The 14b Drag Race Discussion Thread

[Steve93Talon]

I personally think the cams will make a difference once the little 14B is at full song. But not a major cam is required.

Are you running the evo intake cam on the exhaust side and vise versa? They didnt look to be to far off when you first drop them in.

I previously ran HKS 272s on my old 14b setup, and I'm currently making more power now on stock cams. It's not an apples to apples comparison, though. Different fuel, different car, this setup has a FMIC, etc. I do think there may be the potential to shift the power band to the right a bit with the right cam, not necessarily gaining peak power, but just allowing the car to accelerate faster at the top end.

I'll be running the EVO cams with the intake on the intake side. From playing with them in my mock-up engine, the exhaust cam should be a drop-in, just a matter of marking which tooth on the gear to line up in the center. The intake side is a bit trickier, the ideal "straight up" centerline is exactly halfway between two teeth. I'll most likely just drill a new hole in the cam gear.

 

[1qkfwd]

I previously ran HKS 272s on my old 14b setup, and I'm currently making more power now on stock cams. It's not an apples to apples comparison, though. Different fuel, different car, this setup has a FMIC, etc. I do think there may be the potential to shift the power band to the right a bit with the right cam, not necessarily gaining peak power, but just allowing the car to accelerate faster at the top end.

I'll be running the EVO cams with the intake on the intake side. From playing with them in my mock-up engine, the exhaust cam should be a drop-in, just a matter of marking which tooth on the gear to line up in the center. The intake side is a bit trickier, the ideal "straight up" centerline is exactly halfway between two teeth. I'll most likely just drill a new hole in the cam gear.

Will the cam gears with two holes in them help at all? Its been awhile since I looked at my evo cams and tryed to mess with them. I think they would be the perfect coupled up with a 14B.

 

[bloodlinebkx]

Thanks! I'm still amazed too! I hit 11.69 with stock injectors, stock intercooler, stock IC piping, and other stuff. I'm sure if I pushed it I could've dropped the time a little more with those mods, but I had upgrades sitting on the shelf and the season was coming to an end, so I swapped those parts right after the 11.69 run.

That's a mean run on stock everything

 

[Kevin Jewer]

I'm not sure how much cams help on the small turbos. The theory says that desptite the fact that airflow can't go up, moving that air at less boost is still beneficial. The question is how much. Since larger cams are geared toward larger turbos, some of the changes they make may hurt power on small turbos, while others may still help. Duration, lift, overlap, etc. It's possible that the negative effects outweigh or at least cancel the positive effects. Cam gears let you change some of those qualities.

On my 10.31 on the 16g I'm running FP 4Rs. Cam gear changes alone dropped the ET from 10.7 to 10.3. Boost was the same on all runs (maxed out) and drive pressure was regulated to ~45 psi. 60 foots are always within a couple hundreths of each other, etc. If I were still using stock cams on a max effort small turbo setup I think I would still try some cam gears based on those results. On aftermarket cams I would wonder if they would hurt power installed straight up and if cam gears could get that power back and maybe gain some over stock.

 

[1qkfwd]

I'd degree them From the get go. I would think having a bigger cam you would have to advance the gears a degree or two. Bring the powerband back down. But then again I've never played with cam timing yet. I've degreed them so everything was lined up like it should be then raced. Which way did you go Kevin to get those gains?

 

[SBstar]

Nate was asking why my time wasn't on DSMTimes yet. After the shootout I tried to update it and it wouldn't take it for some reason. Well, apparently it's back up and running smoothly as it didn't even take 24 hours to update this time. Sitting solidly as their #12

Still disapointed to not get my 11 this year, but you can't control everything that happens. Next year it is.

 

[Phil1320]

Nate was asking why my time wasn't on DSMTimes yet. After the shootout I tried to update it and it wouldn't take it for some reason. Well, apparently it's back up and running smoothly as it didn't even take 24 hours to update this time. Sitting solidly as their #12

Still disapointed to not get my 11 this year, but you can't control everything that happens. Next year it is.

Nonetheless, big progress, congrats!

 

[1SloEvo]

Pretty stoked about next race season. Here is a quick list of what I already have lined up to be picking up in the next couple of weeks:

built motor
prothane poly bushings already installed in mounts
upgraded/rebuilt trans
FP exhaust manifold
Fuelab filter, Denso Supra pump and -6 fuel line
FMIC w/ piping
small odds and ends
ECMlink v3 full with EPROM ECU

Can't wait to get the car up and running. It's a 91 FWD. I've already removed all the interior short of "cutting" the door panels and bars and drilling out spot welds on random brackets. I would estimate the car will be no more than 2500lb with me in it...hopefully less!

 

[Phil1320]

Pretty stoked about next race season. Here is a quick list of what I already have lined up to be picking up in the next couple of weeks:

built motor
prothane poly bushings already installed in mounts
upgraded/rebuilt trans
FP exhaust manifold
Fuelab filter, Denso Supra pump and -6 fuel line
FMIC w/ piping
small odds and ends
ECMlink v3 full with EPROM ECU

Can't wait to get the car up and running. It's a 91 FWD. I've already removed all the interior short of "cutting" the door panels and bars and drilling out spot welds on random brackets. I would estimate the car will be no more than 2500lb with me in it...hopefully less!

Sounds killer man...best of luck

 

[1SloEvo]

Thanks Phil. I'm still planning to pick up an Evo FMIC to see what I think. It will save a lot of weight compared to the setup I have now. Only good thing is it will obviously cool better, but having that added weight on the nose of the car should help with traction on the FWD as well!

 

[SBstar]

Pretty stoked about next race season. Here is a quick list of what I already have lined up to be picking up in the next couple of weeks:

built motor
prothane poly bushings already installed in mounts
upgraded/rebuilt trans
FP exhaust manifold
Fuelab filter, Denso Supra pump and -6 fuel line
FMIC w/ piping
small odds and ends
ECMlink v3 full with EPROM ECU

Can't wait to get the car up and running. It's a 91 FWD. I've already removed all the interior short of "cutting" the door panels and bars and drilling out spot welds on random brackets. I would estimate the car will be no more than 2500lb with me in it...hopefully less!

Yep, sounds like a healthy setup to me! It's all about traction for you FWD fellas!

Wifey seems to think we can pick up engine internals if we can find a good enough black friday deal this coming week so I'll be picking up a spare block or if I have to, re-using this one for a new build as well. At the rate I'm going I'm not sure when it'll be done but we'll get there as well. Planning on 9.0:1 wiseco's and some H-beams most likely. That'll be good enough for the 14b and eventually the BIG Evo III 16g . I'd also like to see if FP runs a super deal on that FP mani. Also planning on switching to a 2g head most likely so there'll be some severe changes in my setup. Let's hope I can get them to work together and hit that 11!

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

Yep, sounds like a healthy setup to me! It's all about traction for you FWD fellas!

Wifey seems to think we can pick up engine internals if we can find a good enough black friday deal this coming week so I'll be picking up a spare block or if I have to, re-using this one for a new build as well. At the rate I'm going I'm not sure when it'll be done but we'll get there as well. Planning on 9.0:1 wiseco's and some H-beams most likely. That'll be good enough for the 14b and eventually the BIG Evo III 16g . I'd also like to see if FP runs a super deal on that FP mani. Also planning on switching to a 2g head most likely so there'll be some severe changes in my setup. Let's hope I can get them to work together and hit that 11!

Alright Shane!!! Isn't it awesome when the wife helps and encourages you on your project, instead of hindering you. We've both got good ones!!

I went to the track on Friday only to find it closed due to an error with the timing system. They are using a new wireless system from Race America and have had nothing but problems this year. I don't think it works well in the desert (sand and wind and all). The owner had to fly round trip to San Francisco to get a new part because the final points race of the season was the next morning. They ended up getting it fixed at 2:30 am.

I'm working this Friday night (black Friday) but I'm working days next Friday, (December 2nd) so it looks that that will be my next chance to shoot for 12's. I know it's there. I was barely launching at 4,000 RPMs and running wastegate pressure in 1st and 2nd. I'll get more aggressive (and I now have the traction to handle it) and even just dropping to a 2.1 60' should put me in the 12's. I'll keep you guys updated!!

 

[SBstar]

Do it!

 

[1qkfwd]

You got this man. Good luck. Grabs the reigns, use your whip, and hold the F on!!

 

[1SloEvo]

You got this man. Good luck. Grabs the reigns, use your whip, and DRIVE OUT LIKE YOU STOLE IT!!

Fixed!

 

[hubz91talontsi]

Shane, I may sell my 10.5:1/groden rod combo if youre interested. Probably going to go in the 2.4 direction.

 

[rhamlinii]

Shane, I may sell my 10.5:1/groden rod combo if youre interested. Probably going to go in the 2.4 direction.

Could you pm me spec's and the price your asking? I have a spare motor I'm building. Just in case I'll have two motors wating to go in.

 

[dantheclipseman]

Since im in the 14b thread I was just wondering how big of a difference the ebay bought 16g is from the 1st gen 14b?

 

[e85_4g63]

Since im in the 14b thread I was just wondering how big of a difference the ebay bought 16g is from the 1st gen 14b?

Seriously dude?

 

[1SloEvo]

. Wish he would have at least asked about an ebay 16g compared to an Evo III 16g.

 

[e85_4g63]

. Wish he would have at least asked about an ebay 16g compared to an Evo III 16g.

... and NOT in the 14b drag race discussion thread!

 

[Phil1320]

Seriously dude?

The exact words in my head when I saw the link in my email

WTF

... and NOT in the 14b drag race discussion thread!

Glad I didn't have to say it.....kinda

 

[1SloEvo]

For anyone interested in following, i started my build thread in the drag journal section. Nothing too exciting yet, but its in work.

 

[Nate Crisman]

I'll be starting a build thread soon for my 2012 effort to get that pesky 14b record. I still can't believe how much effort it has taken and still how far off I am from a record set in 2004. It's both aggravating and motivating.

Plan is to swap to a lighter shell that has some tube work on the front and rear ends, and changes for performance to a few key areas of the system (fuel, intercooler, nitrous, compression).

I'll be making a ton of changes to layout of pretty much everything in the engine bay with a removable front clip that will take the radiator, intercooler, fuel system, and catch cans with it for easy access to the engine. It should save a little weight, but most of that effort and work won't have much effect on actual performance. Also going to make a new o2 housing w/ exhaust outlet on the front bumper, again for easy of repair and access, but likely no performance gain.

Actually, now that I think about it, just about nothing Im doing will have significant performance benefit other than the larger intercooler and lower weight. Everything else is for maintenance/reliability issues.

 

[SikSol]

Did a quick search through this thread but didnt see anything, anyone know what the fastest 14b powered 2g is? I wouldn't mind shooting for that this summer.