The Feared 1.8L

[Boot92]

MOD EDIT: thread cliffnotes: Dude claims to have built up car and took it to the dyno. In reality, the car never got built and never went to the dyno. OP photoshoped a dyno chart and made up the entire story to go along with it. This is a hoax. When called out, OP stayed silent. If you decide to read past this point, just know that this is a fraudulent build/story and that you're wasting your time.




I don't know how many of you remember and I don't know how many of you care, but I was rebuilding a 4G63 to put into my 1G DSM, I ended up finding out that my 1.8L Block had been bored out and decided to resurrect it and get rid of the 4G63 for rebuild money.

My 4G37 Has the Over Sized Works. It been bored 0.020 Over, its not alot but its potential, found this out by when I opened up my bottom end pulled the pistons out and realized they were practically brand new. I later on called the previous owner about this he didn't know anything about it, and gave me the number of the dude he bought it from.

He told me he had some machining done to the car when he rebuilt the bottom end at 185k miles and increased the bore.

So now I'm in this huge rebuilding this motor from the bottom end up.

Here's everything on my List that isn't Factory Spec (BOLD is I'm still waiting on the part or I don't have it yet. other wise stock for now)

*Bore 0.020 W\ The Works (not alot but it helps)
*Reground 272\260 Cam
*2.0L 4G63 Shaved Cam Gear
*4G37 Ported TB w\ Coolant Bypass
*Custom Intake Manifold (*ITB's later on in the future maybe)
*Gutted MAF
*Open Air Can Mod w\ High Flow Air Filter
*Intake Hard Pipe
*High Flow Cat
*Custom Headers
*2 1\2 Inch Exhaust System (Cat Back) (Custom Made with Big Name muffler haven't picked one yet)
*Ported Head (Maybe **Cyclone 12 Valve Swap In the Future)
*7K Redline
*Premium Rings + Bearings
*NGK Premium Plugs
*NGK Plug Wires
*Oil Catch Can
*A\C and Burden Pulley Elimination
*Stage 2 4G63 N\A Clutch
*Custom Lightweight Flywheel
*Maybe a Stand Alone ECU for the ITB's
*Custom Head Gasket
*Balance Shaft Elimination
*EGR Valve Elimination


The Great things about 1.8L 4G37 Motors is the Bottom End is practically a Tank, they can withstand tons amounts of abuse unless it is under HIGH Compression or Forced Induction, Along with the fact that The Stock 4G37 (8 Valve SOHC) and\or Cyclone (12 Valve SOHC) Valve train is made of Same Material as a 4G63T and can with Stand a 7k Redline stock these 1.8L motors are still in there Power Band at the stock Redline which is 6K.

I'm About Half way done with it I'm just now putting the motor back together, I hope to have it at least running with in 1-3 Weeks from now.

 

[viperlp01]

Why would you run race gas on dyno day??? Do you even understand octane values and what they are actually used for?? Unless you can TUNE your car for more timing and a leaner mixture than why run it...

I actually laughed when i saw that carbs are easier to tune than a FI... I can make on the fly fuel mixture changes and timing changes with dsmlink.. Can you change jets on the fly?? You seem like every other kid who wants to make a monster ass build from a 420a to a 420aT.. but your starting off with a lesser platform.. I think most peoples mistakes in the car world is not picking the right car.. The car has to have potential.. I dont see a 1.8 having potential unless it was force fed..

 

[Boot92]

I really dont care if it has potential or not.

My car is my car, I do what I please to impress no one but myself.

Its not your car, so dont tell me what to do and what not to do

I actually never asked for anyones advice on this forum, I was just posting it for people who might be intrested, People who are like me who like to read thigns having to do with cars that you dont see or hear about everyday.


and I did title this "The Feared 1.8L" for a reason, if you cant get why, then you shouldnt even bother being on this post.

 

[cyclonekid77]

HAHA DUDE ## 1.8 DAILY IS MY OLD CAR

^^^What does this mean? Who cares? My 4g63 n/t was my old daily driver. Why interject with 'all caps' on? Contribute or just read.

I bought my 1.8L car off of him, thats why he quoted my post. I think he just got a little excited to see me talk about it on here or something....

 

[lacroixdp]

i think you should brush up on your Car Knowlege before you try to say some one is wrong

I can see you totally know what your doing.

Coming from the same person that claims that a carburetor has more potential than a fuel injected system? I hardly think you have room to call someone out on their lack of car knowledge.

 

[1990AWD]

Why the hell is everyone dissing Boot92? Its not your car or your money so why do you care what he does with it?! I think its very unique and interesting and would actually care to see how it turns out.

p.s. Boot92, good job. Keep the pics and updates coming.

 

[Boot92]

I'm pretty sure I never said it had more potential.


he thought if you said you had something like this 272\260 in your car, it was automatically. a dual cam. he doesnt even know what those numbers mean, that and obviously doesnt know how to drive looking at his picture.

like me and by buddy ben say and many other of my 1G Owners from around TN.

Typical 2G owner.

and thank you 1990AWD

I think every one is dissing me becuase they cant understand the concept of some one not wanting to be the same as everyone else, and wanting to do something different with there car.

 

[lacroixdp]

I'm pretty sure I never said it had more potential.

you can get just as much power if not more out of a Carburated motor, as you can out of a Fuel Injected motor.

 

[Boot92]

Ok I did say that, but i didn't say that had more potential, if i said they had more potential i would have said it as in. "If the 4G63 had a carb, you would be able to get 100hp more out of it then a FI.

I just same if not more. doesn't mean it does. just the possibility.

Sorry that I play with Carbs constantly at work, because my boss designs them so i prefer carbs over FI and think they are much easier to work with becuase thats just what im use too.

here's the thing.
1 or 2 people out of the 100+ Posts have asked a legit question.

other people just insist on bashing it

but i suddenly got an Idea, if you don't like the 1.8L, and you hate what im doing so much. why the hell are you on this thread? if theres a thread that I don't like, or i don't agree with, 99% of the time, i stay off of it.

I've Driven a 2.0L, and I've driven several cars faster then a 2.0L

But power isnt everything, I absolutely love my 1.8L, its my baby.

 

[93ETGOCART]

i agree everyone hates to much if you cant be helpful and arent giving props unless its constructive criticism you shouldnt post. I love your build and hope you get a reliable DD i also have huge plans for my 1.8l but i mostly want to show off my body skills. it may end up a little "ricey" but i kinda like the style i plan on lowering the stock body lines and makeing a custom side skirt. i also want custom tails well they will be from two stock tails.

 

[Dsmj89]

Hope everything goes well for your build.
The car that started my DSM obsession was, no lie, a 1.8 94 eclipse base model 5-speed.
I had plans of doing I/H/E and doing a 75 shot on it back when i was younger. Would have probably blown the damn thing.

Anywho, your car, do what will please YOU.

 

[604CruisinCroat]

Hate away 2G owners and everyone else..

All i know is, while your fixing your boost leaks, Bent Valves, replacing Timing Belts, and dealing with your crank walk.

I will be cruisin by comfortably in my reliable 1.8L eatin taco bell, drinken a red bull.

Yeah....that's really healthy.

You will be disappointed with the end results of that engine you are building unless you boost it. Just like all the SOHC N/A Honda guys out there....they eventually go boost because otherwise they're gutless engines, just like your 1.8L.

You will be wasting time and nerves with the platform. The tranny will not suffice either.

People will laugh at you for the amount of time and effort you will be wasting for a car that will be so boring.

 

[DSM1G90]

When you think of it, the little 4G37 is a pretty durable motor that will run forever - heard of one that has over 375K on it and still running great - no overhaul, maybe valve guides and seals - just been taken care of.

When I had my 1.8, I was impressed on how it would start on the tick of the switch, sit right at 750rpms on a very smooth idle, the F5M22 tranny was light enough for the motor to turn over making it an easy car to row through the gears (even with bad 2nd gear syncros where I shoved in MT-90 to help it some..) .. and to tag me 33mpg on the freeway.

But someone wanted to buy it for a decent price and I didn't need two DSM's ... so obviously, I let the 1.8L go and keep my "real" fun car..

There are forums out there dedicated to 1.8L users - Welcome to DSM1eights if anyone wants to take a peek at this ....


-DSM

 

[dallu22]

Come On guys the threads to help him out, not to hate on a 1.8.....

.....if your driving a 4G63 cause you think its affordable...well.....thats laughable....at best...you drive it cause you love it, same way hey maybe someone loves their 1.8
and to hate on the 1.8 and say its gonna blow is rediculous.....if i had stopped building my high compression N/T (12:1 Pistons and a Shaved head 13.1 all together) because people hated the idea....well i wouldnt have a N/T that can keep up with well.....most everything....and i use it as a daily driver and the only problems ive had are the typical 4G63 problems with electronics(replaced the TPS, MAF, and IAC all original equip on the car)


as for the 1.8 man you should call up JE if you have 500 to drop on it they will make you one sick reliable set of pistons just tell em what you want....and they send em all nice packaged with all the specs on them and paperwork

All I got to Say is PROPS! I wanna know how it goes, I hope it makes the Nay Sayers look like fools

 

[dsm-onster]

I'd look in to higher compression. You can gain significantly more thermal efficiency going from 9.5 to about 10.5CR and still be able to run 87octane (as I've seen with most platforms not the 4g37 in particular). Well maybe you'll need to lower your coolant tem with a thermostate upgrade. . .Are there options for a thermostate upgrade?

Thermal efficiency goes almost directly proportional to cylinder pressure in the usable CR range.

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Looking at 9.0:1 to 10:1, this is an increas from 58% efficiency to 60% efficiency. 60/58= about a 3.5% increase in power over stock CR. For a 175hp build thats about 6hp gain. Stock CR is 9:1 right?

If you're going from 9CR to 10.5CR, 62/58= about 7% increase in power. For a 175whp build this would add 12 horsepower. IOW if you can eek out 175hp without upping the CR (cams, header, exhaust, intake manifold, increased displacment, CAI, porting), then 10.5:1 pistons are worth 12 hp to you and 10:1 pistons are worth 6hp; not bad.

If your going to spend the money on custom pistons, the price should be the same between 9.5:1 and 10/10.5:1.

Your .020 block displaces 1777cc vs. 1755cc, or about 1% over stock.

 

[habitatguy187]

I would also think that you'd need higher compression than 9.5:1 to make the power you're looking for out of this thing.

EDIT: ^^^ Beat me to it!

 

[LandoAWD]

Come On guys the threads to help him out, not to hate on a 1.8.....

It's the attitude, not the concept. He knew what type of responses he would get by baiting user in with his thread title and he's been combative throughout. We have an "ignore user" function if he really didn't want to hear it, but we know that isn't the case.

OP: Make sure to not let this turn into a build thread. Post a blog. Work from there.

 

[goodhart]

Come On guys the threads to help him out, not to hate on a 1.8.....

I tried to help, then all he could do is talk more shit and say that he had it all figured out. He doesn't want any help, all he wants to do is put fear into the hearts of stock honduh civics and geo metros around the country

 

[dallu22]

sorry, I just saw alot of people popping in with one post to put the build down and yea i read the whole thread, there was some misplaced "combativeness" then there was some that wasnt misplaced, anyhow just thought i would drop some info on where to get some really good pistons that would make this build work, cause i cant say that i dont agree that the stock pistons and the stock valves(which he inteded to replace anyhoo) will probably fall to pieces in this build, but the bottom end rods and crank will hold up

::EDIT:: Here is a video from the first time the High compression setup run......Its completely do able
The Talon Lives #2 Video by Bebop - MySpace Video

 

[99gst_racer]

Where do you find these parts for a 4G67?


*Titanium Valve Springs
*Custom Valves
*260-280\260-280 cams
*High Performance Over Sized Piston Rings 0.020 Over
*9.5:1 High Compression Pistons Over Sized 0.020

 

[Boot92]

I tried to help, then all he could do is talk more shit and say that he had it all figured out. He doesn't want any help, all he wants to do is put fear into the hearts of stock honduh civics and geo metros around the country

Actually a Stock GEO Storm GSI is faster then a Stock 4G63 N\A Eclipse, and Actually I wouldnt mind having a GSI, people have made well over 500Whp with turbo.

your right, I dont want help, I created this thread mainly just for people who had intrest in the 1.8L, Yes I do want Input, so Negitive Input is ok, but not when its just Straight Up Bashing like some of it has been.

If your going to spend the money on custom pistons, the price should be the same between 9.5:1 and 10/10.5:1.

Your .020 block displaces 1777cc vs. 1755cc, or about 1% over stock.

See Heres the thing I think people mis read.

I didnt have the block Bored out, They guy who owned it b4 the guy who i bought it from had it bored out. and put 9.5CR Pistons in there.

If it were up to me I would have bored it 0.060 Over.

your right it is about the same cost, If my motor blows some time in the next XX years, I if i dont swap it out i will probably increase the bore to 60

Come On guys the threads to help him out, not to hate on a 1.8.....

if i had stopped building my high compression N/T (12:1 Pistons and a Shaved head 13.1 all together) because people hated the idea....well i wouldnt have a N/T that can keep up with well.....most everything....and i use it as a daily driver and the only problems ive had are the typical 4G63 problems with electronics(replaced the TPS, MAF, and IAC all original equip on the car)

All I got to Say is PROPS! I wanna know how it goes, I hope it makes the Nay Sayers look like fools

Thank you, All though im not building this motor to make the nay sayers feel like fools, it would be nice.

oh yeah thats right, I posted awhile back about a N\A 4G63 build, and it got bashed too. If its not turbo its bashed. I was gonna do shit loads of stuff, and it would hual too.

 

[dallu22]

I went through it already where do you find stuff.....I essentially had to call up every major parts manufacture and say "Hey i want this! Can you do it?"

::EDIT:: Also if you look.....Mitsubishi has this really bad habit of Re-using ALOT in all their cars, if the research is done the bottom end or valvetrain parts may be made for another Mitsu car that has plenty of parts available

 

[Boot92]

heres some info on where I'm getting my Shit.

Oil Catch Can, Exhuast Manifold, Intake Manifold, Exhuast System. I'm making myself.

Everything else comes from...

O'Rileys Auto Parts
Advanced Auto Parts
Napa Auto Parts
autopartswarehouse.com
TPRP Nashville
Horse Power Freaks
DSM 1 Eights
4G37 Tuners
NPM
Schnieder Racing Cams
RP Fabrications
The DSM Graveyard <----- The Holy Of Holy's

 

[kottyking]

I think every one is dissing me because they cant understand the concept of some one not wanting to be the same as everyone else, and wanting to do something different with there car.

Are you freaking kidding me??????? We are DSMR's, the underdog EVERYWHERE we go!!! You act like your the first person to try and make the 1.8 fast. I've got news for you you arn't. The comment about typical 2g owner, what does that even mean?

 

[Boot92]

I know im not the first to try to make the 1.8L fast, and i know there are 1.8L's way faster then i might be. but my impression of the site, is if its not turbo4g63 it blows even if its faster.

EDIT: I dont consider the DSM an Underdog.

I consider something like a GEO STORM, or a 1G CRX with Carb ZC a Underdog.

 

[kottyking]

I know, that's because you have no idea what your talking about. Your saying a carb'd honda is easier to work on then a fuel injected one. Your the one saying things like "typical 2g owner". Your the one comparing rotary's to crank and piston engines. Your saying a geo storm can handle 500 hp with boost (what the hell can't when you stick enough money in a car?). Your talking about overboreing like its a huge mod, when all it does is weaken cylindar walls when you go 60 over. Were saying a turbo 4g63 has MORE potential compared to a 1.8. If that hurts so much I'm sorry. Your impression of this site is that way because you came in here with a defeatus attitude and didn't hear what you want. We help each other out on this site, and i don't hear the thousands of others on this site complaining. That's the whole purpose of this site is to help each other and make members more knowledgeable. Also, if you knew the rules of the site, since this is not a thread asking questions as you said, you would have made a blog for you "build" thread.