x1.10
47 lbs
Option drilled and sloted
6piston

Rear is plus 2
52 lbs
Option drilled and sloted
Same size rear rotor
4 piston

The reason the weight is higher for rear is becuase of the steel center for the ebrake.

 

[dconspiracy16]

Ya. Thats a decent weight increase. If it wasn't rotating mass I wouldn't mind much. Someone needs to put a light weight 4-wheel street kit just for me. Hahaha

 

[NWHTanK]

The wieght is not per corner but per axle so divide those numbers by 2 per wheel

 

[NWHTanK]

Left is a front right is a rear.

 

[NWHTanK]

here you can see the machined oem rear rotor. this is for the ebrake setup.

 

[Todd TCE]

The rear would be much lighter except for the required iron hat. I can do one in aluminum. And you can gut the parking brake but save the steel backing plate for simple fit. I'd have to rethink the parts and brackets a bit and see if I could clean it up some that way. Should be doable.

The limitation of "matchy-matchy" for all the parts is often based upon caliper models available with satisfactory piston sizes and based upon rotor width. There are actually a few things today that would allow for some of that. But they come at the price of both radial mount models and the required radial mount brackets. The cost goes way up.

As for the noted fade above; I'd suggest a move to some more heat tolerant pads as a good place to start. If you're getting fade my money would be on the pad compound first. Lemme know if you need some help.

 

[NWHTanK]

6 piston front and 4 piston rear

 

[NWHTanK]

This just some of the hardware u get . pads and lines not in the pic.