worth getting a tune?

[coupe_nasty]

I currenty have a Hahn 16g turbo. So i installed my walbro 255hp pump, Afpr, FIC 850 injectors, Turbosmart boost controller, and DSMLink. The car feels alot faster than before! Im just wondering can it really get that much faster with a professional dyno tune? The only thing i adjusted in link from factory settings was telling it i have 850 injectors and setting the global% and deadtime. Is there alot more that can be adjusted to get more power? Or am i feeling about as much as im gonna get with what i currently have?

 

[Rsawd95dsm]

Should be able to get more power but before you go get it tuned i would get a wideband on there

 

[91stocker]

Is there alot more that can be adjusted to get more power? Or am i feeling about as much as im gonna get with what i currently have?

Ummm, yea.... How much boost are you pushing? Because your still basically untuned.

Should be able to get more power but before you go get it tuned i would get a wideband on there

This^^

You cant tune with out it.

 

[coupe_nasty]

I called ams tuning and they said they have theyre own wideband in shop so i wouldnt need to get my own to tune it.

I hold around 16psi and spike to about 18psi

 

[Rsawd95dsm]

If your going to do any tuning to it after ams tuning tunes it you will need a wideband plus they are not that expensive 200 i think

 

[GSXftw]

Yes get a wideband for sure!!! Im still on a stock turbo and injectors and I have one! and to answer your question yes, its worth a tune. but if you got a wideband you could do it all yourself, and since you have link, pull up their list of supported WBO2's, and youll have logging capability with it also

 

[lumberjackracing]

It's well worth tuning and its the perfect opportunity to start getting some hands on and learning something about tuning yourself. Get a wideband and start tinkering its the only way to learn there are plenty of people on here to help with questions.

 

[Talon IV]

Oh man once you get that tuned you should notice a pretty significant difference. Pls like stated above, after AMS tunes it, or even before, get yourself a wideband and you can start to tinker with DSMlink on your own. You'll love how your car feels after a good tune.

 

[snowborder714]

It's well worth it to tune the car, whether you do it or someone else. I'm one for doing things yourself so you learn what your car is doing and how tuning affects it. I'd say pick up a wideband and try your hand at tuning. As long as you do some reading and don't make any drastic adjustments, you really have nothing to lose. Plus, you're able to post up logs here and on the link forums and ask for advice.

 

[92AWDHX40]

Ive been using the link forums and reading information here, lots of help when your looking for answers to questions.

 

[Richrd]

If you are running your car with that many aftermarket parts it a must to install a wideband. You always want to keep an eye on how your car is running. You dont want to wait till you burn a piston to know your running lean ect... I know having a wideband even tho i have a good tune has saved my car more than onece. And yea a good tune will deffinetlly up you hp

 

[MY1GDSM]

Like everyone is saying regardless of how you get a tune A wideband is insurance and a valuable tool for any car...

Even if a shop has a wideband chances are a wideband welded in your down pipe (in the proper location)is more then likely gonna be more accurate anyway.

And for around $200 it beats the hell out of having an issues pop up and Not know if you tune is still spot on still... .

 

[Seamus]

Even if a shop has a wideband chances are a wideband welded in your down pipe (in the proper location)is more then likely gonna be more accurate anyway.

Unless these newer generation of sensors are different, the further down the exhaust the better. having the sensor in the tailpipe on the dyno is really the ideal place. I don't think most dyno's on board logging use the really affordable VW sensor like these widebands that have come out in the last 10 years.

 

[MY1GDSM]

Well there is a few things that can affect the accuracy of them in a lot of cases on spool up dyno widebands at the tailpipe will read a lot leaner then they really are...

As long as your Wideband is around 12"-18" from the down pipe I would trust it over anything... Assuming there isn't some better sensor or system I'm not aware of...

 

[jrohner]

Unless these newer generation of sensors are different, the further down the exhaust the better. having the sensor in the tailpipe on the dyno is really the ideal place. I don't think most dyno's on board logging use the really affordable VW sensor like these widebands that have come out in the last 10 years.

No. The closer the better (within reason) as the response is faster -- the further from the engine, the more the delay. Since any exhaust leaks throw the reading off, there's more chance of that with the wideband way back there. Also, they don't actually install the o2, just poke something in the tailpipe, the accuracy is probably not as good anyways.

 

[BigTyla]

Well there is a few things that can affect the accuracy of them in a lot of cases on spool up dyno widebands at the tailpipe will read a lot leaner then they really are...

As long as your Wideband is around 12"-18" from the down pipe I would trust it over anything... Assuming there isn't some better sensor or system I'm not aware of...

No. The closer the better (within reason) as the response is faster -- the further from the engine, the more the delay. Since any exhaust leaks throw the reading off, there's more chance of that with the wideband way back there. Also, they don't actually install the o2, just poke something in the tailpipe, the accuracy is probably not as good anyways.

This seems to be a constant debate and I think both points are valid. I'm eventually going to be getting the Innovate wideband and have been thinking of the best installation location. I can't imagine the delay being significant when placing the sensor in the downpipe as opposed to the stock O2 sensor location. I'd say anything in front of the flex section is an appropriate place.

 

[marcman804]

I just purchased the Innovate LC-1 and I was trying to figure out the best place to install it. Would it be ok to remove the stock one in the O2 housing location and replace it with the wideband?

 

[Seamus]

The info I gave was per Dyno Dynamics. I used to split a space with a guy who did race car prep and campaigned cars and rentals. I was present when the dyno dynamics rep was walking through his new system he purchased from them. But again, this was a different generation on sensors. If you wanted a permanent installation wideband 02, you were ordering from motec, plx, efi technologies etc. I am and always have been a hack, but these guys where the real deal. Like 200 dyno pulls and 15 designs to engineer a class legal header that makes 3 more horsepower than everone elses. This guy and his wife were t1 and t3 champions or runner up year in and year out before he decided to just do rentals.

 

[BigTyla]

I just purchased the Innovate LC-1 and I was trying to figure out the best place to install it. Would it be ok to remove the stock one in the O2 housing location and replace it with the wideband?

You can, but you'll want to fab a heatsink for the wideband so it isn't damaged by the high temps at the exhaust housing. I believe the LC-1 manual shows a cheap way of doing this with a copper plate you can get from Lowes.

 

[jacksons98]

I just purchased the Innovate LC-1 and I was trying to figure out the best place to install it. Would it be ok to remove the stock one in the O2 housing location and replace it with the wideband?

I might be wrong but I was told the best place to install it is right before the catalytic converter. When I bought mine I drove around to a few local shops and asked them "How much to weld this in my exhaust." Found a shop that did it for $30. Most where quoting $50, but it only took them about 15 minutes to do it.
I'm sure you could find something similiar if you call around.

 

[MY1GDSM]

This seems to be a constant debate and I think both points are valid. I'm eventually going to be getting the Innovate wideband and have been thinking of the best installation location. I can't imagine the delay being significant when placing the sensor in the downpipe as opposed to the stock O2 sensor location. I'd say anything in front of the flex section is an appropriate place.

Adding to the debate...

Don't do it..
I don't care who says it will work there unless you have a controller that will tell you that have a sensor timing error(over heating) it is a very bad idea IMHO

Also FYI I used a brand new sensor with heat sink and and my Exhaust is all wraped and in less then 2 month it was dead, I also was constantly having to recalibrate it

 

[jrohner]

I can't imagine the delay being significant when placing the sensor in the downpipe as opposed to the stock O2 sensor location. I'd say anything in front of the flex section is an appropriate place.

I had mine back close to the stock location of the second sensor, and the delay was quite noticeable on the logger. It works much better in the stock location, and it's pretty much necessary if you use the wideband for closed-loop control because you cannot have the added delay. It seems like a large number of Evo people put the wideband in the stock location in the o2 housing with no issues; I have it there in both my DSM's -- a year or so in my 1G, and 2-3 years in my 2G after having it back further for 2-3 years.