Spacers for GSX wheels on a GST

[Eagle96TalonTSi]

Does it help to say I have a 2ga FWD have run both 2g GSX (multispoke) and 2g GST (5 spoke) wheels with stock sized tires and have no issues, neither with GSX caliper fitment in the front or knuckle clearance in the rear? The 2ga rear knuckle has a few mm less clearance than the 2gb knuckle, but I don't think it should be causing an issue at this point. Other than that, there are no major differences between 2ga/2gb and GSX/GST.




Not sure where you got this info from. That's the factory wheel size for both 2g GSX and 3g tires.

^ stock GSX and 3g - Not 2ga

Well its only touched by a few MM in the rear, not smashed against.

The differences in 2ga/2gb adn TSI/GSX combined with large tires is whats making it touch.

Going to either A) Buy smaller tires before installing them OR B) buy 1" spacers.

 

[idkiliketurbos]

Just for reference, my gsx came with those 3rd gen rims (2g look a likes) with 215/50/17 tires on them and I had no clearance issues with them on my gsx.

 

[Eagle96TalonTSi]

Again were talking about a 2GA FWD here, not a 2gb awd.

 

[finesse49ers]

Gotcha snowborder714.

205/55/16 tires huh, 55's may just be too tall of a tire and it's hitting the knuckle. If that's not the problem then I'm stumped.

 

[snowborder714]

^He did in post #9.

Both his tires are factory sized for the wheels they're on, so if they hit, then he has another physical issue with the suspension.

^ stock GSX and 3g - Not 2ga

Well its only touched by a few MM in the rear, not smashed against.

The differences in 2ga/2gb adn TSI/GSX combined with large tires is whats making it touch.

Going to either A) Buy smaller tires before installing them OR B) buy 1" spacers.

I guess you overlooked the fact that my 2ga has run GSX wheels/tires (exact same as what you posted above size wise) with no issues

Do what you want though - it's your car. I still would like to see more pictures as something isn't right.

 

[Cdc1221]

Imstead of snapping at people like every other thread you've started, why not comply with the two people actually trying to help you and snap a pic with the wheel off? Just some friendly advice.

Aa for tire height, my car started out, as seen in my avatar, with stock 16s with 205/55s on them, lowered, with zero clearance issues. Now 18s with 225/40s and the same. Something is off kilter, and without physically being there, a pic would help to what.

 

[99ECLIPSEGSXDSM]

Why would you go with a 1" spacer when it barely touching. Get a 10mm spacer and it should be good. With that said the rims should fit weather it's a fwd or awd or 2ga or 2gb

 

[PieEyedPiper]

Just quickly scanning through this; sounds like these are not gsx or 3g wheels. Bending a knuckle is probably harder than mixing up wheels.
Just a thought.

 

[snowborder714]

They sure look like it (see last pic in post #4), and I'm unaware of any other wheel (OEM or aftermarket) that look like that. But at this point, anything's possible until we get some pictures or he just puts on spacers and moves on.

But I'd agree bending a knuckle isn't easy. But something else suspension wise might be messed up which could move the knuckle's position.

 

[WES_393]

Something isn't right here.

Your "GSX" brakes are the exact same brakes ALL AWD 2g's came with. And 95-96 GSX/AWD came with 16" rims from the factory. I have personally ran 16" swirly rims on my TSi AWD, and thats with the huge vented rear disks that only Early 95's have. I've seen guys tuck Outlander front brakes under stock 16's! No way your 16's didn't fit.

My 2ga TSi AWD is currently running 18x8 with 235/40 tires and it's not even close to rubbing the rear knuckles. Yes, I have a +40 offset, but I also have 1" more rim than stock 3g/GSX rims. I have even put these 18's on my FWD Spyder and didn't have rubbing issues anywhere.

So I'm not sure what your issue is.

 

[finesse49ers]

Having started off in the Mitsu scene with a 3G Eclipse I can say that those are 3G Eclipse wheels from 2001-2002 GT models. 3G'ers call them GSX wheels but in reality 2G GSX wheels are "two piece" and the 3G is "one piece" meaning one solid wheel. And as WES 393 stated the offset is +48 which very well may be the problem.

 

[Dxc545]

I had the same problem apparently the 95 96 have thicker knuckles in the rear I just used spacers

 

[Alan11]

3G wheels, not Oem Gsx wheels on 235/45/17. The car is a 96 Rs, no problems whatsoever. I don't know what you are doing.

 

[Eagle96TalonTSi]

Having started off in the Mitsu scene with a 3G Eclipse I can say that those are 3G Eclipse wheels from 2001-2002 GT models. 3G'ers call them GSX wheels but in reality 2G GSX wheels are "two piece" and the 3G is "one piece" meaning one solid wheel. And as WES 393 stated the offset is +48 which very well may be the problem.

I knew itd be something stupid with the wheels or tires. I did an inspection upon installing and just recently read all about the suspension and control arms in the FSM. Everything was fine and nothing has made noise or is rocking around.

I had the same problem apparently the 95 96 have thicker knuckles in the rear I just used spacers

This is the kind of info I needed. Ive been trying to tell you guys theres nothing wrong with theeee carrrrrrrrr.

"Something isnt right"

Then I wanna be wrong.

Theres a difference between THEORY and REAL WORLD shit. What works for you MAY NOT work for me just because theyre both DSMs. Our cars are cousin's but maybe, juuuust maybe - They have little differences?

 

[snowborder714]

And as WES 393 stated the offset is +48 which very well may be the problem.

The offset for a 2g GSX/3g wheel is +46.



What could I do to prove that the 2g GSX and 3g (of the same style wheel) are the exact same wheel? Would screenshots from ASA showing both body codes and wheel part numbers help?

I think you're agreeing with the person because you either don't want to prove to us that there is nothing wrong and that you do have the wheels you say you do, or you just don't want to think you might be wrong. Also please notice that the person you're agreeing with has an Eclipse GSX and not a Talon Tsi. This is something you were yelling at me and others for earlier with crossing drivetrains and models.

I'm not saying that you are wrong, but things just aren't adding up for me here. You're using a 2g GSX wheel (that happened to potentially come off a factory 3g car - same wheel either way) on a vehicle with a brake setup that should have no problem accepting the wheel (which I provided REAL WORLD shit above, not theory). Yes, I do have an Eclipse and you have a Talon, but there are no differences that anyone has found in almost 15 years that would cause wheels to not fit on a Talon. If for some reason you've found some brand new piece of evidence that the Talon is indeed different, kudos. But I can assume that both 2g GST and GSX wheels have been ran on both 2ga Eclipses and Talons with both single and dual piston calipers (and even the larger vented rear setups on the early 2ga's) with absolutely no issues.

 

[Eagle96TalonTSi]

The offset for a 2g GSX/3g wheel is +46.



What could I do to prove that the 2g GSX and 3g (of the same style wheel) are the exact same wheel? Would screenshots from ASA showing both body codes and wheel part numbers help?

I think you're agreeing with the person because you either don't want to prove to us that there is nothing wrong and that you do have the wheels you say you do, or you just don't want to think you might be wrong. Also please notice that the person you're agreeing with has an Eclipse GSX and not a Talon Tsi. This is something you were yelling at me and others for earlier with crossing drivetrains and models.

I'm not saying that you are wrong, but things just aren't adding up for me here. You're using a 2g GSX wheel (that happened to potentially come off a factory 3g car - same wheel either way) on a vehicle with a brake setup that should have no problem accepting the wheel (which I provided REAL WORLD shit above, not theory). Yes, I do have an Eclipse and you have a Talon, but there are no differences that anyone has found in almost 15 years that would cause wheels to not fit on a Talon. If for some reason you've found some brand new piece of evidence that the Talon is indeed different, kudos. But I can assume that both 2g GST and GSX wheels have been ran on both 2ga Eclipses and Talons with both single and dual piston calipers (and even the larger vented rear setups on the early 2ga's) with absolutely no issues.

Okay snowy my dude, TOMORROW. I will make a grand ole video, and check back in because guys - This just may be BRAKING news (). Ill even take a front wheel off and try to put the tsi wheel on and show you why it wont clear.

I honestly would have already done it if it hadnt been pouring all day. Im done talking theory here cause you guys are just getting butthurt (sorry dont ban me ### er sorry please (dont ban me for that either!)) and id rather show you physically with what were working with here fellas HELL YEAH

 

[snowborder714]

That's all you had to say in the first place. It'll be much appreciated and I'll be waiting for an update with some data/proof as to what's really going on. Make sure to show the wheels/tires you're test fitting as well so there is no confusion with them either.

 

[Dxc545]

In my situation I have the 2 piece oem gsx rims with 225/50 tire and a 1.5" drop. I think I used 5/16 spacers on all four just enough to clear in the rear. I'll post pics before and after.

Sorry I didn't read the full post but I have stock 96 gsx brakes my only issue was the clearance with the tire

 

[Tyeler18]

Just to clear up some BS in this thread- 2g TURBO chassis's are IDENTICAL. No matter fwd/awd/talon/eclipse. They are NOT longer, they are NOT wider, they are not DIFFERENT in any other way CHASSIS wise. Also, the 95/96 rear suspension is NOT different. I have a completely OEM awd subframe/suspension sitting in my garage out of a 95 talon. I also have a FWD 98 subframe (bone stock yet again) out of a 5 speed spyder. I also have a 96 AWD subframe out of an AUTO in my 96 AWD auto spyder, none of them are different, identical actually.

The 3g wheels are different like stated, what the difference exactly is I have no idea. Although it shouldn't matter considering they supposedly came from a 2g gsx so there should be no problem anyways.

 

[Eagle96TalonTSi]

That first picture is exactly what mine looked like when I put them on. Didnt even TRY to roll it around, already knew it wasnt gonna fly.

With the spacers do you notice any difference in the ride or anything?

 

[snowborder714]

Just to clear up some BS in this thread- 2g TURBO chassis's are IDENTICAL. No matter fwd/awd/talon/eclipse. They are NOT longer, they are NOT wider, they are not DIFFERENT in any other way CHASSIS wise. Also, the 95/96 rear suspension is NOT different. I have a completely OEM awd subframe/suspension sitting in my garage out of a 95 talon. I also have a FWD 98 subframe (bone stock yet again) out of a 5 speed spyder. I also have a 96 AWD subframe out of an AUTO in my 96 AWD auto spyder, none of them are different, identical actually.

The 3g wheels are different like stated, what the difference exactly is I have no idea. Although it shouldn't matter considering they supposedly came from a 2g gsx so there should be no problem anyways.

The 2ga and 2gb rear knuckles are indeed different. I have measured the difference myself, and others have posted about it on here. That's the only rear suspension difference I'm aware of.

 

[Tyeler18]

The 2ga and 2gb rear knuckles are indeed different. I have measured the difference myself, and others have posted about it on here. That's the only rear suspension difference I'm aware of.

Must be certain months or something then, my auto 96 knuckles are identical to my 5 speed 95 which are identical to my fwd 98.

 

[Dxc545]

I forgot to mention I do have some camber in the rear which might effect the fitment for my issue. I can't confirm a difference with the spacers because I put them on when I installed the rims/tire but obviously a wider tire will change the handling.

 

[kidtsi]

This reminds me of the aluminum 4g63 block thread.

Negative camber/toe/bent arm or something is not right, 215/50 tires are for bicycles common. I once ran 17x9 +45 with 235/40 no problems.

 

[ed1380]

I fit 245/40-18 with no rubbing. 18x8.5 with 35mm offset