Which Turbo Should I Get [merged] What Turbo

[Ludachris]

Which turbo will be sufficient for consistent 11 second times? I've recently decided on a big 16g, but will that be big enough to run 11s with supporting mods and decent tuning? Remember, this is for a budget street car, so any one purchase over $1k is tough. A big 16g will run about $700-900, which is about $300-400 less than the larger alternatives.

Of course, I'll need lots of practice to run these times, but, I just want to make sure that it's possible before the money is spent.

 

[Sartuche24]

I'm lucky we don't have emission's testing here in KY so I don't have to worry about it. I'm looking into getting the FP BigT28 or a mutt turbo. I don't want crazy hp but enough to show those corvettes not to mess with a DSM because they don't know a 4 cylinder that cost a few grand less than there cars can beat them. My friend wants to race me in his girl's trans am. I'm stock but I think I can get him on the jump but he will smoke my ass later down the road. My friend just paid $4,000 for a turbo kit for his car which is a 97 Nissan Altima and he want's to race me. The turbo is a T3/T4 hybrid, I believe I'll get him in the begining but he'll smoke me after that. After a few more mods I'll have him right now it can't run more than 5psi on his turbo because he doesn't have the computer for it. Well back on the subject, I think if you want a good turbo for a good price the FP BigT28 is the way to go. You have to have all the supporting mods to acompany it to get it's full potential but in the long run it's a good price and holds some good boost all the way to redline. Ask Larryd, he has the FP BigT28 and could fill you in better on how it is. I think it's a very good turbo because it spool's fast and can hold boost very well which is IMO the best of both world's. This is just my .02

 

[IPT]

Then is a guy named John Adamson. He ran a 12.21@113 with a full weight 2G stock motor, stock injectors and stock SMIC. He then backed it up with a 12.22. Ohh yeah this was a 4600 ft above sea level. Not too bad.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by IPT
Then is a guy named John Adamson. He ran a 12.21@113 with a full weight 2G stock motor, stock injectors and stock SMIC. He then backed it up with a 12.22. Ohh yeah this was a 4600 ft above sea level. Not too bad.

what turbo did he use and how much boost?

 

[niterydr]

i thought squabbling wasn't allowed on this thread?
here are my 2 turbo experiences:
1) my car ('93 talon tsi awd)
mods: pvc intake, k&n filter, ngk plugs and wires, test pipe...otherwise stock
conditions: motor had 120psi across the board, 95 degrees out, 85% hudmidity, balding tires, slipping clutch (went out 1 week later) and a homemade mbc set at 14psi..
results: [email protected] and a [email protected]...
1.89 and 1.91 60' times..
(now i have a jdm motor in my passanger seat (screw 7blt i want a 6blt), and it will have a few more goodies, hopefully enough for 12's on the 14b, but time will tell)

2) my friends galant ('91 galant vr4)
mods: custom intake, mutt 1 (whatever they call them now, its an early design) afc, 720's, walbro 225hp, custom 3" turbo back exhaust, custom ic piping (2.25" i believe), dsm performance fmic, '95 manifold, cromoly flywheel, act 2100 with 6 puck, mbc set at 16psi..kumo estat supra tires..
conditions: car ran like crap (didn't get the 2g mas in until 2 days ago, overrunning the 1g mas like mad even though it was 'al blaha'd', about 80 degrees out, he said it was 'muggy'.. He had to ride the clutch to the 330' mark because of all the traction, due to the 9 second muscle cars their that day at the track, (he was afraid of breaking an axle, instead he did that last night on the street, time to swap in a 4 bolt)
results: 13.4@100mph (roughly his slips aren't in front of me)
and a 13.6@100mph
now the car is tuned up great with the 2g mas (gotta love the $40 mod) running hard and strong on 20lbs on 93 octane...i have to convince him to dyno it.
imo turbo size matters, but you can only judge power by mph, et is all on the 60' and the driver.....
I like all turbo's, ( i have friends with hann 20g's, 18g's, 16g's, etc etc etc..)as long as they have supporting mods...lets get back to the topic on hand, shall we?

 

[Team Ducktape]

Hello all, I'm new to this list but here try this turbo on for size.. I just got done fitting most of the stuff, more pics will be coming when it's done. I think it's bigger thant stock? But a big 16 would be fine to get to the 11's, plus it will bolt on easily and it spools alot faster than any turbo I have had yet, accept the 14b ofcoarse.
Rob

 

[Blitz]

Originally posted by Team Ducktape
Hello all, I'm new to this list but here try this turbo on for size.. I just got done fitting most of the stuff, more pics will be coming when it's done. I think it's bigger thant stock? But a big 16 would be fine to get to the 11's, plus it will bolt on easily and it spools alot faster than any turbo I have had yet, accept the 14b ofcoarse.
Rob

Have you run 11s with a big 16G? What time have you run? What times do you think your going to run with that big ass turbo?

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by Blitz


Have you run 11s with a big 16G? What time have you run? What times do you think your going to run with that big ass turbo?

is that a big dawg mutt level 73!!

 

[Team Ducktape]

I personally have not run a big 16 for any slips or dyno numbers. Many of my friends have have them. I can get more info for you. Victor Brant went 11.40 with a Galant and a fp big 16. as for my turbo it was built by Precsion Turbo in Indiana, it is a t-70 with .81 a/r ratio. I haven't run it yet, but with the rest of the setup I won't be happy with just 11's but who knows we'll just have to see. I by no means am making predictions.....
Rob

 

[Blitz]

Originally posted by jdmawd


is that a big dawg mutt level 73!!

It looks more like a mutt level 101.

 

[IPT]

Originally posted by jdmawd


what turbo did he use and how much boost?

Sorry. It was a ETE32. I am not sure of the boost level.

 

[GRNDSM]

>Victor Brant went 11.40 with a Galant and a fp big 16.

What Victor did on a heavy GVR4 is truly amazing! But lets not embellish it (there is no need for it). He ran 11.47@ 119 on a "sleeper 16g". Which looks like a regular 16g but flows as good as a well tuned 20g. Great turbo if you want to look stock (1g), but I remember hearing that it is a bit pricey. I believe that record for both true 16g’s (big AND small) stand at 11.59. That is why I do not think that "big" feature in the 16g is worth all that much money.

>it is a t-70 with .81 a/r ratio. I haven't run it yet, but with the rest of >the setup I won't be happy with just 11's but who knows we'll just
>have to see. I by no means am making predictions.....

I will make one prediction. You better invest in a good NOS system to keep this turbo spooling between the sifts . I am having a big problem having my 60-1, stage 5 with .63 a/r building boost between the shifts. With your larger compressor housing and higher a/r ratio, you will surely have more problems than me...

But with NOS, good tuning and driving, there is no reason why this set-up will not take you into low 10's.

 

[JET]

How are you going to run piping with that big turbo? The outlet for the intake side is pointed towards the TB! I also don't see how you are going to fit a radiator and fans in there. I take it that it is just a joke?

 

[Team Ducktape]

I had it pointed for that to see what kindof room I had, put yes it does "point" in that direction, straight up actually. The radiator was custrom made for my car it sits infront of the turbo, yes damn tight!!!. And for the spooling issue my SDS has antilag on it. So when I 'm at the track or out with buddies I will use that settting to keep the turbo spooled, also I don't let off the gas when I shift so that helps (gotto love a 3800lb clutch). But GN's have been running t88's and bigger and lag is there but really not a problem. Granted they are v-6's but they only use three cylinders to "run" the turbo, and I know I can/will make enough hp out of my 4cylinder as they can make with three of theirs. Here is a pic of it still in progress back when:

 

[Team Ducktape]

Oh here is a pic of the radiator that was built for me

 

[Slowboy]

12.0 @ 115 on a small 16g

11.49 @ 121.7 on a t3/t4 with 60 trim and stage 3 exhaust

Both on a STOCK motor, not even cams, and a 1g mas air meter.

New 64414 cams net 124 mph but no better ET.... and the new motor this year is just coming up to speed, but has went 11.8 @ 122.5 on pump gas. Same t3/t4 turbo.

I have numerous other cars that I have built, installed turbos, etc... Try to get the most out of your set up before throwing more parts at it!!

 

[sleeper142]

i have a clipped big 16g and im *hoping* to run a high 11 this summer, but i do have a stage 3 head, valve work, and built block, and dsm link well see what happens as i put the ****er together

 

[FFgeoff]

"11.49 @ 121.7 on a t3/t4 with 60 trim and stage 3 exhaust "

hell yeah, t3/t4 works really reallllllllllly well on a street car. A t3 stage 3 wheel combined with a 60-1 compressor side is the best combination for our cars from my expereince. i have setup a number of hondas that go low 11s (11.2, 11.3 etc) with 1.8 60 foots, all around 12 psi of boost. That turbo will blow until 25 psi (starts to warm up) and shoudl support ~530 WHP without breaking a sweat. The prices on those turbos are killer and with the new revised garrett 4 bolt exhaust housings, there is no reason to stick with mitsubishi turbos anymore. Once DSM people see the advantage of runnign the much mroe aerodynamically advanced and efficient garret turbos, times will start to drop and people wont spend anymore money than they would on 16gs/20gs etc.

 

[HighPsi91]

Originally posted by Team Ducktape
as for my turbo it was built by Precsion Turbo in Indiana, it is a t-70 with .81 a/r ratio,Rob

A T-70, is that it? What are you holding back for?

 

[Slowboy]

I was going to move to a 60-1 compressor wheel next, but I believe I will go straight to the GT35R

I am only running a plain 60 trim right now, and swapped in a stage 5 turbine wheel. Kinda laggy

FFgeoff--- your product looks very nice......

 

[Team Ducktape]

Yea I know I'm a puss....

 

[laserjay]

Whats the best time anyone has seen a 2G run on a "16G Killer" I either don't know the abreviation for it or I don't see it on dsmtimes.org but I've heard and read (old a$$ isue of Sport Compact Car) so many great things about it because a. ball bearing b. crazy fast spool up

Or for that matter what about any of the other Garret based turbos they sell. They really cater to you when sellecting a turbo by customizing it specifically by your supporting mods. I was really considering there T04S in there kit for my 1G. For the price there kit comes with a lot, including an HKS external wastgate. Check it out. Please let me in on your thoughts before I make a decision here.

http://www.xs-engineering.com/turbocharger_kit_tga.html

http://www.xs-engineering.com/turbocharger.html

http://www.xs-engineering.com/turbocharger_kit_16g.html

 

[HighPsi91]

Ever hear of the saying "walk before you run"?

 

[Team Ducktape]

Ever here the phrase "World's Fastest Galant"? hewheeh. But really I've had the 20g's and the t3/t4's now I want to really see how fast a Galant can be. I have the time so why not?

 

[BatmanGSX]

Originally posted by Team Ducktape
Ever here the phrase "World's Fastest Galant"? hewheeh. But really I've had the 20g's and the t3/t4's now I want to really see how fast a Galant can be. I have the time so why not?

I think he was talking to laserjay with his talk of getting a T04S...

laserjay, you don't need a T04S, you'll shoot your eye out. How about a nice football?

 

[laserjay]

Maybe so. But I'd be a happy one eyed guy with a fast laser. And I have a lot of good supporting mods. Maybe a couple I would change. But read what xs-engineering has to say about their T04S. Its not really a monster.