Timing belt help ***Pictures***

[packinkimber45]

Hello everyone, I just pulled my motor yesterday. I will have to redo my timing after all the work I plan to do on the car. I have read up on all the timing belt change tutorials and tips previously. I also had to redo my timing last year due to an out of phase oil pump from the previous owner. What do you guys think about the pictures enclosed? Was my timing dead on? I know that all the timing marks have to line up in a straight line along with the top of the head. Looking at my timing marks it looks to me as if the white marks are exactly lined up to the head. However the 9 o'clock mark on exhaust side and 3 o'clock mark on intake side is above the head line. To me it looks as if I am one tooth off on both cams. What does everyone think? Please look at all the pics enclosed and let me know what you guys think. Thanks in advance.

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[cruisintalonawd]

I'd say sping the crank a couple times and then see where its at

 

[interex]

It looks like you're in time to me.

 

[RoasT BeeF]

Both cams are off. Re-do!

 

[talon_frost]

yeah id say your in time too i jsut did mine like a week ago so as long as the belt is tight then your fine

how tight should the belt be because sometimes when I turn my car off the belt is tight like it should be but then sometimes its loose a bit, is it just because of where the engine stops?

 

[blcknspo0ln]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...l-installing-timing-timing-belt-6bolt-2g.html

Count the teeth and make sure your pump is in phase. Judging by your photo I think your autotensioner is too extended. The hole in the rod needs to be in line with the hole on the tensioner body.

 

[mnetwork]

You need to adjust the tensioner pully so it is putting tension on the belt. The way it is right now it isn't doing anything and the auto tensioner is extended all the way because of this. Timing looks on to me.

 

[packinkimber45]

Thanks for all the replies. I'm lost, half is saying I am in time and half is saying I am not...

 

[packinkimber45]

Both cams are off. Re-do!

It does look to me as if both cams are off, the car was driven around like it is for about 300 miles. Other than hindered performance, could this have done any ill effects to my motor?

 

[packinkimber45]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...l-installing-timing-timing-belt-6bolt-2g.html

Count the teeth and make sure your pump is in phase. Judging by your photo I think your autotensioner is too extended. The hole in the rod needs to be in line with the hole on the tensioner body.

Tom I counted like your pictorial and I am counting 39 also. When you say the hole on the auto tensioner need to be inline with the hole on the tensioner body, is that before there is tension on the belt. Or is that once there is tension on the belt and basically finished.

You need to adjust the tensioner pully so it is putting tension on the belt. The way it is right now it isn't doing anything and the auto tensioner is extended all the way because of this. Timing looks on to me.

Right now as it sits it is not applying enough tension on the belt?

 

[interex]

The cams are at TDC if the marks on the pulleys line up. Now make sure Piston 1 (closest to the belts) is at TDC.

 

[RoasT BeeF]

I can tell you with 100% certainty that your engine is not in time. Just because it ran does not mean its in time. Please do not listen to any of these newbies telling you it is in time because they are all dead wrong. Saying that your engine is in time just because the belt is tight is absolutely preposterous! Fix it for your engines sake, please!

As far as the hydrualic tensioner - it basically should not move when you pull the pin. You manually tension the belt with the tensioner pulley until it is tight enough that when you pull the pin on the hydrualic tensioner it doesnt move and you are able to stick the pin right back in.

 

[interex]

Please do not "flame" It is uncalled for and against the forum rules.

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[RoasT BeeF]

Please do not "flame" It is uncalled for and against the forum rules.

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Please do not spread mis-info as it is against the rules.

THX

 

[Flash]

Thanks for all the replies. I'm lost, half is saying I am in time and half is saying I am not...

I does look off. I can't believe people think that it's not off!

 

[interex]

Please do not spread mis-info as it is against the rules.

THX

I never spread any mis-information. I've not posted anything that was untrue, or false. Also my last post to the OP was explaining how to make sure it was in time.

 

[interex]

I does look off. I can't believe people think that it's not off!

Oh, would you like to point out where it looks off? Because looking at the cam gears it looks in to me and obviously several other people. If the cams are not in time with the crank that is another issue. The timing marks in the picture on the CAM GEARS are lined up. So I would like for you personally to tell us where it looks off, and how it looks off so that the issue could be resolved. Just saying "yea it looks off" doesnt solve anything which is what the OP is looking for. Thanks.

 

[Flash]

Oh, would you like to point out where it looks off? Because looking at the cam gears it looks in to me and obviously several other people. If the cams are not in time with the crank that is another issue. The timing marks in the picture on the CAM GEARS are lined up. So I would like for you personally to tell us where it looks off, and how it looks off so that the issue could be resolved. Just saying "yea it looks off" doesnt solve anything which is what the OP is looking for. Thanks.

They certainly don't look perfectly aligned to the top of the head like this picture.

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EDIT, but it MAY be the way the picture is taken in the original post. But it does look off in nearly all the pictures.

 

[RoasT BeeF]

I never spread any mis-information. I've not posted anything that was untrue, or false. Also my last post to the OP was explaining how to make sure it was in time.

Im really not going to sit here and argue with you. The marks on the cam gears are off. You are posting what you "think." I am posting what I "know" through my own experience. Instead of you asking others to prove how the engine is not in time how about you prove to everyone that it is. You wont find it with pics provided by the OP.

 

[DSM1G90]

The gap between the top of the autotensioner shell and under the tensioner pulley arm is WAY too big.

Tensioner pulley needs to be a bit more tighter to get the drillbit size - 5/32" to 11/64th" inbetween that gap. This is why the two cams are one/half tooth out of time.

 

[packinkimber45]

I can tell you with 100% certainty that your engine is not in time. Just because it ran does not mean its in time. Please do not listen to any of these newbies telling you it is in time because they are all dead wrong. Saying that your engine is in time just because the belt is tight is absolutely preposterous! Fix it for your engines sake, please!

As far as the hydrualic tensioner - it basically should not move when you pull the pin. You manually tension the belt with the tensioner pulley until it is tight enough that when you pull the pin on the hydrualic tensioner it doesnt move and you are able to stick the pin right back in.

Thanks. I think you misread my post. The timing on the car was redone last year due to an out of phase oil pump. The pictures that I posted is what the timing looked like with the motor just freshly taken out of the car. I am not driving the car like that. However last year the car was driven like that very briefly, then I looked at the timing mark and it looked off. That is when I decided to take motor out, balance shaft eliminator kit, new oil pump, water pump, timing components, front/rear main seals. That is why motor was taken out the other night. So those pictures are before I took off the timing belt from last year. Thanks again for all the help. I will post again once I do all the procedures and I am timing the car.

 

[steve]

The cams are at TDC if the marks on the pulleys line up.

Not quite, they have to line up and be even with the mating surface between the head and the rocket cover.

As far as I can tell from here the cam gears are mistimed, the auto tensioner is over extended. The tensioner pulley need to be rotated farther into the belt to preload the auto tensioner more.

It's always hard to tell due to parallax if the cam timing marks are exactly even with the top of the head unless the picture is taken in the same plane rather than at an angle.

 

[interex]

Oh, Gotcha. And another DSMer from St Charles. I'm about 30 mins from Belleville

 

[silver bullit]

From the first couple of pics everything is right, just turn it clock wise over six times and re-check.

 

[packinkimber45]

Alright everyone, I just finished getting off of the motor tonight. Took off timing belt components/water pump/front case oil pump/oil pan/front and rear balance shafts. I just need to do some gasket cleaning and parts cleaning and my new parts will be going in in the next week or two. Ordered my street tuned motorsports oil cooler kit tonight also. Just waiting for little stuff to come in the mail and I will be putting the motor back together. As soon as all parts are installed and I have my timing belt installed I will update and post pictures to make sure timing is properly done. Thanks for all the helpful responses. Wish me luck, it's my first time doing all of this.