Which Turbo Should I Get [merged] What Turbo

[Ludachris]

Which turbo will be sufficient for consistent 11 second times? I've recently decided on a big 16g, but will that be big enough to run 11s with supporting mods and decent tuning? Remember, this is for a budget street car, so any one purchase over $1k is tough. A big 16g will run about $700-900, which is about $300-400 less than the larger alternatives.

Of course, I'll need lots of practice to run these times, but, I just want to make sure that it's possible before the money is spent.

 

[silver bullit]

Evo 3 16g, but youll need some more mods to hit 300 safe

 

[talonDSMerr]

how much boost can you run with a 16g and the 190? i read here the 190 can support up to 400hp

 

[scorpio87m1]

so the upgrade path is misleading caue i was just going to do that and get my 300hp that way

 

[talonDSMerr]

well, the upgrade path tells you to get intake, boost control, bov, less restrictive exhaust, and a more flowing fuel pump before upgrading the turbo. a 14b could meet your 300hp goal tho

 

[scorpio87m1]

yea i know so with the path i can get there with my turbo or will it make more sence to get a 16g

 

[talonDSMerr]

i think 16g would be best, yea. in case you feel 300 isn't enough in the future

 

[silver bullit]

how much boost can you run with a 16g and the 190? i read here the 190 can support up to 400hp

Depends on your mods with just a 190 pump and a 16g 12-16 psi is usually the limit. But to get more out of it youll need more mods.

so the upgrade path is misleading caue i was just going to do that and get my 300hp that way

? There is more then putting a turbo on a car and bumping the boost up... This is not gran turismo on playstation 3.

well, the upgrade path tells you to get intake, boost control, bov, less restrictive exhaust, and a more flowing fuel pump before upgrading the turbo. a 14b could meet your 300hp goal tho

Only if you wanna extract the most power. Its more or less a guide to stuff to do to the car.
If you know what you are doing (how to tune, check for knock and running lean etc)
You just need a 1g crushed bov (or do it yourself), Boost gauge, wideband, logger, Fuel pump and a good non ebay afpr, and a mbc.

This is bare but adding exhaust and intake will net more power easier.

yea i know so with the path i can get there with my turbo or will it make more sence to get a 16g

14b can make 300 hp, but you need a good motor, nothing that is in need of being rebuilt. to get 300-350+ out of the 14b you need cams, intake mani, a good condition motor, supporting mods. etc.

i think 16g would be best, yea. in case you feel 300 isn't enough in the future

Yep said best...

If you want a little more The 16g is proven good to 400-450 with supporting mods. 500+ if you know mist injection, nos, etc on a built motor.

 

[scorpio87m1]

wow so buit before turbo

 

[silver bullit]

wow so buit before turbo

Dude spelling and grammer, every post is not complete or does not make any sense.

 

[boosted86]

, you know its really funny, somthing i just noticed, alot of people that just get into dsm's always seem to want 300whp. its like the golden number or somthing. 300whp is not as feesable as alot of people think. a 16g will deffintly get you there, but with a good amount of supporting mods, and a nice tune. as stated before, work on getting your mods up to par, and make sure you have a healthy engine to work with. pertty much any aftermarket turbo will flow enough air to hit 300 wheel, its really all in the mods.

my advice to the OP, do your research and dont just go buy a larger turbo and slap it on...you will blow your engine( higher than stock boost) Iv,e seen maybe 3 people in the last 2 months that have done just that, and a blown engine is what they have to show for it.
theres alot of information on this forum, so use it. and good luck.

, and yea i would go with a 16g(any of the three sizes) to get you at your goal. its a fun streetable turbo.
Alfredo

 

[stealth_eclipse]

hey guys!!! im new to the forum. i have a 93 Mitsu 3000gt SL/Dodge stealth (6g72) and only have ever owned mitsu's. i know a fair amount on my mitsu engines and and performance thru my 3000gt/Dodge Stealth forum im on.

anyway to get to the point i recently bought a 95 gsx with a fully built engine(stock 4g63t) that i have to install. im looking to find out what is a good street turbo that i can boost without too much lag and get a good hp gain. some one point me in the right direction please. thanks

 

[blownturbotsi]

Price range would help, otherwise everyone's going to throw out GT30's and what not.

 

[RadDsm]

What other supporting mods do you have in your "built" motor?

 

[stealth_eclipse]

sorry i meant rebuilt engine not fully built. and no mods as of now. i have to put the engine in but while i was doing that was was going to swap the stock turbo's out. it will have a FM intercooler and stage 2 clutch and im sure an intake when it is running. im sure ill have to upgrade the fuel system if i get bigger turbos to get the turbo to produce better performance wise. so as to how much ill spend on a turbo it dont matter to me but i would rather keep it a decent average price. well.... let put the most at a grand. but if i can get almost the same production outta a cheaper one thats fine. i would not like to pay that much but if thats that ill do it. so let me know what is better cheaper. then go up.

ohh also a turbo that will be able to carry over to a engine with a stroker kit. im working on that engine at the moment for later after i learn more about the 4g63's. but also keep that in mind.

 

[Flash]

I have to suggest a 16g. They are a great beginners turbo. They can make great usable power, and they teach you the basics. I learned so much from changing my T25 to a 16g. Not an overly involved project, but you will learn the essentials.

 

[kahl23]

You're being kinda vague here. What are your power goals? What is "too much lag"? What is your price range?

I swear we need a "What turbo?" thread template, something along the lines of:

Power Goals:
1/4 ET:
RPM at full boost:
Price:
Bolt on:
Internal/External WG:

 

[No_Skillz]

Supporting mods first. Turbo last. Instead of asking what turbo you should go with, you should instead have a horsepower goal in mind and see what kind of supporting mods you need and how much they cost. The prices can go up dramatically if your goals are high. Turbo is a simple choice and will become obvious as you put together the rest of your car.

 

[RadDsm]

Found this on another forum.

Mitsubishi:
14b = 30 lb/min
16g = 34lb/min
Big 16g = 36lb/min
18g = 40lb/min
EVO III Big 16g = 42lb/min
20g = 44lb/min

Forced Performance:
Big28 = 37lb/min
FP2544 = 44lb/min (56trim/ dual BB)
Sleeper 16g = 44lb/min
Green = 49lb/min (50 trim)
FP49 = 49lb/min (50 trim, T31 turbine)
Red = 60lb/min (60-1 trim, dyno 520whp)
FP3052 = 52lb/min (dyno 504whp)
FP3065 = 65lb/min (dyno 585whp)
FP58 = 65lb/min (GT40 56 trim comp. wheel, .49A/R PTE, T350 turbine)

AGP:
T28 = 36lb/min (TB03 compressor)
RS43 = 43lb/min (46 trim T04E)
SS44 = 44lb/min (It is a 44lb/min but not a 48trim. It is not a GT30 at all. It's special, topsecret, Kevin)
RS49 = 49lb/min (50 trim T04E)
RS60 = 60lb/min (60-1 trim) (claimed 534whp)
RS65 = 65lb/min (56 trim GT40)

DSM Performance/Extreme Turbo:
ETA12 = 36lb/min (S-trim, ETA comp housing)
ETA32 = 48lb/min (50 trim, ETA comp housing)
ETE32 = 48lb/min (50 trim, T04E comp housing)
ETE42 = 50lb/min (60 trim, TO4E)
ETE52 = 55lb/min (60-1 trim, TO4E)
ETE53 = 55lb/min (60-1 trim, T04E)
ETE73 = 72lb/min (T66 comp wheel, T04E)

Buschur Racing:
BR-BIG28 = (claimed 350hp)
BR20G = (TD05/6 hybrid)
BR475 = (No info as of yet)
BR57 = (Garrett T3/T4)
BR500 = (claimed 504whp)
BR580 = (claimed 575whp)
BR675 = (No info as of yet)

Slowboy Racing:
SBR-M50 = 48lb/min (50 trim)
SBR-M60 = 60lb/min (60-1 trim)
SBR-GT10 = 44lb/min (48 trim, dual BB)
SBR-GT11 = (No info as of yet)
SBR-GT12 = 55lb/min (56 trim, dual BB)
SBR-GT13 = 60lb/min (60 trim, dual BB)
SBR-GT14 = 65lb/min (56 trim, dual BB)
SBR-GT35R = (No info as of yet)
SBR-GT30R = (No info as of yet)
SBR-G50 = 48lb/min (50 trim, T04E)
SBR-G57 = 55lb/min (56 trim, T04E)
SBR-60-1 = 60lb/min (60-1 trim, T04E)

Frankenstein Turbos:
Frank 1 = 46 trim, 20*clipped TD05H turbine, TD05H 7cm2 housing
Frank 2 = 46 trim, unclipped TD06 turbine, TD05H 7cm2 housing
Frank 50 = 50 trim, unclipped TD06 turbine, TD05H 7cm2 housing
Frank 3 = 54 trim, unclipped TD06 turbine, TD05H 7cm2 housing
Frank 57 = 57 trim, unclipped TD06 turbine, TD05H 7cm2 housing
Frank 4 = 60 trim, 10*clipped TD06 turbine, TD05H 7cm2 housing
Frank 5 = 60 trim, unclipped TD06H turbine, TD05H 7cm2 housing
Frank 6 = 60 trim, unclipped TD06H turbine, TD05H 8cm2 housing
Frank 7 = 60 trim, 10*clipped TD06H turbine, TD05H 8cm2 housing

The following is from the Garrett Catalog:
"R" = Ball bearing; "S" = Special

GT12 = 10lb/min (50trim, .43a/r turbine)
GT15 = 15lb/min (60trim, .35a/r turbine)
GT20 = 20lb/min (55trim, .46a/r turbine)
GT22 = 18=22lb/min (52trim, .56a/r or 60trim, .67a/r turbine)
GT25R = 22lb/min (60trim, .64a/r turbine)
GT28R =24lb/min (60trim, .64a/r turbine)
GT28RS =28lb/min (62trim, .86a/r or .64a/r turbine)
GT30R =55lb/min (56trim, 1.06a/r or .82a/r turbine)
GT32 =35lb/min (52trim, .78a/r or .69a/r turbine)
GT35 = 35lb/min (52trim, 1.18a/r turbine)
GT35R =45lb/min (56trim, 1.06a/r or .82a/r turbine)
GT37 = 36lb/min (52trim, 1.12a/r turbine)
GT40 = 65lb/min (50 or 54trim, .94a/r or 1.34a/r turbine)
GT42 = 75lb/min
GT42-1 = 85lb/min
GT42-2 = 96lb/min
GT60 = 125lb/min (56trim, 1.47a/r turbine)

The following is from Turbonetics Catalog:

On TO4E Compressor housings:
50-trim = 47lbs/min
54-trim = 45lbs/min
57-trim = 49lbs/min
60-trim = 50lbs/min
T-100 = 180lbs/min

TO4B compressor housing:
60-1 = 65lbs/min
62-1 = 70lbs/min
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Turbine Conversion:

Mitsu = Garrett
6cm2 = .41 a/r
7cm2 = .49 a/r
8cm2 = .57 a/r
9cm2 = .65 a/r
10cm2 = .73 a/r
11cm2 = .81 a/r
12cm2 = .89 a/r

((CM x 8) - 7) / 100 = a/r ratio

 

[stealth_eclipse]

my goal would be to get to the 12's. do you think thats too much to ask this soon? also thanks for the turbo stats.

im not doing too much with my rebuilt engine just turbo upgrade and a few minor things. im building up a different engine at the moment. i just want a good turbo upgrade. so i can be quicker then normal but still be close to stock engine wise till i swap my built engine in.

ok to be clear i want a good turbo upgrade for this engine and when i get the stroker engine built what would a better turbo be for it.

i hope thats a little bit clear then earlier. right now not looking for much just a turbo upgrade. but when i get the stroker finished what turbo will also help me hit 12's.

 

[dsm-onster]

Any 16g will do nicely for your goal. The small 16g is plenty for 12s and spools quite a bit faster than the big 16g and evo3 16g. A 14b can even deliver your goal. And will spool VERY fast. A used 14b (stock 1g M/T turbo) is so cheap. And is so much better than your stock t25.

Found this on another forum.

Mitsubishi:
14b = 30 lb/min
16g = 34lb/min
Big 16g = 36lb/min
18g = 40lb/min
EVO III Big 16g = 42lb/min
20g = 44lb/min

All those numbers are about 4 lbs/min conservative. The 14b map shows around 35 lbs/min peak. Several have put down over 300whp with this little monster. And MANY have run 12sec with it. I've logged 36lbs/min with my small 16g and it wasn't completely strung out. The map shows +38lbs/min. The big 16g has delivered 40 lbs/min, and the evo3 16g has pushed +42 lbs/min. The 18g shows over 45lbs/min on the compressor map. And the 20g shows over 48 lbs/min on the map.

 

[stealth_eclipse]

thanks guys for the help greatly appreciated!!

 

[stealth_eclipse]

one more thing. which one of the 16g's were you talking about the small or big one?

 

[dsm-onster]

Me? A small 16g is plenty for your goal and will spool very fast. In fact it will give you room to grow as it has been able to put stock weight AWD cars down to 12.1ish territory. 350awhp is achievable for sure.

 

[stealth_eclipse]

Me? A small 16g is plenty for your goal and will spool very fast. In fact it will give you room to grow as it has been able to put stock weight AWD cars down to 12.1ish territory. 350awhp is achievable for sure.

WTF Are you achieving this on a stock engine or close to stock engine?!? or is that with a stroker engine and such?

 

[95redturboawd]

WTF Are you achieving this on a stock engine or close to stock engine?!? or is that with a stroker engine and such?

Well it's with a 16g turbo so it wouldn't be stock, and most likely has the supporting mods too.