T3 frame HX52 breaks 600awhp

[c2ypt1c]

guess I could say I expected a bit more (more power given the size and spool, or just a quicker spool)

Same here, I expected higher numbers from the 52.That said, you guys ARE at the mercy of your injectors, not to mention pump gas...throw some 2150's and e85 on it and let her loose

 

[airmail96]

Same here, I expected higher numbers from the 52.That said, you guys ARE at the mercy of your injectors, not to mention pump gas...throw some 2150's and e85 on it and let her loose

Makes me think of one of those titan movies where they are like RELEASE THE KRAKEN.

 

[Boostdriven]

Same here, I expected higher numbers from the 52.That said, you guys ARE at the mercy of your injectors, not to mention pump gas...throw some 2150's and e85 on it and let her loose

There isn't much you can do to get that HX52 to spool much faster with out sacrificing the top end performance. That bep .70 housing is the smallest housing I would go with on that turbo. Our cars are daily drivers not track machines, if I was building a track car it would be a 1g auto with a compound turbo set up and not a 2g with 20 pound dvd player in it

 

[habitatguy187]

boostdriven lays down 660awhp WITH NO OIL CATCH CAN, and there wasnt a DROP of oil left on the dyno-rollers, we made it a point to look... then we laughed!

I've never ran one either, but I did add another breather tube, and I ran one of them directly to the intake pre-turbo. As long as your compression isn't terrible and the lines are big enough oil isn't going to get pushed up through the baffle. This whole catch-can craze the past few years is funny imo.

 

[dsmcurse]

I'm here- guess I could say I expected a bit more (more power given the size and spool, or just a quicker spool) considering the HY35 has made 560whp on pump gas a 604whp on E85 while spooling about 1000 rpms quicker.

I mean 600+hp is nothing to scoff at regardless of what turbo's doing it, but you may as well go with something that requires less machining and custom fabrication while spooling much quicker.

look at it like this, those turbo's were pushed to the gill's to produce that, like being pushed to the almost max edge, this turbo produced good results and it was bearly streaching its arms and legs gettin outa bed in the morning.

not to mention on a 300-dollar budget, and the turbo system is still a bolt on affair to go hx35, hx40, or big papa big-dawg hx52 with little effort to swap snails

 

[Boostdriven]

Got a graph of the HX52 with HP/TQ vs. RPM?

No, the way they have the dyno graph set is off time, next time we go there I'll have them get rpms from #1 cylinder instead of the rollers, it will be more accurate and hopefully he can get the rpm graph instead of time.

 

[dsmcurse]

Alex, next time you should just tune for 116 octane and surpass 750 wheel horse... i guess 660 awhp daily driver reliable everyday gettin 25mpg's on pump aint enough to wow the croud, go big and show 'em what a dailydriver can really do.

In all honesty, im honored to be part of the 600hp club and at this point I have no desire to aim for higher numbers. I know my 621awhp could easily be pushed to 650 but im happy.

oh, and we got that ten pound nitrous bottle still just layin around if one of us wants to get wild....

 

[Boostdriven]

Alex, next time you should just tune for 116 octane and surpass 750 wheel horse... i guess 660 awhp daily driver reliable everyday gettin 25mpg's on pump aint enough to wow the croud, go big and show 'em what a dailydriver can really do.

Tristen I think I figured it out, you have to run a 16g or a 20g and make 350-400 HP to impress the crowd, you better dig up that 8 year old 16g and we should start a new project

I don't think it helps that you guys have a tendency to rub people the wrong way. These last two "cheeky" posts serve to bolster that impression.

You know why it is that way, because we go against the crowd. People say catch can and I say its a waste of money, people say restrict an oil feed to a holset and I say I've been running it for years unrestricted and have yet to kill a turbo. Some of the things I say contradict an opinion of few well known people on here so does that make me wrong? no it doesn't, but it separates me from the crowd. I don't share things on here to get a pat on the back, I share them because I was ones a guy who didn't know much and was just a beginner. My first DSM was a 92 tsi awd, that was back in 99, I can only wish there was some much information then as there is now, it would have saved me a lot of headaches along the way, but that's how you learn. There is an old saying "restless legs are the ones that carry a stupid head" and believe me I've spend plenty of restless nights turning wrenches because of my stupid head but I've learned.

I give props to the guy who builds an ugly ass exhaust manifold or intercooler piping because he does it himself. Guess what, his next one will be better then first one. That's the guy who never stops, his next piece is always better the the last one. I know people that own some bad ass machines but they don't know how to change the oil. Where is the pride in owning a 650 HP car if you had someone build it for you? Just another loud mouth with deep pockets and I've met a few of them.

You want to know what rubs me the wrong way, I'll tell you. It's the people who argue with me and when it turns out that I'm right they don't have the dignity to admit that they were wrong. I'm not looking to get props for what I do because what I do I do for me and what I do for others is just another learning experience for me, people go to college for that shit I look at some of the wiseman we have here and it makes me wonder, is it none other then a number of post that got them that status we all have an opinion of one things or another and sometimes that opinion becomes a fact in the mind and blocks the ability to learn something new or different, you can call it pride. You want to learn something you first have to learn how to listen and then be able to separate an opinion from a fact. Yes this is off topic but if you read it carefully you might learn something

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

So you take no culpability for the effect you may have on the equation.. it has to always be the other guy?

Also, you keep harping on the catch cans like its some frivolous silly thing. Perhaps you need to learn more about crank-case evacuation.

Now before you go on some tangent and throw me in that mix consider that in your other thread I declared your work a success.

This^ in spite of the fact that you guys are running nearly 40psi boost on a 67mm compressor and making nearly 150awhp less than many others at that PR while spooling negligibly faster than the stock housing... because I can recognize that you have a different purpose for your cars than the other people who tend to run a 52-sized turbo.. like myself.

Sometimes there are things YOU can learn too. Learning is a continual process, or at least it should be.

Being different for the sake of being different is what angsty teenagers do.

Being different to experiment is a whole different proposition and there are many who do the same. Try not to write them off in your rant.

Also remember, not every experiment is going to be a success, indeed many will prove your hypotheses as false or in need of revision. Understanding and appreciating the failures is key to improving, not simply declaring them all victories and moving on to the next idea.

I can respect that you actually get after it, fabricate and run your projects unlike so many keyboard warriors, but to attack the wisemen here is silly.

In many cases there are more than one approach that will work and because one of them may disagree with you.. doesn't necessarily make them wrong.

 

[ceedawg]

Alex and Tristen forget the critics! Post on. There were those who felt you guys were wating your time. I feel you guys have given us some good stuff here. You cant beat making a 300.00 turbo do the things that a 1k dollar turbo does and save 100's of dollars in bread. Keep up the good work. Dont see it as arrogance or cockiness at all. I would have saved alot of money!


Good stuff here fellow DSMers lets lighten up a bit!

Tristen I think I figured it out, you have to run a 16g or a 20g and make 350-400 HP to impress the crowd, you better dig up that 8 year old 16g and we should start a new project



You know why it is that way, because we go against the crowd. People say catch can and I say its a waste of money, people say restrict an oil feed to a holset and I say I've been running it for years unrestricted and have yet to kill a turbo. Some of the things I say contradict an opinion of few well known people on here so does that make me wrong? no it doesn't, but it separates me from the crowd. I don't share things on here to get a pat on the back, I share them because I was ones a guy who didn't know much and was just a beginner. My first DSM was a 92 tsi awd, that was back in 99, I can only wish there was some much information then as there is now, it would have saved me a lot of headaches along the way, but that's how you learn. There is an old saying "restless legs are the ones that carry a stupid head" and believe me I've spend plenty of restless nights turning wrenches because of my stupid head but I've learned.

I give props to the guy who builds an ugly ass exhaust manifold or intercooler piping because he does it himself. Guess what, his next one will be better then first one. That's the guy who never stops, his next piece is always better the the last one. I know people that own some bad ass machines but they don't know how to change the oil. Where is the pride in owning a 650 HP car if you had someone build it for you? Just another loud mouth with deep pockets and I've met a few of them.

You want to know what rubs me the wrong way, I'll tell you. It's the people who argue with me and when it turns out that I'm right they don't have the dignity to admit that they were wrong. I'm not looking to get props for what I do because what I do I do for me and what I do for others is just another learning experience for me, people go to college for that shit I look at some of the wiseman we have here and it makes me wonder, is it none other then a number of post that got them that status we all have an opinion of one things or another and sometimes that opinion becomes a fact in the mind and blocks the ability to learn something new or different, you can call it pride. You want to learn something you first have to learn how to listen and then be able to separate an opinion from a fact. Yes this is off topic but if you read it carefully you might learn something

I wonder what the hx52 would be like with a t3 ts housing and a proper18cm2 Turbine housing, t3 ts mani with dual wastegates.

 

[LandSpeed-DSM]

Alex and Tristen forget the critics! Post on. There were those who felt you guys were wating your time. I feel you guys have given us some good stuff here. You cant beat making a 300.00 turbo do the things that a 1k dollar turbo does and save 100's of dollars in bread. Keep up the good work. Dont see it as arrogance or cockiness at all. I would have saved alot of money!


Good stuff here fellow DSMers lets lighten up a bit!I wonder what the hx52 would be like with a t3 ts housing and a proper18cm2 t3 ts mani with dual wastegates.

Ignoring any and all criticism is a bad idea. No one has a monopoly on good ideas. This recent "haters gonna hate" attitude is insular and childish.

Also what is a "proper 18cm2" t3 twinscroll manifold?

"XX cm2" is a measure of nozzle area, and that measurement is taken in the turbine scroll casing, not the manifold.

 

[airmail96]

I would be glad to test that for them haha

 

[dsmcurse]

(....tumble weed blows by....)

kinda empty in here...

ya, we shoulda made 300hp on a 16g and had pictures of shiny catch cans in our engine bay's, that woulda really got the mass veiwers to tune in huh

Like Alex said, we dont do it for the pat on the back, sharing information and letting others know what works and what doesnt work is the name of the game. I woulda posted my results no matter what, even if the T3 frame hx52 was a complete failure i woulda shared ll the information. Theres no shame in my game. As far as a "teenage attitude" goe's, were 30years old, so...

Ive seen others on here talk the talk but when it comes time to put up or shut up, its usually shut-up

Perfect example, Alex sends a FREE e-map kit to a member on here that just bought the "oh-so-mighty" FP BLACK. Alex's only request to the free emap kit was he wanted the boost vs's backpressure results posted on the forum of the new turbo. THIS WAS 2 MONTHS AGO. Homeboy saw and relized that at 30pounds of boost he saw probably 33 psi backpressure. Then relized Alex was right the whole time and NO BODY LIKES TO EAT CROW

Look at my rep status for crying out loud. bad check because of a debate with a wiseman. Like Alex said "how many post's on the internet does it take to get that rank?"

I respect the members on here and im never talkin down to 'em or talkin S on someones project. I was young once to, i once lacked the proper experience. Im a mechanic of ten years experience, have worked automotive, diesel and marine, and i still openly addmit im a beginner on a learning curve.

 

[white92talontsi]

621 on the Mustang dyno is equivelent of around 780whp on a Dynojet.

We tuned a 3586 Evo on E-85 and it only made 553 on our Mustang AWD-150. On a Linx 424 Dyno Jet the same car and the same tune and same boost made 630 whp.

I Do agree the number's are a little low with the size turbo used, I would bet the smaller A/R hotside is the limiting factor.

Got any Logs of the 621whp pull? What was Peak timing and timing out the top?

 

[ceedawg]

Ignoring any and all criticism is a bad idea. No one has a monopoly on good ideas. This recent "haters gonna hate" attitude is insular and childish.

Also what is a "proper 18cm2" t3 twinscroll manifold?

"XX cm2" is a measure of nozzle area, and that measurement is taken in the turbine scroll casing, not the manifold.

Sorry man that was a typo and I will fix it. It should say turbine housing behind the t3 18cm2. Just a typo sorry!

Im not telling them to ignore anyone as much as I am saying dont get discouraged if people criticize. The criticism in my opinion has been constructive but its criticism non the less. I dont really see it as putting folks down here or anything like that, I see that Alex and Tristen are trying different things,coming up with some interesting results and spreading the love to everyone.

The wiseman comment are we saying that these guys are not entitled to their opinions? They have some good wise men on here and some that make you scratch your head, fact! I see nothing harmful here with experience being shared. No one on here should think they have all the answers unless they have tried something and tested it and can post results. These guys are doing just that!



Ps I fixed the 18cm2 turbine housing comment! Just a typo thanks for catching that!

 

[nfernotalon]

I would love to see at least 40psi out of one of these I bet itll put down awesome numbers.

 

[TJCTalon]

Im not hating and you guys are making some real power but if you say your not posting this to get a pat on the back then why start 3 seperate threads all on the same thing?

 

[945liter]

I hate the Conversions " it SHOULD make this on a DJ" if you wanna know what it makes on a dynojet put it on a dynojet.

I guess its good results, but i couldn't really judge / give input on the setup until its on e85 and a DJ i guess. Im sure that T3 housing is choking it and you do claim that you're not a balls to the wall racer, IMO i would've just picked up an hx40 for the 600ish-700hp you were after and called it a day then.

The only reason i say it seems to be choked, i have an "expensive" turbo and i made 750awhp on 35psi with a T3 62mm and over 780awhp on 41psi.

 

[boost97gst]

All i have to say is DAMN, im impressed with boostdriven. And curse, you have a 621whp car , i mean, that says it all. There should be nothing but positive attitude thrown towards you guys. I applaud the work you did. I read a bit about it in the other thread. Keep it up guys. Congrats on both your cars, im jealous .

 

[Boostdriven]

I think the limiting factor in our case was the pump gas. The housing becomes a restriction after a certain point when the drive pressure exceeds boost pressure. At 37 psi of boost my drive pressure was right at 30 psi. Tristens car at 36-37 psi of boost had about 31 psi of drive pressure so I don't see a housing being a problem in our case.

I don't see many 2.0L pumping out 600+ whp on pump gas. In my last post on my dyno thead I asked a question what I could have done to make more then 660 on pump gas and it has yet to be answered. I was hoping there was someone who made 700 HP out of a 2.0L on pump gas and can school me on what I'm doing wrong

Most people will run race gas or e85 but that's a whole different ball game. Pump gas has its limitations, it burns faster then race gas so once the explosion happens that's all you get where with race gas you get a slower burn and more pressure. I could have turned up the boost to 40 psi but on the 3rd pull I noticed my wastegate wasn't holding so I didn't see a point in doing it. Car would have made more torque at lower rpms but as boost would have fell off at the top end I would have made the same power. I need to put a heavier spring in my wastegate before I can crank up the boost

To answer a question why 3 threads. The first one was a housing build, the other two were dyno results, they are in two different sections of this site. I did a thread when I build my 19cm HX40 housing and in the last post I said I would start a new dyno results thread, is there a problem with that? Isn't it just more information making easier to search for those who are looking? Or maybe we should just cram everything in one big thread and talk about everything from the bumper to a shift knob so when a guy does a search he has to read through 30 pages of info just to get to what he is looking for.

Alex and Tristen forget the critics! Post on. There were those who felt you guys were wating your time. I feel you guys have given us some good stuff here. You cant beat making a 300.00 turbo do the things that a 1k dollar turbo does and save 100's of dollars in bread. Keep up the good work. Dont see it as arrogance or cockiness at all. I would have saved alot of money!

Good stuff here fellow DSMers lets lighten up a bit!

I wonder what the hx52 would be like with a t3 ts housing and a proper18cm2 Turbine housing, t3 ts mani with dual wastegates.

I wanted to use the t3 18cm housing originally but I cut it in half I was going to remove the center divider and fab up a switch blade to fit inside and then weld it back together. I decided to build a quick spool valve instead since it was an easier option at the time, but who knows maybe one day I'll make that happen as well, I still have that housing sitting on my shelf.

 

[945liter]

Fix the wastegate issue and go back on the dyno, preferably a Dynojet. I just like DJs better since it tells you what it is, unlike the MD which is very easy to "modify" and manipulate #s.

You can't skew DJ #s unless you decide to put a heat gun to the sensors which would just be... well plain g*y.

In the end of the day Dynos #s are just #s the best thing is to back it up at the track, even if the ET isn't good the MPH will tell all.

Also i keep seeing Pump gas thrown around, is this Straight 93oct or you hitting it with Meth as well?

 

[Boostdriven]

It's 92 octane with water/meth a 50/50 mix, I wish I could run straight 92 with out water/meth at 37 psi but I think I would have to set my timing in the negative degrees I'll get the wastegate spring fixed and next time I'm on the dyno I'll run some 110 octane which I can get here at a local gas station.

I'm thinking of possibly going to the track this year but my car is one heavy pig, I didn't do any weight reduction on it, it probably weighs more then it did from the factory I'll probably get kicked out after a first pass because I will not meet the safety requirements.

Maybe someone should merge my dyno thread with this one, I keep answering all the questions for me in this thread

 

[dsmcurse]

All i have to say is DAMN, im impressed with boostdriven. And curse, you have a 621whp car , i mean, that says it all. There should be nothing but positive attitude thrown towards you guys. I applaud the work you did. I read a bit about it in the other thread. Keep it up guys. Congrats on both your cars, im jealous .

its all love brother, thanks, and the experience comes with time. alex and I dont claim to know it all, but we didnt get to this point by being clueless. were MORE than happy to share secret recipes and how things work. If any of you guys on here have any questions, need an opinion, or just wanna run some idea's past a guy that MIGHT of already been there and done that, then Alex and I would be more than happy to lend a helping hand.

We all got private in-boxes on here for a reason

Fix the wastegate issue and go back on the dyno, preferably a Dynojet. I just like DJs better since it tells you what it is, unlike the MD which is very easy to "modify" and manipulate #s.

You can't skew DJ #s unless you decide to put a heat gun to the sensors which would just be... well plain g*y.

In the end of the day Dynos #s are just #s the best thing is to back it up at the track, even if the ET isn't good the MPH will tell all.

Also i keep seeing Pump gas thrown around, is this Straight 93oct or you hitting it with Meth as well?

If you read my very first post on this thread the VERY first thing i said was "there was an official mustang dyno rep there teaching proper calibration technuiqes"

this mustang dyno rep was legit, im talkin "over night parts from japan" status. smarter than hell. he explained it all and how it works and why dyno jet is inferior to the mustang, BUT, it wasnt a sales pitch, he also explained to us about a GERMAN made dyno thats even better than a mustang. he was very humble about it.

the weight of the car on the dyno, the tighness of the straps, weather corection factor, all this jive. he explained about whimpy "hub horse power" where the tires are removed and the machines are bolted up to the lugs and theres no vehicle weight sittin on it and its basically "cheating"

did any one check out the link? what do you guys think about seeing ultra expensive cars and GTR's and what not, then seein a lil '95 eclipse holdin it down with the big-dawgs!

I feel honored to be on the page. Mustang Dyno rep felt as if it was worthy enough to go on the site thats veiwed in over 60 countries world wide.

DSM, about the only car out there thats truly gettin faster with age...

 

[Archer Fabrications]

You must be logged in to view this image or video.

You must be logged in to view this image or video.

Do i dare try this?! Lol

 

[PieEyedPiper]

If your spool is already as late as you say then go for it!