Best Turbo? [Merged 9-9] turbocharger upgrade

[hukster00]

hi, i wona upgrade my turbo on the gsx, and there is so many choices dont know which one to buy, so i asking you pepz wich turbo is best for under 1k for street/strip setup thanks,

 

[NOMIEZVR4]

why not just get 100 octane for like 3-4$$ a gallon??

 

[HighPsi91]

BHP stands for brake horsepower BTW.

 

[ZSPTurbo]

Originally posted by HighPsi91
BHP stands for brake horsepower BTW.

the people who dont know that probably dont know what brake is. they might think that you are measuring HP from the brakek calipers or something, .

 

[ZSPTurbo]

Originally posted by NOMIEZVR4
why not just get 100 octane for like 3-4$$ a gallon??

cause we dont have it here, and it would be more expensive anyways.

cause we dont have it here, and it would be more expensive anyways.

 

[TurboSpoolinIns]

Originally posted by ZSPTurbo


the people who dont know that probably dont know what brake is. they might think that you are measuring HP from the brakek calipers or something, .

BTW, I have heard it alot in european countries when they say "brake horse power", but what's that really mean? (Don't flame me for it, but I am really curious because I did a internet search and got #### as a result)

 

[ZSPTurbo]

Originally posted by TurboSpoolinIns


BTW, I have heard it alot in european countries when they say "brake horse power", but what's that really mean? (Don't flame me for it, but I am really curious because I did a internet search and got #### as a result)

brake basically means flywheel. its what your engine actually makes.

 

[mclaren55]

400whp is attainable with the proper setup on pump gas and 20#'s. At 1Bar my car is making 370whp. At 21#'s she makes over 430WHP, and yes this is on pump gas. I have a 60-1, so it looks like a tad bit laggier then what you are looking for. However, it does make that type of power pretty easily, but I also have one of the best DSM tuners in Canada (probably in the world) tuning my Haltech.

 

[DSMJim]

The T3/T4 50trim is a great choice. If your looking for 400BHP or at the flywheel thats say 320-330 at the wheels which is no problem with pump gas. If that is really what your looking for I woulnd't use a .63 exhaust housing. The .48 is plenty for that HP level and will spool much faster. Use the .63 if you want to actually make 400wheel but you would probalbly want a 57 trim with the .63 for that HP level. (Stay away from the 54 wheel at all costs it's a very inefficient crappy wheel. Turbonetics makes it and even they say it's crap ...)

You will also need an external gate and manifold for that. Turbonetics sells it all for our cars the manifold gate turbo etc etc.. Other than my manifold that I am making myself im getting everything from turbonetics for my car.. Turbo Intercooler and New Gen wastegate. Im looking for 350wheel HP and im going to use the T3/T4 50 trim .48 exhaust stage 3. They told me that would make 350 no problem and if I wanted to make 400whp later on I could easily have the .48 changed for a .63 pretty cheaply. They said the .48 will spool much faster and make piles of top end power. The .63 isn't needed until 400wheel which is a lot of power...

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[TSi92]

Originally posted by rdrkt
Ok first of thanks for starting a new thread.

IMO 20 lbs of boost isnt really enough to make 400hp on any turbo. A few more lbs and you should be able to make that on a 20g or 50trim. Obviously you will need the rest of the mods to support it. But that is the answer to your question.

A local guy dynoed 450 on a 57 at 21 psi.

 

[ZSPTurbo]

ok, what I have decided to do, based mostly on your guys opinions is to get a t3/t4 50 trim, with the .48 exhaust. I'll run a AEM EMS. Im gonna get these two things at the same time... total money spent on those two upgrades should be around 3k..... damn. gonna have to save for that

actually, can I get the turbo before the EMS? like, if I already have injectors and fuel pump.... I'd like to not spend the money on a fuel controller untill the EMS though.... could the stock ECU do it?

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by ZSPTurbo
could the stock ECU do it?

No dont even bother trying

 

[iwantawd]

i think i just saw someone on this forum with an agp l2r making 380 something at 20 psi.

 

[na90dsm]

i dont mean to jump in but i was wondering if a fp green turbo could make 400whp with a standalone and full supporting mods to back it up.and could it be done on 94 octane pump gas.

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by na90dsm
i dont mean to jump in but i was wondering if a fp green turbo could make 400whp with a standalone and full supporting mods to back it up.and could it be done on 94 octane pump gas.

Yes But buying the parts is only half the battle. I wouldnt get your hopes up its tough trying to get 400hp on pump gas. Took me a lot of time and effort to make about that in my car.

 

[DSMJim]

Originally posted by ZSPTurbo
actually, can I get the turbo before the EMS? like, if I already have injectors and fuel pump.... I'd like to not spend the money on a fuel controller untill the EMS though.... could the stock ECU do it?

Well rdrkt says no, but I have seen lots of guys make in the 350 wheel department with a safc and injectors so yeah you can run that turbo with a stock ECU as long as your using a piggy back of some type to handle the extra fuel requirements.

AFC setups have brought guys into mid 11's at 400wheel hp so yeah it can be done just be prepared to spend some time getting it setup right.

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by ZSPTurbo
actually, can I get the turbo before the EMS? like, if I already have injectors and fuel pump.... I'd like to not spend the money on a fuel controller untill the EMS though.... could the stock ECU do it?

Originally posted by DSMJim
Well rdrkt says no, but I have seen lots of guys make in the 350 wheel department with a safc and injectors so yeah you can run that turbo with a stock ECU as long as your using a piggy back of some type to handle the extra fuel requirements.

I don’t know when I take a second look it seems like he wants to install all of this stuff with no fuel control at all. I doubt you could even get the car to idle with bigger injectors and no fuel control. I know VERY well just how far you can take a SAFC. I did a 12.1@117 on 94 octane pump gas with a safc and a hacked 1g MAS.

 

[ZSPTurbo]

well, is there any fuel controllers that are cheaper than the apexi? cause I cant afford to do it all at once, and I would like to run bigger injectors and fuel pump on the stock turbo for a while before I can afford the new turbo and ems. basically I want to be super ghetto and cheap with my fuel controller untill I can afford the ems. jeez, the bastard is almost $2000..... My laptop costed less, .

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by ZSPTurbo
well, is there any fuel controllers that are cheaper than the apexi? cause I cant afford to do it all at once, and I would like to run bigger injectors and fuel pump on the stock turbo for a while before I can afford the new turbo and ems. basically I want to be super ghetto and cheap with my fuel controller untill I can afford the ems. jeez, the bastard is almost $2000..... My laptop costed less, .

Save your pennies until you can do it right. Trust me on this. What EMS is costing 2k!?! My Haltech was about 1300 shipped.

 

[ZSPTurbo]

Originally posted by rdrkt

Save your pennies until you can do it right. Trust me on this. What EMS is costing 2k!?! My Haltech was about 1300 shipped.

aem ems is 1800, but there is no tuning involved at first, no fabricating, it goes exactly in place of the stock unit. it comes with baseline maps, so all you have to do is fine tuning. you can run it directly on your laptop, and reprogram stuff on your own. check it out, its awesome.

 

[ZSPTurbo]

wow. I just did a little more internet searching and found it for 1400. time to continue searching till I can find it for 12 or less

 

[DSMJim]

Originally posted by rdrkt
I don’t know when I take a second look it seems like he wants to install all of this stuff with no fuel control at all. I doubt you could even get the car to idle with bigger injectors and no fuel control. I know VERY well just how far you can take a SAFC. I did a 12.1@117 on 94 octane pump gas with a safc and a hacked 1g MAS.

Hmm. yeah it does look that way. I got a Type-R to idle with 550's in it and they come with 230's stock .. It was an emerg situation where the car needed to be driven and I got it to start and idle and drive with like 120% extra fuel. hahaha. It was barfing black smoke pretty bad though .. Once the AEM EMS was in it ran nice.

AEM EMS is also a pain in the ass to tune too, just so you know.

 

[TSi92]

Originally posted by rdrkt

No dont even bother trying

I've seen plenty of piggy-back controlled cars make 400 whp (remember he said 400 BHP wich it's roughly 345 whp). The stock ECU is very capable, even with the stock MAS it can make plenty of power.

 

[TSi92]

Originally posted by ZSPTurbo


aem ems is 1800, but there is no tuning involved at first, no fabricating, it goes exactly in place of the stock unit. it comes with baseline maps, so all you have to do is fine tuning. you can run it directly on your laptop, and reprogram stuff on your own. check it out, its awesome.

You're getting a$$-raped if you buy an AEM EMS for $1800. You can get it for as low as $1300 if you shop around.

 

[TSi92]

Originally posted by DSMJim


Hmm. yeah it does look that way. I got a Type-R to idle with 550's in it and they come with 230's stock .. It was an emerg situation where the car needed to be driven and I got it to start and idle and drive with like 120% extra fuel. hahaha. It was barfing black smoke pretty bad though .. Once the AEM EMS was in it ran nice.

AEM EMS is also a pain in the ass to tune too, just so you know.

Any standalone is a pain if you have no clue about tuning. I'm just starting to learn the GEMS software and it seems pretty straight-forward, thanks to one of my friend's that's also learning how to play with it I'm pretty much learning from him. Sure, I'm clueless about some features and what not, but I can see myself learning how to tune it properly All I need is some time to learn how to use it. If I can learn the software, anyone can. Hell I remember when a S-AFC seemed just as intimidating.

 

[Slowboy]

400 WHP is not to hard as you can see... Many of the guys here on the list have made that type of power on pump gas... My 91 TSI last year made 434 WHP on a 60 trim, stage 5, and .63 a/r turbine side. This was on a 1g mas and SAFC. Car ran 120-121 MPH on pump gas any day of the week. Car picked up a good bit when we went to a 2g mas..

My FWD dynoed over 400 WHP with 230 miles on the motor and a 2g mas. Turbo is my GT12 @ 22 psi. A little more work should see numbers similar to the AWD. Makes for a fun FWD on the street however!

But buying the parts is only half the battle

This should honestly be the quote of the century! I was thinking a little closer to 1/3 of the battle though

Regards,

Mike Huml