The 14b Drag Race Discussion Thread

[Diamond Star Werks]

"Im sure if this was smoother it would flow a tad more".

sure have!

 

[Mischif]

Ok, let's start here:

A. Who thinks this should be limited to the T/E/L & GVR4?

B. Who thinks FWD Colt/Mirage, RWD Starquest with 4G63 swap should be eligible?

C. Who thinks Purpose built RWD or FWD drag cars should be?


Or D - All of the above

I vote A and C. Although i don't think the VR-4's should be included. It should be only 1g and 2g T/E/L. If you included the Vr-4 then you would have to include any platform that also shared a dsm engine.

 

[1qkfwd]

I vote A and C. Although i don't think the VR-4's should be included. It should be only 1g and 2g T/E/L. If you included the Vr-4 then you would have to include any platform that also shared a dsm engine.

Now what are your reasonings for not including the GVR4?? It did come with a 14B and a 4g63 engine. It has the biggest disadvantage since its so much heavier.

 

[CrackedDSM]

Now what are your reasonings for not including the GVR4?? It did come with a 14B and a 4g63 engine. It has the biggest disadvantage since its so much heavier.

x2, that and it's basically just a 1G with a 4 door body on it. I personally think only 4G63's should be allowed.

 

[Phil1320]

I'd drop 2G cars out of it before ever thinking to drop the VR4

 

[supravw]

Ok, let's start here:

A. Who thinks this should be limited to the T/E/L & GVR4?

B. Who thinks FWD Colt/Mirage, RWD Starquest with 4G63 swap should be eligible?

C. Who thinks Purpose built RWD or FWD drag cars should be?


Or D - All of the above

D- It's a 14b record car. You'll always have the other people claiming the fastest street 14b, fastest awd 14b, fastest auto 14b, etc. Just leave it up and see what people can do. This is for a record on dsmtuners after all.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

I'm in camp "D" as well..

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

In with d

 

[1qkfwd]

I guess if everyone's gonna vote to leave it an open vehicle choice, then I'm gonna have to work extra hard and try and set the bar very high

 

[pneumo]

Wow this thread is tough to keep up with!
Nate brought up a good point a couple pages ago. I suppose we're at the point where the classic, simple setup is nearly maxed out, and the next step to move the platform forward is to encourage more radical experimentation.

Justin, which clutch are you using?
Have you thought about putting a 3" Blox velocity stack on the inlet?

 

[1qkfwd]

Wow this thread is tough to keep up with!
Nate brought up a good point a couple pages ago. I suppose we're at the point where the classic, simple setup is nearly maxed out, and the next step to move the platform forward is to encourage more radical experimentation.

Justin, which clutch are you using?
Have you thought about putting a 3" Blox velocity stack on the inlet?

I'm using what we know as an act2600 with a solid 6-puck. Also I planned on making the headlight itself into an air box. I got it cut out but didn't have enough time to finish. Hence the duct tape covering the hole.

 

[SBstar]

Well it appears at the end of the day, we're just going to have to let anyone try anything. But in my book there will still be an asterisk next to some things. That's ok though, we're all entitled to our own opinions.

So moving on, since Dave brought up clutches. I'm in the process of getting a new disc at least, was trying to make a decision between six or four puck unsprung. Any reasons why someone likes one over the other?

 

[Steve93Talon]

So moving on, since Dave brought up clutches. I'm in the process of getting a new disc at least, was trying to make a decision between six or four puck unsprung. Any reasons why someone likes one over the other?

I've got a 2600 with a 4 puck unsprung, love it. Streetability is the same as a 6 puck to me and it shifts very fast.

 

[1qkfwd]

Well it appears at the end of the day, we're just going to have to let anyone try anything. But in my book there will still be an asterisk next to some things. That's ok though, we're all entitled to our own opinions.

And whatever gets ran that's completely outside the box, will catch extra flack from me. Just means we have to get ahead of the game to.

 

[Phil1320]

My vote was A.

DSM's

No full on race efforts with back pedalers tossing 14b's on in attempts to 'steal' the show trying to diminish the efforts of those who have a core interest in 14b performance.

Figured I'd wait for all to get in on it first.....

I swear there's a few more guys around that would want word in on this...

 

[1SloEvo]

I would agree with you Phil. Original 14b car from the factory. Tube work is ok, but not a full tube chassis with a DSM body. Personally, as long as the car rests on the factory "frame" I think I would be ok with it...this meaning forward of the fire wall and aft of the rear suspension can be changed...otherwise it's overboard and out of the discussion. Motor wise, I say anything is fine the 4g family. Turbo must maintain the factory compressor/turbine wheels and cartridge. Port the compressor housing all you want and upgrade the turbine housing if you want, but the wheels must remain.

 

[Phil1320]

Well it appears at the end of the day, we're just going to have to let anyone try anything. But in my book there will still be an asterisk next to some things. That's ok though, we're all entitled to our own opinions.

For sure.

You know what though, noone has.

I'm sure there are some with ideas in their heads.

But, there's also this:

What if they come out and can't even match the current quick cars?

That's a possibility. One that wouldn't be to fun for them.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

For sure.

You know what though, noone has.

I'm sure there are some with ideas in their heads.

But, there's also this:

What if they come out and can't even match the current quick cars?

That's a possibility. One that wouldn't be to fun for them.

Precisely. The bar has been set quite high.

 

[Phil1320]

And whatever gets ran that's completely outside the box, will catch extra flack from me. Just means we have to get ahead of the game to.

But, not from me

I would agree with you Phil. Original 14b car from the factory. Tube work is ok, but not a full tube chassis with a DSM body. Personally, as long as the car rests on the factory "frame" I think I would be ok with it...this meaning forward of the fire wall and aft of the rear suspension can be changed...otherwise it's overboard and out of the discussion. Motor wise, I say anything is fine the 4g family. Turbo must maintain the factory compressor/turbine wheels and cartridge. Port the compressor housing all you want and upgrade the turbine housing if you want, but the wheels must remain.

The only thing I see that I wouldn't be on board with is tube work off the firewall. Forward of the shock towers, ok, but off the firewall is the same as a back-halved RWD. That's major work.

Precisely. The bar has been set quite high.

For sure.

 

[Auto RS T]

Some thoughts...

If it is an existing record, doesn't that mean the rules are basically already set?

To me, the specific drag records the majority of you guys are after are the: "Unibody 1g DSM 14b Record", or "Unibody 2g DSM 14b Record", or "Unibody DSM 14b Record". Mainly the "Overall 14b DSM Unibody" record.

Basic Breakdown

A Factory Appearing 14b in a Factory Appearing Unibody DSM using Factory Appearing Drivetrain Configuration, with NO other Power Adders, Factory Appearing Head/Block

Turbo-

-Wheel to Wheel Factory Spec, Clipping ok, Stock Appearing Compressor Housing and DSM Bolt on Turbine Housing

-Forward Facing, ok

Chassis-

-DSM with Factory Drivetrain Configuration and Suspension Mounting Points, RWD w/ Factory Appearing DSM Trans and T-Case ok. FWD w/AWD Trans ok. Rear End swap ok, permitting Subframe bolts into chassis at factory locations using Factory Appearing Trans/T-Case

-Modification to Chassis in Front of Front Suspension and Rear of Rear Suspension Mounting ok, as long as Factory Appearing body Panels are attached

-Tube Suspension Components ok, permitting they retain Factory Mounting Locations to the Chassis

Engine-

-Any Block/Head from Any DSM that retains Factory Appearance

-No additional/other Power Adders

Fuel-

-Any with above rules

IMO if you can beat Joe B.'s record following these rules it should be considered valid. I guess to sum it up (for a poor example) You could bolt a 14b on a Viper and run faster than Joe, its not the same record... This is a " 14b DSM Unibody No Power Adder Record" Anyone with me?

 

[1qkfwd]

Precisely. The bar has been set quite high.

Not yet it hasn't

 

[1qkfwd]

But, not from me

Well thats a given.

 

[1qkfwd]

Some thoughts...

If it is an existing record, doesn't that mean the rules are basically already set?

To me, the specific drag records the majority of you guys are after are the: "Unibody 1g DSM 14b Record", or "Unibody 2g DSM 14b Record", or "Unibody DSM 14b Record". Mainly the "Overall 14b DSM Unibody" record.

Basic Breakdown

A Factory Appearing 14b in a Factory Appearing Unibody DSM using Factory Appearing Drivetrain Configuration, with NO other Power Adders, Factory Appearing Head/Block

Turbo-

-Wheel to Wheel Factory Spec, Clipping ok, Stock Appearing Compressor Housing and DSM Bolt on Turbine Housing

-Forward Facing, ok

Chassis-

-DSM with Factory Drivetrain Configuration and Suspension Mounting Points, RWD w/ Factory Appearing DSM Trans and T-Case ok. FWD w/AWD Trans ok. Rear End swap ok, permitting Subframe bolts into chassis at factory locations using Factory Appearing Trans/T-Case

-Modification to Chassis in Front of Front Suspension and Rear of Rear Suspension Mounting ok, as long as Factory Appearing body Panels are attached

-Tube Suspension Components ok, permitting they retain Factory Mounting Locations to the Chassis

Engine-

-Any Block/Head from Any DSM that retains Factory Appearance

-No additional/other Power Adders

Fuel-

-Any with above rules

IMO if you can beat Joe B.'s record following these rules it should be considered valid. I guess to sum it up (for a poor example) You could bolt a 14b on a Viper and run faster than Joe, its not the same record... This is a " 14b DSM Unibody No Power Adder Record" Anyone with me?

See this I can agree with to. Have you ever felt how heavy the fwd rear axle weighs. Its like the weight of the car.

 

[SBstar]

Yeah, I can totally agree with that!

 

[Phil1320]

Yep, that looks pretty spot on Auto RS T. Car looks sick in your avatar too...

Not yet it hasn't

Honestly, though, it has. That 10.87 is a crazy number, even though you are ''close.''

You've had three days of racing. Even though that's not too many, I believe you thought you'd have taken the record by now.

So, am I right or wrong?