The 14b Drag Race Discussion Thread

[1qkfwd]

Yep, that looks pretty spot on Auto RS T. Car looks sick in your avatar too...



Honestly, though, it has. That 10.87 is a crazy number, even though you are ''close.''

You've had three days of racing. Even though that's not too many, I believe you thought you'd have taken the record by now.

So, am I right or wrong?

I don't think it's enough time. Every day I run the car gets quicker. Look at how many times it took joe to hit 10 s from the time he was in the 11s. I don't dyno I don't street drive. So all my tuning is done at the track. My tune is nowhere near what it should be.

Example my runs in sac I know I hit low 1.6 60' times. The car has 1.5s simply because it's still pulling timing through first gear. So my next outing (march 23rd) I plan on working on just that and work on getting my 60' to 330ft time down. It's where I'm losing the most time. I think what's happening is that when the car yanks timing it's flat lining my mph so it won't gain any more. Then I shift to second and it bogs to low. At least that's what my logs show and what I hear.

So I'm still working out bugs and building the car. If I keep at this like I plan, I promise you a new 14b number to chase.

 

[Phil1320]

I don't think it's enough time. Every day I run the car gets quicker. Look at how many times it took joe to hit 10 s from the time he was in the 11s. I don't dyno I don't street drive. So all my tuning is done at the track. My tune is nowhere near what it should be.

Example my runs in sac I know I hit low 1.6 60' times. The car has 1.5s simply because it's still pulling timing through first gear. So my next outing (march 23rd) I plan on working on just that and work on getting my 60' to 330ft time down. It's where I'm losing the most time. I think what's happening is that when the car yanks timing it's flat lining my mph so it won't gain any more. Then I shift to second and it bogs to low. At least that's what my logs show and what I hear.

So I'm still working out bugs and building the car. If I keep at this like I plan, I promise you a new 14b number to chase.

Ok, cool. Just thought you might be disappointed or something and that it should have been quicker by now. It can't be simple, otherwise it would have been beaten by now.

Yeah, I've apparently had some timing pulled as well at the top of the track. So, yeah, figure that out and I'd guess it's worth a tenth or two right there.

Launching improvements are for sure your big area to gain the most ET.

What was your 330' mark?

Justin, I'm sure you will best the 10.87. I just hope in doing so it will make you aware of how much respect Joe deserves for what he did along side giving you the same feeling I had way back when I was able to grab that #1 spot. There's probably not gonna be too many people to beat Joe's ET and I can see him in the top ten when all of us have moved on from the 14b.

 

[1qkfwd]

Ok, cool. Just thought you might be disappointed or something and that it should have been quicker by now. It can't be simple, otherwise it would have been beaten by now.

Yeah, I've apparently had some timing pulled as well at the top of the track. So, yeah, figure that out and I'd guess it's worth a tenth or two right there.

Launching improvements are for sure your big area to gain the most ET.

What was your 330' mark?

Justin, I'm sure you will best the 10.87. I just hope in doing so it will make you aware of how much respect Joe deserves for what he did along side giving you the same feeling I had way back when I was able to grab that #1 spot. There's probably not gonna be too many people to beat Joe's ET and I can see him in the top ten when all of us have moved on from the 14b.

Im in no way disappointed in my efforts to date. I know this kind of thing doesnt happen over night. Im patient and willing to jump over any hurdles that are thrown out in front of me. Ive only blew up the one turbo but I plan on a lot more broken stuff and headaches before this is all said and done. But then again maybe I get lucky and dont have to deal with much.

The Break down of my slip vs Joes goes like this.

Joes
60'____1.626
330'___4.577
1/8___6.994
mph___101.48
1000___9.102
1/4____10.876
mph____123.83

Mine
60'____1.628
330'___4.663
1/8____7.137
mph____100.284
1000'___9.252
1/4_____11.036
mph_____125.592

I ment that my problem area is between the 330' and the 1/8. Ive got damn near the same 60'. Now you can see the difference in the gear ratios taking place right here.


I have nothing but respect for Joe and the other guys such as yourself on the list for what you have accompished over the years. Jumping to number 2 spot and being ahead of you guys dont make me look or act any different towards you guys. You guys paved the road which im going down. Im not one of those gonna just jump in to try and take the record and leave on a high horse. Ive learned some stuff from you and I hope that there are things that you guys running the 14b can learn from me in return.

 

[bullettdsm]

Lol, this went a little wacky after Justin's 11.0

Well, first, let me be the last to congratulate Justin on 11.0's. Effin' sweet! That trap with low 1.6's will get you to 10's. Like you've been saying its about seat time now (not to mention fine tuning the tune).

Just to weigh in a little on these "friendly competitive rules"

My vote was A.

DSM's

No full on race efforts with back pedalers tossing 14b's on in attempts to 'steal' the show trying to diminish the efforts of those who have a core interest in 14b performance.

Figured I'd wait for all to get in on it first.....

I swear there's a few more guys around that would want word in on this...

As you already know, Phil, this ^^ is where we're both at.

But I'm also liking this a lot;

Some thoughts...

If it is an existing record, doesn't that mean the rules are basically already set?

To me, the specific drag records the majority of you guys are after are the: "Unibody 1g DSM 14b Record", or "Unibody 2g DSM 14b Record", or "Unibody DSM 14b Record". Mainly the "Overall 14b DSM Unibody" record.

Basic Breakdown

A Factory Appearing 14b in a Factory Appearing Unibody DSM using Factory Appearing Drivetrain Configuration, with NO other Power Adders, Factory Appearing Head/Block

Turbo-

-Wheel to Wheel Factory Spec, Clipping ok, Stock Appearing Compressor Housing and DSM Bolt on Turbine Housing

-Forward Facing, ok

Chassis-

-DSM with Factory Drivetrain Configuration and Suspension Mounting Points, RWD w/ Factory Appearing DSM Trans and T-Case ok. FWD w/AWD Trans ok. Rear End swap ok, permitting Subframe bolts into chassis at factory locations using Factory Appearing Trans/T-Case

-Modification to Chassis in Front of Front Suspension and Rear of Rear Suspension Mounting ok, as long as Factory Appearing body Panels are attached

-Tube Suspension Components ok, permitting they retain Factory Mounting Locations to the Chassis

Engine-

-Any Block/Head from Any DSM that retains Factory Appearance

-No additional/other Power Adders

Fuel-

-Any with above rules

IMO if you can beat Joe B.'s record following these rules it should be considered valid. I guess to sum it up (for a poor example) You could bolt a 14b on a Viper and run faster than Joe, its not the same record... This is a " 14b DSM Unibody No Power Adder Record" Anyone with me?

Its obviously a friendly competition with the spirit of what can my factory 14b dsm do? Yes, we aren't talking stockers here but you want to keep it in the spirit of the original thought. To me, tubbing and railing, is just not in the spirit.

And for those that say well, we peaked at 10.87 (of course Justin would take umbrage to that, ) with what has been done now and we need to go drastic, I would certainly disagree. There are plenty of tricks that haven't been incorporated. There are power level matches with transmision matches. There are things like intercooler differences that haven't been totally explored. How about comp differences? How about head port/flow differences? How about suspension differences? Or tunes? In my mind THIS is where it gets fun. Trying to get more out of this. THIS IS WHEN YOU REALLY HAVE TO USE YOUR NOODLE AND RACING ABILITIES!

And I'm especially interested as soon as somebody says, "no you can't get anymore without doing crazy stuff". That "no" just motivates me more (I would venture to say its the motivation for most of the folks going after this "record").

Oh, and one more idea coming out of my opinionated mind; We set-up a moderating team to edit those that come out with crazy ass, off the wall, Nascar style ideas who haven't already tested them out

Alright, I guess we can't do that and for the "Official" record, I was only kidding

(but my fingers were crossed)

MB

 

[CrackedDSM]

You guys are tempting me to get in on some of this hot 14b action.

 

[1qkfwd]

Lol, this went a little wacky after Justin's 11.0

Well, first, let me be the last to congratulate Justin on 11.0's. Effin' sweet! That trap with low 1.6's will get you to 10's. Like you've been saying its about seat time now (not to mention fine tuning the tune).

Just to weigh in a little on these "friendly competitive rules"

Thank you for the kind words.

I as stated in my thread, I did pull a 1.628 on my 11.03 pass. It can only get better from here.

 

[1qkfwd]

You guys are tempting me to get in on some of this hot 14b action.

Well get your ass in gear and come join us

 

[FonZ454]

Jeez this thread took a turn for the worst.

Justin, keep doing work!

 

[Phil1320]

Lol, this went a little wacky after Justin's 11.0

Well, first, let me be the last to congratulate Justin on 11.0's. Effin' sweet! That trap with low 1.6's will get you to 10's. Like you've been saying its about seat time now (not to mention fine tuning the tune).

Just to weigh in a little on these "friendly competitive rules"




As you already know, Phil, this ^^ is where we're both at.

But I'm also liking this a lot;




Its obviously a friendly competition with the spirit of what can my factory 14b dsm do? Yes, we aren't talking stockers here but you want to keep it in the spirit of the original thought. To me, tubbing and railing, is just not in the spirit.

And for those that say well, we peaked at 10.87 (of course Justin would take umbrage to that, ) with what has been done now and we need to go drastic, I would certainly disagree. There are plenty of tricks that haven't been incorporated. There are power level matches with transmision matches. There are things like intercooler differences that haven't been totally explored. How about comp differences? How about head port/flow differences? How about suspension differences? Or tunes? In my mind THIS is where it gets fun. Trying to get more out of this. THIS IS WHEN YOU REALLY HAVE TO USE YOUR NOODLE AND RACING ABILITIES!

And I'm especially interested as soon as somebody says, "no you can't get anymore without doing crazy stuff". That "no" just motivates me more (I would venture to say its the motivation for most of the folks going after this "record").

Oh, and one more idea coming out of my opinionated mind; We set-up a moderating team to edit those that come out with crazy ass, off the wall, Nascar style ideas who haven't already tested them out

Alright, I guess we can't do that and for the "Official" record, I was only kidding

(but my fingers were crossed)

MB

Yeah agreed, there's still plenty left to try without getting crazy, especially for me.

Im in no way disappointed in my efforts to date. I know this kind of thing doesnt happen over night. Im patient and willing to jump over any hurdles that are thrown out in front of me. Ive only blew up the one turbo but I plan on a lot more broken stuff and headaches before this is all said and done. But then again maybe I get lucky and dont have to deal with much.

The Break down of my slip vs Joes goes like this.

Joes
60'____1.626
330'___4.577
1/8___6.994
mph___101.48
1000___9.102
1/4____10.876
mph____123.83

Mine
60'____1.628
330'___4.663
1/8____7.137
mph____100.284
1000'___9.252
1/4_____11.036
mph_____125.592

I ment that my problem area is between the 330' and the 1/8. Ive got damn near the same 60'. Now you can see the difference in the gear ratios taking place right here.


I have nothing but respect for Joe and the other guys such as yourself on the list for what you have accompished over the years. Jumping to number 2 spot and being ahead of you guys dont make me look or act any different towards you guys. You guys paved the road which im going down. Im not one of those gonna just jump in to try and take the record and leave on a high horse. Ive learned some stuff from you and I hope that there are things that you guys running the 14b can learn from me in return.

Cool.

You and I have matching 330' times at 4.66

Interesting.

 

[CrackedDSM]

Well get your ass in gear and come join us

Alright you talked me into it.




Let's see how fast I can go full weight, leather interior, heavy ass automatic trans/ AWD pig.

 

[pneumo]

How much time is saved by using NLTS vs lifting to shift?
Would a fast NLTS from 1>2 break loose the front slicks?

 

[1qkfwd]

Jeez this thread took a turn for the worst.

Justin, keep doing work!

That's the plan sir

Cool.

You and I have matching 330' times at 4.66

Interesting.

We are hard to compare. You've killed it with your 60' so it makes the rest of what we do in a different field.

Alright you talked me into it.




Let's see how fast I can go full weight, leather interior, heavy ass automatic trans/ AWD pig.

That's the best starting point. Although I would really like to see how far the 13g would go.

How much time is saved by using NLTS vs lifting to shift?
Would a fast NLTS from 1>2 break loose the front slicks?

Before I fixed the suspension would've broke the tires loose. Now don't think it will. Looking at my logs there's not to much difference between NLTS into 4th time wise. But I still need to get used to the NLTS. I keep wanting to shift faster than the car will allow.

 

[Phil1320]

Ummm. Ok.

 

[SBstar]

So between Joe and Justin

Diff at 60' .002
Diff at 330' .086
Diff at 1/8th .143
1000' .15
1/4 .16

Breaking down the numbers points out a few interesting points. Joe pulls out of the hole and pulls away all the way down the track, gaining a every measuring point. The majority of the advantage is gained before the 1/8th but he did continue to pull away in the second half as well, just not at nearly the same rate obviously. Looking at mph Joe has more in the first 1/8th and then Justin gains 3 more mph in the back half then Joe did. Despite that out acceleration in the back half, Joe continues to increase the ET advantage. So the gearing definitely plays a large role in those differences, but I'm not sure that the trans change alone will get Justin the record time. Seems Joe may still have been making a little more hp. Keep playing with the tune and looking at options and it'll be there though.

I think the awd vs. fwd comparison times are interesting at every level. But, it mostly just reinforces the weight argument. The awd pigs have to lose as much weight as possible and have to make as much hp as possible to have any chance.

Looking back, none of the awd offerings have tried to max it out though. Nate being the quickest effort didn't capitalize on weight like he could've and admittedly was only making a shakedown run to set up for the nitrous effort. Phil was the lightest but could do alot of things to be lighter yet and definitely wasn't capitalizing on power potential. Dave capitalized on power, but in a street version car. And I fall somewhere in between not truly capitalizing fully on either avenue. If an awd is serious about a record we better get our rears in gear and truly go for it and stop dinking around. But, for me, unless I end up with a trailer and a bigger budget it's just not going to happen.

 

[Phil1320]

So between Joe and Justin

Diff at 60' .002
Diff at 330' .086
Diff at 1/8th .143
1000' .15
1/4 .16

Breaking down the numbers points out a few interesting points. Joe pulls out of the hole and pulls away all the way down the track, gaining a every measuring point. The majority of the advantage is gained before the 1/8th but he did continue to pull away in the second half as well, just not at nearly the same rate obviously. Looking at mph Joe has more in the first 1/8th and then Justin gains 3 more mph in the back half then Joe did. Despite that out acceleration in the back half, Joe continues to increase the ET advantage. So the gearing definitely plays a large role in those differences, but I'm not sure that the trans change alone will get Justin the record time. Seems Joe may still have been making a little more hp. Keep playing with the tune and looking at options and it'll be there though.

I think the awd vs. fwd comparison times are interesting at every level. But, it mostly just reinforces the weight argument. The awd pigs have to lose as much weight as possible and have to make as much hp as possible to have any chance.

Yeah, Joe's first 1/8 is sick, to be under 7 seconds.

Most definitely.....and need to pull as much of an advantage right outta the gate. That's why I'm in search of another tenth by the 60' mark.

I've got Justin by .14 to the 60' which he nullifies by the 330'.

So, the question to self is what can I do to get that damn 60' down to where not many think it can go?

 

[bullettdsm]

How much time is saved by using NLTS vs lifting to shift?
Would a fast NLTS from 1>2 break loose the front slicks?

You can EASILY gain tenths using NLTS. Imo, at this power level, its a must. But when I ran my 567whp 420a, I did have a problem with the no lift shift on the 1-2. Part of it was the turbo size that I had (big hit up top) and part of it was slick size (24.5's). I also was doing it "au naturale" (no ECU involved in bringing down boost levels etc.).

As far as the breaking loose, as Justin pointed out, it will depend on your set-up and slick selection. Any good set-up/slick selection should hold (unless of course your drag radials are like 4 years old and unbagged over the that time. Right Phil? ).

And Justin, I'm telling you, a little seat time getting used to your set-up and you're in the 10's. I bet you can find it in your shift points alone. I see you talking about your 1-2 shift point with a slight bog. So do you adjust with timing or just up the shift point a little? Something, as you said, that needs to be worked on. Of course, you've got so many other things that you need to adjust and get used to; the numbers are there.

Fwiw I'm pulling for you

MB

 

[1qkfwd]

So between Joe and Justin

Diff at 60' .002
Diff at 330' .086
Diff at 1/8th .143
1000' .15
1/4 .16

Breaking down the numbers points out a few interesting points. Joe pulls out of the hole and pulls away all the way down the track, gaining a every measuring point. The majority of the advantage is gained before the 1/8th but he did continue to pull away in the second half as well, just not at nearly the same rate obviously. Looking at mph Joe has more in the first 1/8th and then Justin gains 3 more mph in the back half then Joe did. Despite that out acceleration in the back half, Joe continues to increase the ET advantage. So the gearing definitely plays a large role in those differences, but I'm not sure that the trans change alone will get Justin the record time. Seems Joe may still have been making a little more hp. Keep playing with the tune and looking at options and it'll be there though.

Now to break the down even better subtract each point at the track from the previous point. So.....
60-starting there's a .002
330-60' there was .084 gain
1/8-330 there's a .056 gain
1000-1/8 there's a .007 gain
1/4-1000 theres only a .01 gain

So you can see where I lost it and then gained it back in time towards the end.

I don't know where you guys are shifting at but I'm goin into 4th right before the 1/8 and driving it out.

I really do want to see a max effort awd. Is hasn't been fully executed. When it does there could be a good chance that the awd gets close to the same ET as the fwd but has a different breakdown goin down the track.

 

[1qkfwd]

Yeah, Joe's first 1/8 is sick, to be under 7 seconds.

Most definitely.....and need to pull as much of an advantage right outta the gate. That's why I'm in search of another tenth by the 60' mark.

I've got Justin by .14 to the 60' which he nullifies by the 330'.

So, the question to self is what can I do to get that damn 60' down to where not many think it can go?

I see the comparison now. Maybe should've looked further into it.

Maybe with tune and a lighter weight that will al change for you. Having a good 60' and being able to hold that gain a little farther down the track. Jumping to dsmlink will help for sure.

 

[1qkfwd]

You can EASILY gain tenths using NLTS. Imo, at this power level, its a must. But when I ran my 567whp 420a, I did have a problem with the no lift shift on the 1-2. Part of it was the turbo size that I had (big hit up top) and part of it was slick size (24.5's). I also was doing it "au naturale" (no ECU involved in bringing down boost levels etc.).

And Justin, I'm telling you, a little seat time getting used to your set-up and you're in the 10's. I bet you can find it in your shift points alone. I see you talking about your 1-2 shift point with a slight bog. So do you adjust with timing or just up the shift point a little? Something, as you said, that needs to be worked on. Of course, you've got so many other things that you need to adjust and get used to; the numbers are there.

Fwiw I'm pulling for you

MB

The NLTS at this level is hit and miss I think. It's there to keep the turbo recovery there between gears right?? Well I can misshift goin into 4th and still run an 11.3@122. So with the little turbo I don't think there's that big of gain. My spool up isn't much different with a NLTS as a regular shift.

The first to second issue, the car seems to pull timing only through first gear. So when you watch the mph it flattens out. So the car will hang at say 41mph for a few. I really have no choice but to shift. So then the cars lost its momentum the rpms drop to much in second gear. That alone will better my 330' time and help the 1/4. I know the far has more its slowly getting there.

I'm only goin to work on that 60'-1/8 times my next outing. Gonna try and figure out why the first gear timing retard. So I'll be readjusting my SD tables all the way now to richen up the whole range. Plus I'll be logging oil pressure to see if my issue is there.

 

[pneumo]

If I'm reading this right, I'd say Justin needs to practice NLTS, datalog the first gear timing drop issue, get a solid 4 puck disc so it'll shift a little faster, get a velocity stack/ram air intake and more seat time.
Justin, does your trans have a double syncro second gear?

 

[1qkfwd]

If I'm reading this right, I'd say Justin needs to practice NLTS, datalog the first gear timing drop issue, get a solid 4 puck disc so it'll shift a little faster, get a velocity stack/ram air intake and more seat time.
Justin, does your trans have a double syncro second gear?

The quickness of the shifting I don't think is the problem. Maybe you can hear it here in the video and be the judge. The 11.11 run here I did shift early in the rpms. The trans is a bone stock 95 fwd trans with just the diff welded. So idk if it's double syncro.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMNWmJgnyKA&feature=youtube_gdata_player]ARFWD's Fwd 1G DSM - YouTube[/ame]

 

[bullettdsm]

The NLTS at this level is hit and miss I think. It's there to keep the turbo recovery there between gears right?? Well I can misshift goin into 4th and still run an 11.3@122. So with the little turbo I don't think there's that big of gain. My spool up isn't much different with a NLTS as a regular shift.

The first to second issue, the car seems to pull timing only through first gear. So when you watch the mph it flattens out. So the car will hang at say 41mph for a few. I really have no choice but to shift. So then the cars lost its momentum the rpms drop to much in second gear. That alone will better my 330' time and help the 1/4. I know the far has more its slowly getting there.

I'm only goin to work on that 60'-1/8 times my next outing. Gonna try and figure out why the first gear timing retard. So I'll be readjusting my SD tables all the way now to richen up the whole range. Plus I'll be logging oil pressure to see if my issue is there.

Let me see how I want to put this: I want you to know that I'm not saying anything negative about what you are doing. You are really tearing it up. I'm not being presumptuous to think that I'm some great race car driver who knows everything. I'm just trying to offer up my 2 cents to give you a little food for thought (as much as you can on a forum situation where all I can see are videos in specific angles only with sound restrictions). I think Phil can back me up on my so called "abilities" and my motivation to help out.

I guess I want to put that in there because we're on the internutz thing and things get misconstrued because inflextion etc, isn't there. Think of us just being at the track shooting the shit in the pits

Are you running MT's for slicks? They generally don't require a huge smokey ass warm up like Hoosiers, but you would do yourself a favor and pop a little more smoke on an e-brake hold in the pit. I mean, low 1.6's is pretty damn sweet. But if you're looking for 1.5's you might want to make those tires stickier.

Yup, with what you posted up, I agree with you on the 1 to 2 shift, extending 1st would not help you.

As for nlts, yes it allows you to keep your spool up (Of course, with this turbo how hard is it to keep spool? ), but it also allows for quicker shifting and allows for keeping rpm's up. I've taught quite a few people how to nlts at this power level (between 110whpish and 400whpish) and every single one of them has gained and were impressed with how it helped them. I have tested it out at the track with my own vehicles (and I'm considered to be a pretty quick shifter) and hands down, nlts is faster. Now if we are talking about higher power levels without an ecu helper of some kind, that's a whole lot more difficult. I had a bit of work trying to make the 1 to 2 (and sometimes the 2 to 3 was tough) work on the 420a turbo with nlts. That was a handful (of course we're talking our cars, not some heavy horsepower rwd Mustang or Goat. Those are actually easier to nlts. But I'm talking 11's speed and power levels with a whole different set-up).

This is simply a little food for thought. I know you'll get tons of input/opinions on you should do this or you should do that. You know the old saying of opinions are like asswhole's; everyone got one (and most stink ). So take it for what it is, just my stinky butthole

As I said before, good luck!

MB

 

[Phil1320]

I see the comparison now. Maybe should've looked further into it.

Maybe with tune and a lighter weight that will al change for you. Having a good 60' and being able to hold that gain a little farther down the track. Jumping to dsmlink will help for sure.

Agreed. I will need to pull < 4.50 to the 330' in order to run < 7.00 1/8....

 

[1qkfwd]

Let me see how I want to put this: I want you to know that I'm not saying anything negative about what you are doing. You are really tearing it up. I'm not being presumptuous to think that I'm some great race car driver who knows everything. I'm just trying to offer up my 2 cents to give you a little food for thought (as much as you can on a forum situation where all I can see are videos in specific angles only with sound restrictions). I think Phil can back me up on my so called "abilities" and my motivation to help out.

I guess I want to put that in there because we're on the internutz thing and things get misconstrued because inflextion etc, isn't there. Think of us just being at the track shooting the shit in the pits

Are you running MT's for slicks? They generally don't require a huge smokey ass warm up like Hoosiers, but you would do yourself a favor and pop a little more smoke on an e-brake hold in the pit. I mean, low 1.6's is pretty damn sweet. But if you're looking for 1.5's you might want to make those tires stickier.

Yup, with what you posted up, I agree with you on the 1 to 2 shift, extending 1st would not help you.

As for nlts, yes it allows you to keep your spool up (Of course, with this turbo how hard is it to keep spool? ), but it also allows for quicker shifting and allows for keeping rpm's up. I've taught quite a few people how to nlts at this power level (between 110whpish and 400whpish) and every single one of them has gained and were impressed with how it helped them. I have tested it out at the track with my own vehicles (and I'm considered to be a pretty quick shifter) and hands down, nlts is faster. Now if we are talking about higher power levels without an ecu helper of some kind, that's a whole lot more difficult. I had a bit of work trying to make the 1 to 2 (and sometimes the 2 to 3 was tough) work on the 420a turbo with nlts. That was a handful (of course we're talking our cars, not some heavy horsepower rwd Mustang or Goat. Those are actually easier to nlts. But I'm talking 11's speed and power levels with a whole different set-up).

This is simply a little food for thought. I know you'll get tons of input/opinions on you should do this or you should do that. You know the old saying of opinions are like asswhole's; everyone got one (and most stink ). So take it for what it is, just my stinky butthole

As I said before, good luck!

MB

You haven't said anything that's struck me wrong. I can be a little thick headed and like to do things the hard way as long as possible. Example I never use power tools or air tools to work on any of my cars. I love my speed wrenches.

The NLTS thing I'm sure I will get my practice in with it. I consider myself a good driver and quick shifter. If someone was to say I'm not or critique my driving I'd work on the key things. I'm open to opinions on this matter with the 14b.

I like seeing the opinions from others with no experience. Here I am in sac waiting in staging and this dsm couple ask me if I flash my ecu. I tell them I have dsmlink and the lady goes "so I did to and had to flash my ecu. That my get you a couple tenths" it took everything in me to not burst out laughing.

I really don't expect that in here though. There's a much higher intelligence in this thread. I like the majority of the guys in here and would love to personally meet you guys at the track one day. I've only got the chance to hang out and chat with Dave w. Great guy to shoot the shit with about these cars and tossing around ideas on setups.

Agreed. I will need to pull < 4.50 to the 330' in order to run < 7.00 1/8....

I've noticed getting good 1/4 times are not to bad to achieve. Trying to hit a sub 7.00 1/8 mile is tough.

 

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My 10.9@124-125 16g passes were only 7.0@97 in the 1/8th. Only once did I ever go 6.x on the 16g but I aborted that pass. I thought a 6.9 or quicker was needed for 10's, but every car will pick up differently.

You got killer 1/8th mph for a 14b man. Judging by your AWD (where the hell has that been anyways?), you can drive.