The 14b Drag Race Discussion Thread

[DJ23GSX]

At that point in time:
-Modded factory aircan with K&N
-3" turbo back Extreme/ATR
-Extreme MBC @20-21 psi
-ported 2G mani
-ported O2 with external dump
-Walbro 255 low pressure fuel pump
-ACT 2600 PP/Street disc---still in the car now....
-Magnecor plug wires

That's it beside weight reduction. The ECU, injectors, FPR, I/C, piping, all that was bone stock

Best run at that time was 12.02@112
Best MPH was 113.17 on a 12.05 run

This was with race gas and crazy high base timing right? I remember from our chat at the track last year you saying something about running 10* base timing and never datalogging the car at that point . I'm still in awe at what this car is doing

 

[Phil1320]

This was with race gas and crazy high base timing right? I remember from our chat at the track last year you saying something about running 10* base timing and never datalogging the car at that point . I'm still in awe at what this car is doing

That is correct! The timing has not been touched since....

....ummmm and no datalogs either!

 

[supravw]

I finally got my mirage all back together and running. I then proceeded to destroy an axle, it popped out of the cup and made a horrible noise while doing a 2nd gear pull. Replacing it tomorrow and hopefully I won't have to mess with it anymore. I'm sick of working on it, I just want to drive it!!

 

[SBstar]

Got the car running on E-85 yesterday, going to be doing some tuning today and hopefully finding time to get it to the track again next week.

 

[pneumo]

What a coincidence, I'm in the middle of converting my car to E85 too! I just filled the tank last night. I still need to swap injectors and download the new ecu map, then start tuning. There's a big race out in Sacramento next week I want to do.

 

[SBstar]

What a coincidence, I'm in the middle of converting my car to E85 too! I just filled the tank last night. I still need to swap injectors and download the new ecu map, then start tuning. There's a big race out in Sacramento next week I want to do.

Car's running like a champ on it, actually other then at WOT it's hard to notice any difference at all! Starts a little tougher which will be interesting once it gets colder, but I don't forsee driving it alot then anyways.

Also got a carbon fiber hood installed. A buddy picked up a new shell and is switching from a 1ga to a 1gb so the hood no longer works for him. On loan until I decide to buy it or he sells it to someone else haha! Pretty good weight savings there.

 

[SBstar]

Can't seem to get the 13 second monkey off my back now. Took her to Milan tonight to get it dialed in on the E-85. First pass I missed 2nd gear, got a new best 60ft of 1.71 and a new best ET of 13.09 @ 108.7 though! Car was making decent power, this was at about 21-22psi. 2nd pass the launch felt decent but when right before I hit the 1-2 the car started spinning like crazy, then into 2nd gear and again nothing but wheel spin. I thought I was crazy at first and figured maybe it was the clutch slipping and I was just imagining wheel spin, ended up with a 13.5 letting off before the 1000ft and shifting it into 5th. Took her for round 3 and 1st gear was nothing but spin and into 2nd the same thing trying to pedal it down the track. Couldn't figure it out so I decided it was time to head home. Tried opening it up down the road again spinning like crazy and realized it was just the front wheels spinning. Then the clunking started up and it hit me

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Believe it or not there was no sign that it had given up other then the unbelievable wheel spin. The axle apparently snapped and stayed in place throughout a full run and a half, what an idiot i felt like. Although it the rear end didn't leak out any fluid until the axle finally popped all the way out on the road. Kind of a weird experience.

But anyways I'll be searching for a good 4 bolt rear to swap in.

 

[TSimage]

What a coincidence, I'm in the middle of converting my car to E85 too! I just filled the tank last night. I still need to swap injectors and download the new ecu map, then start tuning. There's a big race out in Sacramento next week I want to do.

Wanna come up early Dave? Put the Galant together? I have been contemplating putting this Evo3 parts on or not.. They are unported. I suppose since I have to pull the turbo off to change that mount anyways I might as well..

 

[Hubbell91Tsi]

Wow it seems like i havent posted anything in forever... Anyway the new longblock is running awesome 2200 miles on it already. Right now im running 24-26psi on e85 with 16*. No knock on the cute little sidemount . I dont think im going to run the car at the shootout this year though...

Anyway dsmlink calculated numbers are 350hp 399tq. 14b ftw 28-31lbs/min

Oh, and i bought some 15x6.5 slipstreams for slicks

 

[jjrock5]

Anyway dsmlink calculated numbers are 350hp 399tq. 14b ftw 28-31lbs/min

Wow crazy numbers. What is your setup bud?

 

[Steve93Talon]

Oh, and i bought some 15x6.5 slipstreams for slicks

Has anyone ever tried 26" slicks on a 14b setup (FWD or AWD)? I'm thinking they're gonna be too tall, but I have a buddy selling a set cheap and might try them out.

 

[99gst_racer]

^^^ I have a buddy selling a set for pretty cheap too, and was considering picking them up for my 14B car, but I really don't think they would benefit over a 24.5" diameter set-up. I'd love to hear from somebody who has tried it.

 

[Phil1320]

Can't seem to get the 13 second monkey off my back now. Took her to Milan tonight to get it dialed in on the E-85. First pass I missed 2nd gear, got a new best 60ft of 1.71 and a new best ET of 13.09 @ 108.7 though! Car was making decent power, this was at about 21-22psi. 2nd pass the launch felt decent but when right before I hit the 1-2 the car started spinning like crazy, then into 2nd gear and again nothing but wheel spin. I thought I was crazy at first and figured maybe it was the clutch slipping and I was just imagining wheel spin, ended up with a 13.5 letting off before the 1000ft and shifting it into 5th. Took her for round 3 and 1st gear was nothing but spin and into 2nd the same thing trying to pedal it down the track. Couldn't figure it out so I decided it was time to head home. Tried opening it up down the road again spinning like crazy and realized it was just the front wheels spinning. Then the clunking started up and it hit me



Believe it or not there was no sign that it had given up other then the unbelievable wheel spin. The axle apparently snapped and stayed in place throughout a full run and a half, what an idiot i felt like. Although it the rear end didn't leak out any fluid until the axle finally popped all the way out on the road. Kind of a weird experience.

But anyways I'll be searching for a good 4 bolt rear to swap in.

Nice you hit 13.0@108! The traps are good for mid 12's easy...nice 1.71 60' as well....sorry about the breakage though.

E85 works I see with your jump to 108 trap.

Good luck gettin it back up and running soon!

Since you guys are talking E85 I'll throw something up here for comparisons sake. A local guy(next state over) just went 11.0@124 using E85 on an EVO 3 16G, DSMlink and his own tune. He is up here on tuners and goes by Fonz. Pretty bad ass. His car is still 100% street car, has some weight reduction for sure, but definitely not a super lightweight. If he catches up on the thread here and wants to throw more details out, I'll leave that up to him. I just feel that a 16g time is relative here because it can project an idea of what's possible on the 14b.....or, what isn't......

 

[TSimage]

For you guys wondering about the 26" tall tire, look back in the thread. Nate uses the 26" tall QTPs I believe..

 

[SBstar]

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The E-85 definately helps, and I still need to get the tune better. But bumping the boost up probably equated for most of the mph gain. Should be in my mid 12's if I can manage a full pass.

All these Evo III 16g times coming out in the LOW 11's and high 10's are making it tougher and tougher to stick with the 14b eh?

 

[Phil1320]

For you guys wondering about the 26" tall tire, look back in the thread. Nate uses the 26" tall QTPs I believe..

He has yes. But, I think the 24.5 is definitely the tire for small turbo cars.......

The E-85 definately helps, and I still need to get the tune better. But bumping the boost up probably equated for most of the mph gain. Should be in my mid 12's if I can manage a full pass.

All these Evo III 16g times coming out in the LOW 11's and high 10's are making it tougher and tougher to stick with the 14b eh?

You're right, the boost definitely helps no doubt. More in the torque dept than the HP dept, hence, you're broken axle. Maybe not entirely, but a contributing factor.

Not making it tougher to stay with the 14b per se', but, it's obvious to see that hitting 10's on the 14b even with E85 is going to be a task. I can tell you that for the car I mentioned above to run the 11.0@124 it's making 400 to the wheels PLUS. So, if you're going to do it in a 14b powered car, it needs to be light, not like my car, I mean LIGHT. Basically, the 16g powered cars running the numbers are proving that 10 seconds on the 14b for any AWD is gonna be a serious accomplishment, as it's a major one with the 16G as it is...

 

[Hubbell91Tsi]

Wow crazy numbers. What is your setup bud?

Um, just a few go fast parts . Stock cam ftl .

 

[TSimage]

Well I FINALLY started some more progress on the Galant. I've had the correct mount for some time but simply no time or drive to get it done. The weather all of a sudden turned and it has been hot ass Hades around here so the window of opportunity is small, not to mention the massive black widow sitting under my turbo I finally killed the other day...

I was bum tired yesterday and went to sleep at like 7-8 so I easily woke up at 5-6. played with the dog and almost hopped on the XBox but decided I'd get to the Galant before my wife or the sun got up. I had to remove the actuator and the manifold off the turbo to position it enough to get the mount off. I got that bolted up and after struggling with the drivers side mount for a while I pulled the modified mount off my Talon.. sure it fit, but the motor still seemed tweaked. I glanced across the engine bay and noticed that the fkin transmission mount bolt was going through the RUBBER portion of the mount and not the sleeve. Previous owners FTL.

Naturally after I got that together everything went in fine. So where do we sit now?

Well the only thing holding me back from starting this thing up is the 2 broken bolts in my EVO3 hotside... Sure I could put the stocker back on, but I suppose if I waited this long, why half-ass it? Sigh*

So now I gotta have these fkin fused bolts taken out. People, PLEASE.. I repeat, PLEASE use anti -seize when you are putting ANY high temp/high torque bolts together.. Don't be dumb/lazy/stupid.. Build the car right the first time.

 

[Phil1320]

Well I FINALLY started some more progress on the Galant. I've had the correct mount for some time but simply no time or drive to get it done. The weather all of a sudden turned and it has been hot ass Hades around here so the window of opportunity is small, not to mention the massive black widow sitting under my turbo I finally killed the other day...

I was bum tired yesterday and went to sleep at like 7-8 so I easily woke up at 5-6. played with the dog and almost hopped on the XBox but decided I'd get to the Galant before my wife or the sun got up. I had to remove the actuator and the manifold off the turbo to position it enough to get the mount off. I got that bolted up and after struggling with the drivers side mount for a while I pulled the modified mount off my Talon.. sure it fit, but the motor still seemed tweaked. I glanced across the engine bay and noticed that the fkin transmission mount bolt was going through the RUBBER portion of the mount and not the sleeve. Previous owners FTL.

Naturally after I got that together everything went in fine. So where do we sit now?

Well the only thing holding me back from starting this thing up is the 2 broken bolts in my EVO3 hotside... Sure I could put the stocker back on, but I suppose if I waited this long, why half-ass it? Sigh*

So now I gotta have these fkin fused bolts taken out. People, PLEASE.. I repeat, PLEASE use anti -seize when you are putting ANY high temp/high torque bolts together.. Don't be dumb/lazy/stupid.. Build the car right the first time.

I've never used anti-seize on any high temp bolts, especially turbo to manifold bolts. I was always told that it will help weld the bolts to the turbine housing.....generally those bolts break off in the turbine or get stuck because they are not properly shimmed with the right washers......it also helps to chase the threads in the turbine housing especially if it's been sitting around. Excess metal and rust always causes problems with bolts breaking off. Last, if the bolts being used are "used" and 20 years old, there's a pretty good chance they'll snap at some point.

 

[TSimage]

I've religiously used it and all my cars have maintained a level of "workability" that most are very unfamiliar with unless you work on new cars . I can put a wrench on any bolt on my cars and break it free as if new. Yes cleaning the threads is key prior to installation but I've never had to do much more than break loose a bolt and then spin it free by hand almost imediately after.


I actually bout the housing with the bolts already broken inside but regardless its not that big of a deal I suppose... we'll be on the road busting out crazy ets in no time then its time to move onto the Talon. Everyone has been patiently waiting for that thing and I've been slackin .


Btw, excuse any typos. I'm on my phone in the car and there is a glare on my screen hahaha, and no I'm not drivin sillies.

I've never used anti-seize on any high temp bolts, especially turbo to manifold bolts. I was always told that it will help weld the bolts to the turbine housing.....generally those bolts break off in the turbine or get stuck because they are not properly shimmed with the right washers......it also helps to chase the threads in the turbine housing especially if it's been sitting around. Excess metal and rust always causes problems with bolts breaking off. Last, if the bolts being used are "used" and 20 years old, there's a pretty good chance they'll snap at some point.

 

[SBstar]

Hey at least your previous owner didn't cut a hole through the floor to get to the rear end like they did on my first dsm haha!

Broken bolts are a pain, the best method I've found is welding a bead out and a nut, along with the heat from the weld they usually break free easily. I've never used anti-seize on those bolts either but cleaning them up and using new hardware has kept me from that annoyance.

 

[LucasEnglish]

Well my 1st attempt at some 14b times in the little auto were failure. 1st pass out 90deg out with a bad launch was a 11.7 spiking 29psi on the launch and 23psi on the shifts falling to 14psi by redline. Next pass out I gave it more boost so it held about 16psi to 6k but the turbo blew apart just after the 1/8th. Felt the exhaust wheel hit the bottom of the car.

Going to get the oil feed from the filter housing and try again with the 14b. Hopping to get a 10.9 but unless this 14b was hurt from the start I doubt I will pull off a 10.9.

 

[Phil1320]

Well my 1st attempt at some 14b times in the little auto were failure. 1st pass out 90deg out with a bad launch was a 11.7 spiking 29psi on the launch and 23psi on the shifts falling to 14psi by redline. Next pass out I gave it more boost so it held about 16psi to 6k but the turbo blew apart just after the 1/8th. Felt the exhaust wheel hit the bottom of the car.

Going to get the oil feed from the filter housing and try again with the 14b. Hopping to get a 10.9 but unless this 14b was hurt from the start I doubt I will pull off a 10.9.

How bout some more details Lucas? I don't think that's a bad start, or a bad run. MPH? What's a bad launch? 1.7?

I would think any 14b with a 30psi spike is gonna blow to pieces

Anyway, good luck hitting 10.9

 

[LucasEnglish]

Good launch is a 1.40 on my little Auto and a bad launch is a 1.6 or worse. I left the car at a buddy house and never even did look at the MPH. Think that run was a 1.66.

Will get more of an up date next week when I take her back out. If I can find another 14b.

 

[Phil1320]

Good launch is a 1.40 on my little Auto and a bad launch is a 1.6 or worse. I left the car at a buddy house and never even did look at the MPH. Think that run was a 1.66.

Will get more of an up date next week when I take her back out. If I can find another 14b.

Fair enough....after running a few 1.4X's myself, I suppose a 1.6 wouldn't be that hot, so I'm with you there.

Ok, definitely interested to see the MPH, I know the 330' and 1/8 are not where you want to be, so I'll wait til you hook a good launch and all the ET stuff will be more in tune with the full potential.

But, I don't know anyone that went out and ran 11.7 first time on the 14b, so that's cool, granted you've got quite the set-up, i.e. good basis, still killer in my book.

I'm sure you can find another 14B, I'll be waiting for the details and will look forward to seeing you run again, later