The 14b Drag Race Discussion Thread

[1qkfwd]

Ya true. Problem is, us that has ran or followed along with this thread for awhile know what's good and what's not. I think people need to read all the pages on this thread first.

 

[Phil1320]

Hard to say about the stroker stuff......all in favor of 2.0 ?

Ya true. Problem is, us that has ran or followed along with this thread for awhile know what's good and what's not. I think people need to read all the pages on this thread first.

Definitely, can't argue with that...

 

[Steve93Talon]

This record pertains to utilizing a "SINGLE" Mitusbishi 14b turbo
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Nitrous - The use of nitrous puts you in the W/Nitrous category

IMO, nitrous is an additional power adder, which is absolutely no different than a 2nd 14b, or compounding a 14b with a 35r. I don't see the point in there being a "w/nitrous" sub-category, as it completely takes away from the spirit of the record - which is to extract the potential out of the airflow a 14b is capable of.

Hard to say about the stroker stuff......all in favor of 2.0 ?

I don't see a problem with increased displacement. You're still going to be limited by the compressor flow. Also, once you start splitting hairs there, you get into the territory of compression ratio and other engine factors.

Phil, I think you mentioned that you can't edit the first post of the thread. it would certainly be worth a try to contract a mod to see if they can edit it for you and add a basic list of rules.

 

[1qkfwd]

I did and learned a lot from it.

So is this something that needs to be official?? We need a "14B reord" set of rules?

 

[1qkfwd]

IMO, nitrous is an additional power adder, which is absolutely no different than a 2nd 14b, or compounding a 14b with a 35r. I don't see the point in there being a "w/nitrous" sub-category, as it completely takes away from the spirit of the record - which is to extract the potential out of the airflow a 14b is capable of.

But there still is a 14b w/nos record that still stands at a 10.6. But differen than the one we chase.

 

[SBstar]

I did and learned a lot from it.

So is this something that needs to be official?? We need a "14B reord" set of rules?

That's why I first said it as a joke. Doesn't seem like we should need "official rules" but with all the crazy notions thrown out there we have tried discussing what is allowable. Might as well just make it official.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

Well if other people are being encouraged to try and we want to avoid hand-wringing might want to have some set guidelines.. this is where a real exciting form of racing is started. In my opinion at least.

 

[1qkfwd]

Ok wasn't sure. I think we need guidelines to. And I agree, it does make for exciting racing.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

Well if other people are being encouraged to try and we want to avoid hand-wringing might want to have some set guidelines.. this is where a real exciting form of racing is started. In my opinion at least.

This is my thoughts. As I think rules are what makes competition. Which was more of my point if arguing. As with rules there would be no arguments only good competition.

I think strokers should be allowed because you can make one from the 64 from spyders which is a factory engine. So a stroker is still factory parts combined

 

[Phil1320]

But there still is a 14b w/nos record that still stands at a 10.6. But differen than the one we chase.

While this is true, I think you have a chance to beat the 10.61 WITHOUT NOS and make that record more insignificant than it already is......

 

[1qkfwd]

While this is true, I think you have a chance to beat the 10.61 WITHOUT NOS and make that record more insignificant than it already is......

That was the plan. Thus the reasoning for making the car so light.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

While this is true, I think you have a chance to beat the 10.61 WITHOUT NOS and make that record more insignificant than it already is......

I would be floored if he can pick up another 4 tenths on motor, even with the AWD trans and both car and driver on a crash diet.

Are you thinking a low 1.5x short time is all that would be needed with his backhalf performance from the 126 trap run?

 

[1qkfwd]

I would be floored if he can pick up another 4 tenths on motor, even with the AWD trans and both car and driver on a crash diet.

Are you thinking a low 1.5x short time is all that would be needed with his backhalf performance from the 126 trap run?

Expect my mph to drop when I go with the awd trans. The ET should to. Im pretty sure I have Joe covered already when he ran the fwd trans. Its unclear as to when he switched over to the awd one to get it for sure.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

Good point.. are you going to a 235/60/15 too? what width wheel? Or is that all in the works still?

 

[DJ23GSX]

Hard to say about the stroker stuff......all in favor of 2.0 ?

I'm all for 2.0's considering no dsm came with a 14b powered 2.4. There are so many ways you could dissect this record. I say keep it simple. This of course is just my $.02

 

[1qkfwd]

Good point.. are you going to a 235/60/15 too? what width wheel? Or is that all in the works still?

Ive got 26X8X15 m/t just sitting here. Ill use the 15X9" wheel that im on now for the bigger slicks. Joys of owning a tire shop.

 

[1qkfwd]

I'm all for 2.0's considering no dsm came with a 14b powered 2.4. There are so many ways you could dissect this record. I say keep it simple. This of course is just my $.02

I personally dont think it will be any sort of advantage with running the stock turbo.

 

[Phil1320]

IMO, nitrous is an additional power adder, which is absolutely no different than a 2nd 14b, or compounding a 14b with a 35r. I don't see the point in there being a "w/nitrous" sub-category, as it completely takes away from the spirit of the record - which is to extract the potential out of the airflow a 14b is capable of.



I don't see a problem with increased displacement. You're still going to be limited by the compressor flow. Also, once you start splitting hairs there, you get into the territory of compression ratio and other engine factors.

Phil, I think you mentioned that you can't edit the first post of the thread. it would certainly be worth a try to contract a mod to see if they can edit it for you and add a basic list of rules.

If we can nail it all down with a majority, I could do that...

That was the plan. Thus the reasoning for making the car so light.

I'm inside your mind Justin...

I would be floored if he can pick up another 4 tenths on motor, even with the AWD trans and both car and driver on a crash diet.

Are you thinking a low 1.5x short time is all that would be needed with his backhalf performance from the 126 trap run?

It is not out of the realm of possibility....

I'm all for 2.0's considering no dsm came with a 14b powered 2.4. There are so many ways you could dissect this record. I say keep it simple. This of course is just my $.02

I would agree...

I personally dont think it will be any sort of advantage with running the stock turbo.

I also agree with this...

 

[Steve93Talon]

Phil, you really need to use the multi-quote button

 

[1qkfwd]

I'm inside your mind Justin...

Now thats creepy.

Is that a Total Recall reference??

 

[1qkfwd]

Phil, you really need to use the multi-quote button

I never knew about this function.

 

[Phil1320]

Phil, you really need to use the multi-quote button

Don't know nuttin bout dat...

Now thats creepy.

Is that a Total Recall reference??

Could be, didn't make that reference though...

 

[pneumo]

I'd like to add a rule that says something like, ' run what you got'. Not everyone has a stock dsm to play with, so if you bought a modded dsm and want to race it with a 14b, go ahead.
Most of the radical mods discussed lately are not proven to be an advantage. I wonder if the trans and rear end from a Mighty Max is strong enough? I'd hate to be the one who spends all the time and money to build a RWD DSM with MM parts and break it at 14b power levels.

also,
"Another thing I thought of was if we need to specify factory 4g63 block and head, which technically stuffs Dave out of the argument since he used a 1.6 head."
The 1.6 head didn't last, so I don't recommend it. The 1.6 head is weaker since it's a small non-turbo head. When I torqued the head studs to 85 Ft-Lbs it started crushing the head. The studs lost torque and it started pushing coolant. So if anyone wants a small bump in compression I'd just get the stock head resurfaced. Lately you can get high comp pistons off the shelf, so there's easier ways to get more compression.

 

[1qkfwd]

Dave I know there are some rwd Mitsu stuff that is strong enough. I have the trans sitting in my garage. A local guy built a rwd colt that made more than enough power and hooked very well. So the stuff is out there.

 

[SBstar]

I'd like to add a rule that says something like, ' run what you got'. Not everyone has a stock dsm to play with, so if you bought a modded dsm and want to race it with a 14b, go ahead.
Most of the radical mods discussed lately are not proven to be an advantage. I wonder if the trans and rear end from a Mighty Max is strong enough? I'd hate to be the one who spends all the time and money to build a RWD DSM with MM parts and break it at 14b power levels.

also,
"Another thing I thought of was if we need to specify factory 4g63 block and head, which technically stuffs Dave out of the argument since he used a 1.6 head."
The 1.6 head didn't last, so I don't recommend it. The 1.6 head is weaker since it's a small non-turbo head. When I torqued the head studs to 85 Ft-Lbs it started crushing the head. The studs lost torque and it started pushing coolant. So if anyone wants a small bump in compression I'd just get the stock head resurfaced. Lately you can get high comp pistons off the shelf, so there's easier ways to get more compression.

Hope you didn't take that wrong Dave, I was using you as an example as to why my thought process of saying (stock 4g63 motor as from the factory) didn't necessarily make sense. I don't think the 1.6 head was a real advantage and I wouldn't consider your setup outside of the "record" books.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the "run what you brung" modded dsm statement though. Obviously the normal modifications are already considered ok, provided you slap on a 14b. But, things like the rwd stuff aren't normal and seperate you from the discussion. Perhaps you mean things like the stroker motors?

I still don't like changing the block to the 2.4, and it's not because I think it's an advantage, in fact I don't really think it is at all. To me the 4G63 has to be the engine utilized, which has more to do with the block then the head as there really aren't any heads available that create a real advantage.

So, we agree fwd or awd using only available T/E/L or GVR4 drivetrain configuration components.

Also we haven't discussed fuel. I think standard racing fuels should be allowable, ie. methanol, ethanol, C16, VP Import, whatever. But things like those "super fuels" and/or "nitromethane" should be left out.