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2G Xona Rotor Turbochargers

Posted by TSiBOLO, Nov 12, 2018

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  1. TSiBOLO

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    Is anyone running these beauties on their 2.0s? Was wanting to run a 6266/6466 comparable version for my 9:1 build this winter.
     

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  2. JusMX141

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    Which one, specifically? Most of them are just renamed versions of FP turbochargers that have been available for a few years.
     

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  3. TSiBOLO

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    The XR8267 in particular.
     

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  4. Vegas smith

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    I think Scott Laird runs. Hit him up on Facebook. I forget his name on here.
     

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  5. TSiBOLO

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    I don’t have Facebook unfortunately, but thank you!
     

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  6. TSiBOLO

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    I ended up buying the 95•67 from ArcherFab during his Blackfriday sales. Was curious to know if I would be misusing this turbo on a 9:1-9:5 compression engine. I’m only on 93 currently.
     

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  7. ec17pse

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    I read the xona turbos are Tial branded or made by Tial, maybe my googling failed me but thats what i took from reading online, so they have a nicer CHRA setup but if its based on a FP turbo is there still going to be the same lower quality we see and reliability from the FP name?
     

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  8. JusMX141

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    You bought a FP Super 94. Look around, there should be plenty of info on users running that turbo...although you'll definitely want a different fuel than pump gas if you want the turbo to work well for you.
     

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  9. TSiBOLO

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    I haven’t been around long enough to know about FP’s wrongdoings or poor quality but from what I’ve experienced and read they seem to be a great company. But more so what I was referring to was possibly running lower compression and higher boost...
     

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  10. TSiBOLO

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    Would water/meth be exceptable? E85 is a 20min drive from me. Also thank you for the Super 94 cross reference. I’ll do some reading up.
     

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    I can't think of anyone personally running pump gas on a 700+whp 4G63 build. Realistically that turbo is rated for something like 90 lb/min so that's closer to 900 at the crank. Pump gas effective limit seems to be around 500-550 horsepower on our platform depending on the turbo selection. You can make more but at some point the graph between power made and power you're leaving on the table takes a sharp turn upward.

    Lower octane fuels burn quicker; often the fuel will start burning under compression alone before the compression cycle reaches top dead center which can start a downward spiral of knock. A methanol-laden air charge can cool the combustion cycle down enough to aid in knock prevention but it doesn't always alter the point in the cycle at which the fuel itself burns under compression. Trying to tune around detonation forces the timing "punch" out of the tune at peak torque and makes the turbo feel lazy as a result. If you're drag-only where the RPMs are constantly above peak torque it doesn't really matter, but for street driving you lose that "wow" factor for your passengers where you can just mash the throttle and let them see sky when the turbo lights.

    At high RPM with a forced-induction application you're leaving a lot of power and potential on the table by staying with a poor quality fuel. I'd find an empty drum and fill it up if you have to. It seems counter-productive to install a $2000 67mm turbo on your car only to be held back by fuel type.
     

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  12. Vegas smith

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    You should have asked this question before you bought the turbo :)
     

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  13. Boomdeeze

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    Did I miss a thread on FP not having good quality turbos? I've been running the HTA76 (Xona Rotor DSM 61-56) since 2015 at ~40 psi without one issue. I'm not saying no one has had an issue with a single turbo but wondering where this came about.
     

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  14. TSiBOLO

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    Thank you for all the knowledge JusMX. I will switch to e85 then. I bought this turbo because in my mind it would be the last I’d ever need. Doubtfully I will ever max it out. Likewise with the motor build, Manley crank, Manley turbo tuff I-beams and wiseco 1400hds, 625+ head studs, arp main studs and so on.
    And you’re probably right but I thought I could get some opinions now. I had it in my mind that being auto the 9.5:1 would be great to get me through the low rpms faster. But wouldn’t be able to run much boost.
     

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    Some folks are skeptical of FPs quality on their journal bearing line.
     

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    I’ve been running my jb red at 30+ psi since May, actually 35psi for a couple months now and still has zero shaft play, I know people say to not go over 30 if you want them to live but I don’t drive my car an excessive amount, and I wasn’t seeing the airflow I wanted until I went over 30psi, so far the red has continued to pump out more airflow the more I’ve turned it up, but I’ll probably stop at 35 psi and report back in a year LOL
     

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    Its a hit and miss thing. Some folks have zero issues and other people have major problems from stsrt to finish and end up going a different brand turbo because of the issues, i read good snd bad things but over the last few years i tend to see more negatives then good. Maybe because people post more abiut bad vs good nowadays i dont know plus if memory is well justin said once abiut the amount of rebuikds he had from FP turbos even being used correctly was quite high,
     

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  18. donniekak

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    You’re going to need a good converter and nitrous to launch with that turbo.
     
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  19. TSiBOLO

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    Definitely, but I want to get motor squared away right now.
     

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    For those that dont know, Xona is the joint venture company between FP, TiAL and owen development. The MFG happens at tial, and uses FP aero. Xona uses billet stainless Ballbearing center cartrages, journal bearing isnt an option. They also just released a new ULTRA HIGH FLOW turbine design this week that they are saying is a game changer.

    Ian, hope you enjoy your turbo and make good power with it! Your top mount manifold is going to be assembled soon!
     

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    Thanks brother, can’t wait to hit the streets. Also just saw that new UHF turbine wheel on their Instagram. Thinking quicker spoolup?
     

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    We shall see with testing, but I assume it’s aimed at ultra high flow LOL


    Also, the 95•67 is not like the super94, it has the smaller gt37 turbine like the hta3794 @JusMX141 the 95•68 is the super94’s replacement.
     
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    So this is not built in fp workshop? But at tial, is that what im reading correctly
     

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    They basically copied the compressor design and reverse-engineered it to the turbine. It's like clipping half of the blades instead of all of them...I'm in for results but I don't anticipate anything substantial in the flow department as I've been screwing with clipping and lesser-blade-count turbines for years with varying results. At the end of the day a 62mm (or whatever size) hole is going to flow what a 62mm hole will allow.

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    Whatever. They both use the same compressor anyway- and Super 94 had a 67mm turbine exducer, not a 68mm...unless FP is inventing new names for wheels that already exist again like they did the 71HTA. Seems like they rename the lineup or reinvent the wheel so-to-speak every couple years to add confusion and keep selling products.
     

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    I believe some are assembled at fp but the actual Machining and development is at tial as far as I know
    if you read on that seemed to have been human error on website discription on michaels part. Also I remember when the super94 came out they discribed it as “it’s like the 3794 went to the gym packing a new big punch” because they changed the turbine size. I remember because I was looking at these turbos myself, and the fact the 67mm turbine would spool slightly quicker then a 68 is what turned me to it over the larger. But we are only talkin 1mm here
     

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