Resolved 1G Brake Upgrade to 2G/Outlander Caliper, need SS Brake Lines

[PredatorSniper]

Hello Experts,

I have a 1990 Talon TSi AWD. I purchased the car, it came with the typical 8-piece SS Braided line upgrade. From what I'm reading, for me to go to a 2G or Outlander front brake upgrade I need to have a banjo type fitting vs the threaded fitting my 1G currently has for brake lines.

Is there any way to source the one SS brake line that goes from my strut to the caliper that will fit the Outlander brake kit? Or can you tell me what types of ends I need so I can get some custom brake lines made?

Thank you in advance,
Mike

 

[CrackedDSM]

Depending on what braided line kit you have, you may be able to just get an adapter for the end of the line that adapts the end to a banjo style fitting.

 

[LaserRS92]

I got mine from JNZ Tuning a few years ago when I needed a set of stainless lines. Basically the fitting you need is found on the newer generation DSM's. So whether you go to 2g twin piston calipers, Outlander, or whatever, it will need the other fitting style.

 

[pauleyman]

Hello Experts,

I have a 1990 TSi AWD Talon. I purchased the car, it came with the typical 8-peice SS Braided line upgrade. From what I'm reading, for me to go to a 2G or Outlander front brake upgrade I need to have a banjo type fitting vs the threaded fitting my 1G currently has for brake lines. Is there any way to source the one SS brake line that goes from my strut to the caliper that will fit the outlander brake kit? Or can you tell me what types of ends I need so I can get some custom brake lines made?

Thank you in advance,
Mike

You don't have to use those calipers. You can use 1g dual piston calipers if you want to keep your lines.

 

[PredatorSniper]

You don't have to use those calipers. You can use 1g dual piston calipers if you want to keep your lines.

Hello,

Yes, I understand that. I'm more looking for the Outlander upgrade. Thanks

 

[RamenPride]

Hello,

Yes, I understand that. I'm more looking for the Outlander upgrade. Thanks

The bracket is the only difference.

 

[PredatorSniper]

The bracket is the only difference.

I'm tracking, just need the brake lines with the correct fittings without buying a whole new brand new set of 8 lines, of which are for a 1G, but yet can be used on the Outlander calipers (aka the banjo type fitting).

 

[pauleyman]

The bracket is the only difference.

Beat me to it. Bracket and rotor. Caliper is the same except for the fitting.

Put a 1g caliper on an Outlander bracket. Problem might be finding a 1g dual piston calipers. They're only on 93 94 AWD and GVR4. You can use 3000gt non turbo or Diamante but the pistons are different so they're not 100% identical.

I'm tracking, just need the brake lines with the correct fittings without buying a whole new brand new set of 8 lines, of which are for a 1G, but yet can be used on the Outlander calipers (aka the banjo type fitting).

Sort of. Only thing you need for sure is Outlander bracket and rotor. What caliper and brake line you choose is up to you. I was under the impression you wanted to keep your 1g lines because you already have them. If so you need the calipers I suggested.

 

[PredatorSniper]

Beat me to it. Bracket and rotor. Caliper is the same except for the fitting. Put a 1g caliper on an outlander bracket. Problem might be finding a 1g dual piston calipers. They're only on 93 94 awd and gvr4. You can use 3000gt non turbo or diamante but the pistons are different so they're not 100% identical.

Tracking, last I looked finding 93/94 calipers is almost next to impossible. Finding all the other parts are easy through RockAuto.com. Just need the brake line for the 1G to 2G deal figured out.

Sort of. Only thing you need for sure is outlander bracket and rotor. What caliper and brake line you choose is up to you. I was under the impression you wanted to keep your 1g lines because you already have them. If so you need the calipers I suggested.

From my understanding for me to select the Outlander/2G Caliper, those require the banjo type fitting. If I can't find the 93/94 caliper which would accept my current brake line configuration, then I need the 1G to 2G style brake line setup.

The 2Gs only utilize one brake line per wheel, whereas the 1G has a (2) brake line setup. I just need the lower line that goes from my strut fitting, down to the 2G/Outlander style banjo fitting. I can buy a new set of (8) SS brake lines from JNZ tuning for $135, but I only need the (2) lines, not 8.

If someone can tell me what the fitting are on both ends, I may be able to have a brake shop in town custom make me the two lines I need. I believe the banjo fitting for the caliper side is a 10mm. Not sure what type of fitting is on the strut tower location?

 

[Drewpy Dawg]

You'll need an adapter that has M10x1.0 female threads on one end and a banjo fitting on the other. I did a quick search but I'm not seeing such an adapter in the usual places. May take some digging. When I installed my Outlander brakes I ordered lines from JNZ and selected the option for a 1G kit with banjo fitting. You may contact Josh and see if he can source just the one hose you need.

 

[PredatorSniper]

You'll need an adapter that has M10x1.0 female threads on one end and a banjo fitting on the other. I did a quick search but I'm not seeing such an adapter in the usual places. May take some digging. When I installed my Outlander brakes I ordered lines from JNZ and selected the option for a 1G kit with banjo fitting. You may contact Josh and see if he can source just the one hose you need.

Awesome idea, I did not think about this. I did get the thread sizes from STM Tuned (even though they don't offer the fitting or the brake lines I need). Now were to source that fitting from. I'm still waiting on Josh to respond from JNZ, thank you for this!

Something like this: https://belmetric.com/m10x1-0-metri...HAj4a270qiijrOqxCpcsksvaL6YnegKhoCdMEQAvD_BwE

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[Drewpy Dawg]

Something like this: https://belmetric.com/m10x1-0-metri...HAj4a270qiijrOqxCpcsksvaL6YnegKhoCdMEQAvD_BwE

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Yes, something like that, but you would have to determine if that 45° inverted flare is the correct match for the end of your brake hose. That mating surface is what makes the seal and you don’t want to take chances with brakes.

 

[PredatorSniper]

Yes, something like that, but you would have to determine if that 45° inverted flare is the correct match for the end of your brake hose. That mating surface is what makes the seal and you don’t want to take chances with brakes.

I have yet to remove my SS lines on my car yet, but from the STM tuned pictures, they look correct. The threaded part that screws into the 1G caliper appear to be female, and the Bellmetric fitting appears to be flared in a male configuration.

 

[dwb]

Did you ever come up with a solution to this? Did you try that banjo adapter?

 

[PredatorSniper]

I purchased the components, but I have yet to purchase the calipers to make sure that the type of banjo fitting I bought would clear the little alignment tabs that help line up the brake line to the caliper. If you know what I mean. That was my only concern, maybe I would just have to grind a little bit on those alignment tabs and I’m sure that banjo fitting would probably work. I got sidetracked on a different project with the car, but it is still on my radar to do next.

 

[dwb]

Yep, that makes sense. Keep us updated if you ever tackle that.
I've yet to purchase anything but after looking through http://vfaq.com/mods/BigBrakesInfo.html, it seems the NA 3kGT/Stealth calipers are a direct fit for 1g lines AND they are readily available with brackets.

 

[pauleyman]

Yep, that makes sense. Keep us updated if you ever tackle that.
I've yet to purchase anything but after looking through http://vfaq.com/mods/BigBrakesInfo.html, it seems the NA 3kgt/stealth calipers are a direct fit for 1g lines. AND they are readily available with brackets.

Keep in mind 3kgt n/a brakes are not the same as 93,94 awd brakes. Piston sizes are different so bias will be different.

 

[dwb]

Keep in mind 3kgt n/a brakes are not the same as 93,94 awd brakes. Piston sizes are different so bias will be different.

Good to know, I was wondering why I could find 3kgt but not 93/94 AWD.
Are they smaller pistons? I'm assuming you have to use 3kgt pads and rotors with them.

 

[pauleyman]

Good to know, I was wondering why I could find 3kgt but not 93/94 AWD.
Are they smaller pistons? I'm assuming you have to use 3kgt pads and rotors with them.

Pads and rotors are the same. If you didn't know the pistons are different you probably wouldn't notice. It all bolts up the same.

 

[PredatorSniper]

Pads and rotors are the same. If you didn't know the pistons are different you probably wouldn't notice. It all bolts up the same.

What about size differences between the Outlander kit and the 3kGT. Rotor and caliper piston size differences?

 

[dwb]

Here's some good info for the Outlander brakes: https://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/05-06-outlander-bigger-brake-upgrade.428973/
Still has the banjo bolt and may or may not fit an OEM size wheel.

 

[1990TSIAWDTALON]

So, to be clear, it MAY NOT FIT A 16" RIM.
I don't want anyone to miss that.
I, myself, don't know, so I hope someone else will confirm or deny it.
Marty

 

[DarkStalker]

Here's the ss brake lines you need,

FTP Front Brake Line Kits: Mitsubishi 1990-1994 Eclipse AWD with 1995-1999 Eclipse (2G) AWD Calipers

FTP is D.O.T. Certified--Safety Matters. Fluid Transfer Products, Inc. is a manufacturer of stainless steel braided Teflon® hoses. Like steel belted radial tires on your vehicle, steel-braided brake lines provide a similar improvement in safety. Unlike the factory-original rubber brake lines...

www.extremepsi.com

Cheers, D.S

 

[CrackedDSM]

To add, I tried the 45* flare fitting to banjo adapter and it leaked no matter what I did.


If you thread the flare fitting into the banjo bolt location with a copper crush washer it will not leak. Even under max braking. I used 1g NA Stealth calipers and am extremely happy with brake performance, and I kept my 1g stainless lines.

 

[dwb]

To add, I tried the 45* flare fitting to banjo adapter and it leaked no matter what I did.


If you thread the flare fitting into the banjo bolt location with a copper crush washer it will not leak. Even under max braking. I used 1g NA Stealth calipers and am extremely happy with brake performance, and I kept my 1g stainless lines.

I thought you used Outlander calipers?

This is a base model 1g 3kgt/stealth caliper. Not a banjo like 2g DSM.

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