Which Turbo Should I Get [merged] What Turbo

[Ludachris]

Which turbo will be sufficient for consistent 11 second times? I've recently decided on a big 16g, but will that be big enough to run 11s with supporting mods and decent tuning? Remember, this is for a budget street car, so any one purchase over $1k is tough. A big 16g will run about $700-900, which is about $300-400 less than the larger alternatives.

Of course, I'll need lots of practice to run these times, but, I just want to make sure that it's possible before the money is spent.

 

[Team Ducktape]

Have you thought of just a t3/t4? I really liked the one I had. Not to try to get you off a big turbo. But remember a tso4 is a big difference between your small 16; not only for power but for lag time. Yes the lag may not be that great but very diffrent from your 16. What are you useing the car for? If it stays on the street most of the time and the strip sometimes I would go with a t3/t4. With a t3/t4 you have the spoolup like a big 16 and the power of a 20g. Here is a pic of one of my old setups with a t3/t4. I really liked it.

 

[IPT]

Where did you get your exhaust manifold??

 

[Team Ducktape]

The one in the picture is from Buschur Racing, it came off their Orange car. But they sell them for like $475 I think. I also think RRE has the same one also.

 

[IPT]

Ohhh. It just looked so shiny I didn't think that was what it was. Thanks.

 

[sunflashx]

Originally posted by IPT
Then is a guy named John Adamson. He ran a 12.21@113 with a full weight 2G stock motor, stock injectors and stock SMIC. He then backed it up with a 12.22. Ohh yeah this was a 4600 ft above sea level. Not too bad.

That track issues hand written timeslips with 1/4 mile time only. No MPH, no 60', no RT, no nothing. It has been known to vary quite a bit from the reputable track around here. Someone that was running 12.5's at that track all day couldn't break out of the thirteens at the local track with a CompuLink that issues real slips.

However, his car is damn fast for only having a Big Dawg turbo, DSMLink, intake, 3" exhuast, walbro pump and a MBC.

 

[laserjay]

Have you thought of just a t3/t4? I really liked the one I had. Not to try to get you off a big turbo. But remember a tso4 is a big difference between your small 16; not only for power but for lag time. Yes the lag may not be that great but very diffrent from your 16. What are you useing the car for? If it stays on the street most of the time and the strip sometimes I would go with a t3/t4. With a t3/t4 you have the spoolup like a big 16 and the power of a 20g. Here is a pic of one of my old setups with a t3/t4. I really liked it.

The car is not a daily driver. To make a really long story shorter...I bought the car originally with the intentions of driving it daily back when I had a 12 second 88' Mustang. Shortly after I wrecked the Mustang and was turned on to the sport compact world. Fell in love with CRX's so I bought one. I was going to build my 90' CRX for show/race. With the help of a friend of a friend who owned a small local sport compact performace shop called Slick Motorsports, I got quotes on the cost to build the Honda. Wayyy out of my budget. He then pointed out that it might be less expensive to make my Laser go just as fast. I then thought about it and the idea of AWD made me salivate cause of all of the traction problems I had with the Mustang. So I had him (a very knowledgable HONDA! guy) pick out my parts. Bad idea. I should have done my own research and became more knowledgable about DSM's before I bagan this. Any how, this guy had me set with an NOS in line fuel pump. An MSD DIS-4 ignition (not for 4 cyl. cars), and an FMIC for a 2G not a 1G, no type of fuel control, no boost gauge, no boost control, and a few parts that I decided to keep. One of which was my small 16G. The only reason I kept it is because I spent weeks polishing the outside of the caseing to a mirror finish and he wouldn't take it back because of that! Theoretically I made it worth about $100.00 more. In the end my car ended up at Buschur Racing and Dan Buschur hooked me up with some big supporting mods. I'm not unhappy with the little 16G. I'm expecting to make low 12's on a good day. But I would someday like to break into 11's. You are right though I probably don't need a T04S to do it. I don't know much about the T3/T4. I do have my heart set on XS-Engineering so far thought because they build their turbo's around your supporting mods, and they make it a direct bolt on with an HKS external wastegate, an O2 eliminator, Metallic-Grey powder coated 3.00” intake pipe, tubular O2 housing, oil & water lines, stainless steel heat shield, and all necessary hardware and fasteners, and it'll work with my Archer exhaust header. The only thing I beleive I would have to change is my down pipe (to fit their O2 eliminator) and maybe get some bigger injectors. But this is the input I'm looking for. I should be able to do it with their T04E. Oh, and by the way BatmanGSX, I have a football...I made it run 10's.

 

[BatmanGSX]

I think everyone with a stock turbo or 16G should MAX OUT a 16G before going any bigger. If my car wasn't already too far gone I would put a 16G max it out and call it a day. I almost want to buy an umolested, unmodded DSM just so I can have a nice 16G car.

My friend has a nice 16G car. I love it, it's a great street/strip car. Feels like it pulls forever, no weird ass tuning issues or crazy crap going on. Just straight forward stuff. It's fun. My car is a huge pain in the ass, not fun.

Someday I will have a similar DSM that doesn't keep my up all night worrying if I am going to be able to tune it or if I have the right injectors, FMIC, AFPR etc.

 

[laserjay]

I hear ya BatmanGSX. My new daily driver is like that. Its not a DSM, but its a fun car with very light mods and some fun cosmetic stuff. It keeps me sain. But I'll always have a passion for that "street/strip only comes out on sunny days" car. Yah its a pain in the a$$ to have a heavily modded car, I haven't gotten a chance to race the car yet because I keep running into trouble with it (leaky capacitors in the ECU, Buschur's fuel pumps on back order, etc). But I take the good with the bad because there are those hair raising days when you think to yourself "I wouldn't trade this feeling for anything" that'll always keep me going. Like I said I don't dislike the 16G, it'll more then likely never run 11's though. At least not with me driving the car.

 

[j-specdimonstar]

Hey DSMers I have a problem I have my mind and money on a Super 20g From HAHN RACECRAFT, but some of my friends tell me it's to much of a hassle How many installations do I need with the additional SUper 20g upgrade kit. What should I do Should I just go for it and buy the HRC Super 20g upgrade kit!

 

[larryd]

your stock right?? a 20g turbo should be the last thing your looking at..

http://www.dsmtuners.com/tuning-guide/

 

[IPT]

Originally posted by larryd
your stock right?? a 20g turbo should be the last thing your looking at..

http://www.dsmtuners.com/tuning-guide/

I AGREE. Take the money and start with an Exhaust.

 

[jdmawd]

i agree you will need many supporting mods to get the most from a 20g size turbo. 3" exhaust (complete) 255lph fuel pump, 550 injectors, fmic, fuel management computer..ect..ect..ect

 

[Ludachris]

Your money can be better spent on other mods which will give you better results. The car won't respond well to a larger turbo without the proper supporting mods done first. Please check here to find out the right paths to modding your DSM:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/tuning-guide/2gturbo/

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

I was just going to suggest looking at the tuning guide

Later,

 

[Rice Killer]

Can somebody send me a picture of a TD06 20g with an internal gate mounted. I dont know if its me but I cant seem to get mine mounted the way its setup. I can only get one bolt to line up.

 

[NosLaser]

...I think everyone with a stock turbo or 16G should MAX OUT a 16G before going any bigger....

AMEN!!!!!

 

[Team Ducktape]

Similer to this.

Originally posted by Rice Killer
Can somebody send me a picture of a TD06 20g with an internal gate mounted. I dont know if its me but I cant seem to get mine mounted the way its setup. I can only get one bolt to line up.

 

[BatmanGSX]

Originally posted by Rice Killer
Can somebody send me a picture of a TD06 20g with an internal gate mounted.

Guys, let's keep the lingo straight. When you say "TD06 20G" you are talking about a 20G with a TD06 turbine wheel, which you would not be able to tell from a picture. Technically all 20Gs have the TD06 compressor cover. Therefore there is no need to throw that in. Now if you were talking about a 20G with a TD05 compressor cover you would say "A 20G with a TD05 compressor cover".

The reason I am so picky about this is it gets confusing as fu@k and some people may get confused. Here are the components of a typical DSM application "true" (as defined by the old schoolers) 20G:

TD06 compressor cover
20G compressor wheel
TD05 bearing housing
TD05H turbine wheel
7cm turbine housing

Right there you can probably see where sh1t may get confusing for some people.

And just for fun, comparison, and because I like the way letters look, here is a 16G:

TD05 compressor cover
16G compressor wheel
TD05 bearing housing
TD05H turbine wheel
7cm turbine housing

Neat, isn't it?

 

[xleRateGSX]

I have seen a couple of people post about T3/T4. T3/To4e is a nice turbo and there are many different trims. manifolds used to be the problem but there are so many to choose from. I know I will be going with a T3/T4 and equal length manifold in the near future. Some food for though the T3/T4 runs anywhere from 500-1000 and most of the time you can get complete setups for under 1500.

 

[jw]

You are forgetting external wastegate that runs from $300-$500. Also, what about O2 eliminator and DP?

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by jw
You are forgetting external wastegate that runs from $300-$500. Also, what about O2 eliminator and DP?

you dont need no stinking external gate use that 300-500 and buy some cams. get you an ETE32 with internal gate and buy some supporting mods for that 50 trim beast. have you seen the port work on that turbo. it will make you want to slap your moma *SHUT YO MOUTH*

1,384 and you're done. you even get a nice 3" cast intake pipe


ETE32 will make you---------->

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[BatmanGSX]

jdm is right (very disturbing). You CAN run an internal on almost anything. Green, Mutt, AGP... You can get them all with internals. The cool part is that it is so easy to add an external later on if you want.

But an internal on a big turbo is not for everyone. You can forget ever running 10psi or low boost like that.

 

[IPT]

There have been a good handful of people to run 9-10 psi on the mutts.

 

[BatmanGSX]

Originally posted by IPT
There have been a good handful of people to run 9-10 psi on the mutts.

Is that why most of them have yet to do the 1/4th mile in less than 13 seconds?

 

[GoFastTSI]

Is that why most of them have yet to do the 1/4th mile in less than 13 seconds?

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