Supercharging a dsm?

[dinosaur4]

Sup guys I was wondering if you could simple take the stock supercharger out of a Buick Regal GS and simple slap it onto a 1g mitsubishi 1.8l or 2.0l engine either of them that were N/A. And if it was possible if the stock internals of the cars could handle the increase in hp. Thanks guys.

 

[minimoose]

stock 4g63 internals are strong they can handle the boost but as far as doing the supercharger i havent the slightest.

 

[RogueTalonTSI]

I wouldn't suggest using an na motor because of the higher compression. To just 'slap' a super charger from a regal isn't going to happen without a lot of custom work even if it was possible. Your best chance would be a centrifigal sc and custom brackets. I wouldn't suggest using a stock crank damper because of the increased load on it may cause it to seperate. I have often thought of doing this same thing to be different but if it was me I would mount the charger on the passenger side of the motor with a jack shaft crossing over to the timing side.

 

[faudin]

well if you where going to go along with all the work of mounting a supercharger i would also set it up so it runs lets say up to 3500 until the turbo spools and takes over thats the perfect setup. but i have never seen it done to a dsm. i have seen it set up in a few mr2's but best of luck to yea.

 

[95talongirl]

The problem with a supercharger is that it takes engine power to run one. This is why they work better on larger displacement engines, which inherently have more power in n/a form. Turbos are "free" power, since it uses the engine's exhaust to spool. The downside is that there is some lag associated with it.

Long story short; you'd be much happier in the long run going with a turbocharger on a smaller engine. Especially since you are talking a bunch of fab work.

 

[XiKeiyaZI]

Sup guys I was wondering if you could simple take the stock supercharger out of a Buick Regal GS and simple slap it onto a 1g mitsubishi 1.8l or 2.0l engine either of them that were N/A. And if it was possible if the stock internals of the cars could handle the increase in hp. Thanks guys.

stock 4g63 internals are strong they can handle the boost but as far as doing the supercharger i havent the slightest.

Let's start with a very simple list of issues here.

1 : The 1.8 is a gas-saving crap box. Economy? Yes. Power? No.

2 : The N/T 2.0 would be ridiculous to boost without proper work.
A : The Ring lands are not in the correct position, thus, this causes an extremely high possibility of cracking/destroying the upper one and thus ruining that cylinder and more.
B : As debatable as it is, NA 4G63's do not have oil squirters.
C : The 2.0 Vehicles simply aren't made to consider boost. They CAN BE, but for the cost and effort you'd put into it, you could pick up a running 4G63t for a couple hundred dollars.

3 : Transmission/Drivelines are a huge difference. Without major fabrication, you're only going to have a FWD vehicle and these cars loooove to spin without a transfer case leeching it's power to the rear. Not to mention, most people agree that the N/T engines are either not as durable or the gearset is simply not feasible.

4 : The Cost - Why put the time, money, and effort into modifying and likely rebuilding an engine when you can simply purchase a Turbo'd GST, GSX, TSI, or Laser AWD and go from there for next to nothing?

I can continue if you'd like.

 

[2GbTalonGuy]

^ please do

It would be much easier to turbocharge the 1G 2.0l N/A than it would be to supercharge it IMHO. No custom fab has to be done, you just need some OEM parts from a 2.0l turbocharged engine. (i.e. pistons, rods, manifold, turbo ect) I say as far a cost effectiveness, this would be the way to go.

 

[hurricanecris24]

Its possible, there's a guy on here that has twin charge.

 

[gusu]

He is asking about a very specific super charger. Honestly, I don't know if it would be able to fit but if it could fit it would defiantly not go right in easily.

Everyone else gave other reasons as to why it wouldn't work.

If you want to do a super charged DSM I'd think it would be cool to see one. The closest I have seen is a 4g63 (I think it was a GVR4 but could be wrong) with a super charger.

Now, if you wanted to be super unique you could do a 4g61t which looks almost exactly like a 4g63t but it has lower displacement. But it is built for boost so it will handle it better. I'm not sure if the motor mounts are in the same position but from what I have seen in pictures it appears to be. I think it would be awesome to see a old 4g63 NA swapped out with a 4g61t and super charged.

Personally I'd love to do a unique project like that but I honestly just don't know enough yet.

If you choose to try it I'd totally support the idea.

 

[blindboarder_02]

Some superchargers have coolant lines, some do not. (Im talking old mid 80's SC's) Now-a-days adding a supercharger can cost 3x what a turbo build would cost you.
I.E - a fellow I know has a 94 Trans Am with an LT1 block, supercharger cost $6k, labor was another $2k because every job has a unique problem. But thats just it, an LT1 block and supercharger - crazy power, something like an added 105hp to the wheels. Ive seen the dyno and the build, and IMO you would be better off buying a turbo car built for boost and high pressure.

 

[95TalonOwner]

Check out this thread if you really do plan on trying it. You can at least get a good idea of the amount of work and mounting options.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/bolt-tech/253830-twincharger-v2-0-teaser-photos-inside.html

 

[junkyarddsm]

Really people blow the supercgrger idea out of the water. You can Find the buick superchargers in great shape off ebay for about 200$ or so and then all you need to do is make an intake not really crazy hard. The hard part would be tuning and a cooling system like water/meth if you do a direct bolt-on. The way to mount the belt is one get a long belt for the closest drive pulley or stack a pulley on top of the closest drive pulley and find the right belt and a way to tighten it along with all the proper mods to the drive pulley. Really DSM's are not really an expensive car and parts are cheap a 1.8 or a 2.0 n/a motor out of a junkyard is maybe like 300$ (seen then on craigslist for less). I just saying that yes it can be done and not totally drain your bank as long as you take your time and don't push it right away you can make it work. Im working on supercharging my 420a and im about 700$ in now and all I need to start is msns and to come back to the states.

Their was in fact a 4g63 that was supercharged and ran great. It was on a galant VR-4. It is posted in dsmtuners along with another thread that talks all about supercharging the 4g63 and the 420a do a search and you should find one of the links. I posted the link to the supercharged VR-4 in the 4663 thread. Check it out cool stuff.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/420a-bolt-tech/137350-super-charger-3.html

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/318335-supercharged-4g63.html

here are the links.

 

[phunny]

I personally would love to see it done. Tired of seeing the same old crap, go SC go!

 

[Rideit636]

"Slap it on" is about as far of a description of how your would have to install it as you can get. Honestly, if you have to ask, you're probably not up to it. And to have someone else do the fab work will be thousands, for a 75ish hp gain. It would be cool to see, but not worth it IMO. You'd be much better off picking up a cheap turbo dsm.

 

[teenvette77]

The problem with a supercharger is that it takes engine power to run one. This is why they work better on larger displacement engines, which inherently have more power in n/a form. Turbos are "free" power, since it uses the engine's exhaust to spool. The downside is that there is some lag associated with it.

Long story short; you'd be much happier in the long run going with a turbocharger on a smaller engine. Especially since you are talking a bunch of fab work.

Ex: 1g Cobalt SS...big let down.

I might be wrong but dont you have to look at the gear ratios within the charger itself compared to what engine youre putting it on?

 

[ALLOUT CL55]

i want to see this done!

 

[mebetter]

It definitely can be done for something unique, but you will end up in the same boat as the supercharged cobalt ss guys. And wish you would have went turbo, when you see how much more efficient turbo is on 4 cylinder cars.

 

[starktech1]

Good lord thats gonna be a lot of work..not to mention its prob not worth the hastle..

 

[dsm03]

Fail

 

[leecastillo]

would be a waste of money

 

[CanadianTalonTC]

Ex: 1g Cobalt SS...big let down.

I might be wrong but dont you have to look at the gear ratios within the charger itself compared to what engine youre putting it on?

Ever actually driven one?

I had one fairly done up and it was an absolute blast. Instant boost ruled. With a TVS 1320LSJ SC and Meth they are rockets too No problem hanging with SS/TC's that are tuned). The only downside was FWD. I got tired of spinning and got this thing, and after a week already was looking into turbo swaps cause of how slow it was haha.

Joel