The 14b Drag Race Discussion Thread

[Phil1320]

*sarcasm* I totally forgot that you held or had anything to do with the record.
Seems like your taking what I say a bit personal this morning.

I am building to steal the record. I didnt run yesterday with any intentions of breaking the record or getting close to the record. I was running to perfect what I have. And I did. I made some big steps forward.

I dont think that any time I go to the track is wasted. I go because its fun and its good to get the seat time and experience. I have a lot of that so yes right now I need to focus on perfecting the car. Getting my shift points down, getting the 60' times down, collecting data and making changes to the car. All stuff im doing. I know what the car will do. Time slip does tell the outcome. Aside what the slips say now this car is more than you expect it to be.

Is the perfect setup not the setup to destroy the current 14B record???

I obviously missed something with you. Let's just leave it there. Whatever makes ya happy.

LMFAO. "Was" is the operative word there. Someone else "was" the record holder 10 years before you running high 14s. You were the record holder, but Justin's gone quite a bit quicker than you did. Period. You said yourself the timeslip is all that matters.

Glad you got a good laugh.

With a 400+ lb. weight advantage and more power at the ground, he'd look silly if he didn't go quite a bit quicker than I did.

You know, you're right, 'Was.'' I'm most definitely a has been in this category. I think you've helped me see the light. It's time to throw in the towel on drag racing. So, thanks for your inspiration, Mr. Jewer.

Oh, and if Justin being .50 quicker than me actually bothered me in any way, then I guess my Talon wouldn't still be sitting as a bare shell on jack stands. Same thing goes for my FWD Laser shell on stands right next to it, why bother. Now, how funny is that?

I think it's F***ing hilarious!

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

Whoa guys... I don't know where all this is coming from. Let all take a chill pill and enjoy discussing the racing a modifying of our 14b cars.

 

[CrackedDSM]

Whoa guys... I don't know where all this is coming from. Let all take a chill pill and enjoy discussing the racing a modifying of our 14b cars.

+1 Keep the drama to the PM's.

 

[SBstar]

Whoa guys... I don't know where all this is coming from. Let all take a chill pill and enjoy discussing the racing a modifying of our 14b cars.

What he said.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

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[GRNDSM]

Whoa guys... I don't know where all this is coming from. Let all take a chill pill and enjoy discussing the racing a modifying of our 14b cars.

Really? You truly do not know where this is coming from?

Good luck, Justin!!!

 

[1qkfwd]

For those that are interested in my progress with the 14B I updated my build thread. Has all my times from saturday.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dsm...tealing-14b-record-build-6.html#post153248342

 

[Bud92gsx]

I took out the bottom peice that holds the hood latch.that weighed a good 7/8 lbs.Also while i was under there i did the metal things inside the cd player hole,the ones on the side.Then under the dash took out a good 15 lbs from under dash brackets.
Im getting some weight cut down on the car.

I still have to remove the ac components,and wire the ac fan to the radiator fan.i was gonna flip the ac fan to in front.but i need to mod the fan a lil more to do that.

Im getting 20 psi by about 4k maybe less,im just watching the boost gauge. 12s here i come boi.

 

[CrackedDSM]

I took out the bottom peice that holds the hood latch.that weighed a good 7/8 lbs.Also while i was under there i did the metal things inside the cd player hole,the ones on the side.Then under the dash took out a good 15 lbs from under dash brackets.
Im getting some weight cut down on the car.

I still have to remove the ac components,and wire the ac fan to the radiator fan.i was gonna flip the ac fan to in front.but i need to mod the fan a lil more to do that.

Im getting 20 psi by about 4k maybe less,im just watching the boost gauge. 12s here i come boi.

That seems a little laggy for a 14B.



14B's and Auto AWD's go extremely well. I was into the 12's reliably on the stock SMIC. Only mods were Evo injectors, Walbro 190, 2G MAF, Dejon intake, Dejon UICP, leaky/pos TurboXS RFL BOV, and at 21lbs of boost. With nothing but a complete 14B swap(turbo, injectors, ECU, cams, basically everything off a 5-speed turbo), paper air filter, stock exhaust, and only a MBC @ 15lbs I ran 13.9's. I'm curious to see what a 14B does with a proper tune on an Auto AWD. TunerPro Speed Density, HKS 272's, Cyclone IM, ETS FMIC, etc. Should run pretty good.

 

[Bud92gsx]

Im also in the 7cm turbine housing as well.Sorry I should have mentioned I've only let it go to 20 while driving and i back off.Umm honestly it should be closer to 3k cause iI can get 14@2300rpm.

 

[SBstar]

I wouldn't worry too much about your spool, unless it seems laggy you're not figuring out much by glancing between two gauges. Sounds like you're getting work done though! Any plans for when it should see the track bud?

I'm getting things buttoned up here and there on my project. Should be tracking in early May.

Well, good job on lowering your sixty Justin, the rest shows that there have been some other improvements too. Keep picking away at it.

 

[1qkfwd]

I wouldn't worry too much about your spool, unless it seems laggy you're not figuring out much by glancing between two gauges. Sounds like you're getting work done though! Any plans for when it should see the track bud?

I'm getting things buttoned up here and there on my project. Should be tracking in early May.

Well, good job on lowering your sixty Justin, the rest shows that there have been some other improvements too. Keep picking away at it.

Lemme know when your ready for those tires. Im gonna write a short review on my likings of the M&H over the M/Ts on my build thread.

Im having fun trying to find the right combo of parts. Im still working hard as hell to get this car to consistantly hit mid to high 1.5s. The chassis and the 14B power is capable of the 1.4s as Phil proved already. If Kiggly can 1.2 in a fwd than I can get this fwd to hook like no other. Just have to play around with a bunch of stuff like im doing. Its working to.

Now that I have some solid data on the fwd and 24.5s, next time out I will be on the awd trans and 26x8.5 M/Ts.

 

[SBstar]

Lemme know when your ready for those tires. Im gonna write a short review on my likings of the M&H over the M/Ts on my build thread.

Im having fun trying to find the right combo of parts. Im still working hard as hell to get this car to consistantly hit mid to high 1.5s. The chassis and the 14B power is capable of the 1.4s as Phil proved already. If Kiggly can 1.2 in a fwd than I can get this fwd to hook like no other. Just have to play around with a bunch of stuff like im doing. Its working to.

Now that I have some solid data on the fwd and 24.5s, next time out I will be on the awd trans and 26x8.5 M/Ts.

Well, I'm ready, but the wifey isn't! I still need a shipped price for those wheels too man.

I agree, the car should be able to cut 1.5's with the 14b, and with your consistent gains you'll get there. I've forgotten, have you tried limiting straps on the front yet?

 

[1qkfwd]

Well, I'm ready, but the wifey isn't! I still need a shipped price for those wheels too man.

I agree, the car should be able to cut 1.5's with the 14b, and with your consistent gains you'll get there. I've forgotten, have you tried limiting straps on the front yet?

Sorry on the wheels. Its been so hectic on this end. Now that this weekends race is over Im catching up on everything. Ill get that price.

Now I personally think the car will cut a high 1.5 with no straps. Ive been putting a lot of time with the car on my chassis scales and trying to get the car adjusted and use what I have. I do have future plans for limiting straps. I have all the stuff to make them. Ive got the suspension setup pretty good so far. Now that im switching to the taller slicks I'll have to change some stuff around.

With the right tire, which would probably be the 26x10 slick I might be able to get close to Phil's 60' times. Joe B was cutting low 1.5s on the 16G setup so it is doable.

 

[Dsmkauai]

I'm working on a 91 gvr4 and planning to run the 14b as long as I can. So far with adding a fmic, 2g mas, fic 550's a mbc set to 16-17 and some maintenance. I've managed to pull 1.8 60's and run 13.5@101. I have a whole list of parts I've been getting to get the thing running 12's maybe faster. more updates soon once I get some work done on it, and we get to race this year. They are repaving the track and probably won't be open until July or later which sux.

 

[Bud92gsx]

I wouldn't worry too much about your spool, unless it seems laggy you're not figuring out much by glancing between two gauges. Sounds like you're getting work done though! Any plans for when it should see the track bud?

I'm getting things buttoned up here and there on my project. Should be tracking in early May.

I'm hoping may as well. Fingers crossed.

Keep up the good work everyone.

 

[YZFR1]

Just got these real world results in and am a little stumped, dissapointed and impressed all at the same time.. just thought someone might find them interesting

Preface.. got the 14b running pretty good above 20 psi range. Feeling pretty satisfied with the results i was getting but not ready to competely max it out yet, i decide to slap on the 68hta just to see what that would be like.. having it laying around for a few months already i was getting a little curious

First impression, wow the lag is about a whole grand of rpm. Second impression, wow this thing holds about 10 psi more up top than the little turbo and sounds nasty while doing it.

Got it turned up to 27 psi and did a quick 1-2-3 run today while wanting to compare it to the 14b's 21psi 1-2-3 run. The results were a little shocking to tell the truth.

Here is the snap shot of a 10hz/s gps datalogger.. on the same road

(red line 14b; blue 68hta)

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I'm not going to lie, i did expect more out of the 68hta especially at that psi when comparing it to the stock turbo. I also didn't expect the little 14b to keep up and put up such a fight against it either.

Just a little summary of both runs plotted above:

Same car, same everything besides the tubo. The only differences were:

*the 14b run was at 21 psi holding 14 psi out the top - 68hta 27 psi holding 24 out the top
*the 14b run was with 68/32 mix - 68hta 100% m1 methanol
*the 14b had a ported compressor cover with a 2" port matched elbow outlet - 68hta unported with a 1.75" dejon elbow outlet unmatched
*the 14b has an uncliped turbo wheel - 68hta a 10* clipping
*the 14b run was done with denso 550cc's - 68hta with fic 1050's
*the 14b run i was by myself - 68hta with my ~175lbs brother
*the 14b run was with BR6ES's - 68hta with BR7ES's

All of my math channels show that there was an approximate 50hp difference between both runs. Everything else from the top of my head was about the same, both runs were made with an 8cm housing, hotpipe, evo3 o2 and 2.5" straight exhaust. Both held pressure about the same during a BLT. Both had very similar AIT during the runs and were only a week apart between the runs, so very similar abient temps.

Just to be clear, both setups are not completely optimized and this is not the end of it all kind of a thing and i don't intend to start a pissing match about it. These are just my real world results THIS FAR. I speculate and hope that since the hta is clipped maybe it needs a few extra psi to make it shine better.. Only more testing and trial and error will tell. Another thing, the cams were completely untouched during this testing, i speculate some gains to be made from optimizing them for each turbo.

Other than that, the 68hta feels great on the street, and i feel like it can get me in trouble if im not carefull enough just because of all the extra boost it holds and a fatter horsepower curve, on the same note when the 14b hits i get this almost instant surge of "pure and uncut" torque. Thanks for reading my post.

 

[1qkfwd]

Just got these real world results in and am a little stumped, dissapointed and impressed all at the same time.. just thought someone might find them interesting

Preface.. got the 14b running pretty good above 20 psi range. Feeling pretty satisfied with the results i was getting but not ready to competely max it out yet, i decide to slap on the 68hta just to see what that would be like.. having it laying around for a few months already i was getting a little curious

First impression, wow the lag is about a whole grand of rpm. Second impression, wow this thing holds about 10 psi more up top than the little turbo and sounds nasty while doing it.

Got it turned up to 27 psi and did a quick 1-2-3 run today while wanting to compare it to the 14b's 21psi 1-2-3 run. The results were a little shocking to tell the truth.

Here is the snap shot of a 10hz/s gps datalogger.. on the same road

(red line 14b; blue 68hta)

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I'm not going to lie, i did expect more out of the 68hta especially at that psi when comparing it to the stock turbo. I also didn't expect the little 14b to keep up and put up such a fight against it either.

Just a little summary of both runs plotted above:

Same car, same everything besides the tubo. The only differences were:

*the 14b run was at 21 psi holding 14 psi out the top - 68hta 27 psi holding 24 out the top
*the 14b run was with 68/32 mix - 68hta 100% m1 methanol
*the 14b had a ported compressor cover with a 2" port matched elbow outlet - 68hta unported with a 1.75" dejon elbow outlet unmatched
*the 14b has an uncliped turbo wheel - 68hta a 10* clipping
*the 14b run was done with denso 550cc's - 68hta with fic 1050's

All of my math channels show that there was an approximate 50hp difference between both runs. Everything else from the top of my head was about the same, both runs were made with an 8cm housing, hotpipe, evo3 o2 and 2.5" straight exhaust. Both held pressure about the same during a BLT. Both had very similar AIT during the runs and were only a week apart between the runs, so very similar abient temps.

Just to be clear, both setups are not completely optimized and this is not the end of it all kind of a thing and i don't intend to start a pissing match. These are just my real world results THIS FAR. I speculate and hope that since the hta is clipped maybe it needs a few extra psi to make it shine better.. Only more testing and trial and error will tell. Another thing, the cams were completely untouched during this testing, i speculate some gains to be made from optimizing them for each turbo.

Other than that the 68hta feels great on the street, and i feel like it can get me in trouble if im not carefull enough just because of all the extra boost it holds and a fatter horsepower curve, on the same note when the 14b hits i get this almost instant surge of "pure and uncut" torque. Thanks for reading my post.

That's odd. I know when we ran an evo3 16g to its Max at our local high elevation track it ran 11.3@122 swapped in the hta and with bad traction went 11.2@125. No other changes where made. The afr's where both in the 11.7-11.8 range.

I do plan to test the difference between the 7cm and fp8cm housing.

 

[YZFR1]

That's odd. I know when we ran an evo3 16g to its Max at our local high elevation track it ran 11.3@122 swapped in the hta and with bad traction went 11.2@125. No other changes where made. The afr's where both in the 11.7-11.8 range.

I speculate that at the track with a 2.0l the results might be more deviated than on the street with a strocker. It seems that it really starts to shine in 3rd gear and on up. Also, my rev limit was at 7k rpm and shifting at about 6.5k in 2nd and 3rd gears for both runs. I'm just not ready to rev my engine to the moon yet On both runs the first gear got burried in the rev limitter but it's one of those things that i didn't even realize it until looking at the log, even when looking at the videos for both runs it's impossible to tell it was bouncing there

After these results, i really want to try on a real evo3 16g and see how that must feel on the street with as much torque as a 14b and more top end power at the same time..

I do plan to test the difference between the 7cm and fp8cm housing.

Strange thing, when i swapped for an 8cm housing on the 14b, i also at the same time attempted to fix a couple small exhaust leaks and tried to seal everything back up nicely. After the 8cm housing was installed, i immediately noticed that i lost a good 1-1.5 in. of mercury

 

[SBstar]

Well they are on the way now. A full set of M&H Racemaster 24.5x8.5x15 slicks and a set of Flat Black Rota Slipstreams 15x7. The slicks are courtesy of Mr. Aichele who got me a great deal, thanks again! 2013 is shaping up to be fun!

 

[9!'clipseDOHC]

Awesome Shane!!

 

[1qkfwd]

I speculate that at the track with a 2.0l the results might be more deviated than on the street with a strocker. It seems that it really starts to shine in 3rd gear and on up. Also, my rev limit was at 7k rpm and shifting at about 6.5k in 2nd and 3rd gears for both runs. I'm just not ready to rev my engine to the moon yet On both runs the first gear got burried in the rev limitter but it's one of those things that i didn't even realize it until looking at the log, even when looking at the videos for both runs it's impossible to tell it was bouncing there

After these results, i really want to try on a real evo3 16g and see how that must feel on the street with as much torque as a 14b and more top end power at the same time..



Strange thing, when i swapped for an 8cm housing on the 14b, i also at the same time attempted to fix a couple small exhaust leaks and tried to seal everything back up nicely. After the 8cm housing was installed, i immediately noticed that i lost a good 1-1.5 in. of mercury

The stroker throws a whole new game. Could possibly build up a lot more backpressure in the stock style housing than a 2.0L.

Hopefully I get good feedback on the housing swap.

Well they are on the way now. A full set of M&H Racemaster 24.5x8.5x15 slicks and a set of Flat Black Rota Slipstreams 15x7. The slicks are courtesy of Mr. Aichele who got me a great deal, thanks again! 2013 is shaping up to be fun!

Your very welcome Shane. Make sure to snap some pics once you get everything all mounted up. We will be waiting for results ASAP!!!!!!

 

[91stocker]

Well they are on the way now. A full set of M&H Racemaster 24.5x8.5x15 slicks and a set of Flat Black Rota Slipstreams 15x7. The slicks are courtesy of Mr. Aichele who got me a great deal, thanks again! 2013 is shaping up to be fun!

What?? That 11.50 run was on streets

 

[SBstar]

What?? That 11.50 run was on streets

It was on borrowed 26" Hoosier QTP's which are a DOT "cheater slick", they appeared to have a few years and a little bit of use out of them too. I'm fairly certain I'll have even better results with the 24.5 diameter and a true slick, at least in the 60' department. Can't wait now!

 

[91stocker]

It was on borrowed 26" Hoosier QTP's which are a DOT "cheater slick", they appeared to have a few years and a little bit of use out of them too. I'm fairly certain I'll have even better results with the 24.5 diameter and a true slick, at least in the 60' department. Can't wait now!

Well better then streets, but yea wow. Beast 60ft inc.