Questions on rim spacers

[nitroazz]

I've gone through the search a few times and have found a few subjects that touch upon my question but nothing that answers it completely.

I found a set of rims in my area ( advan sa3r)
Tire sized 265/35Z/R18
converter says rim size of 9-10.5" and tire size of 10.43"

Can I use this with my car using a 25mm ( 1" spacer) or should I go a bit larger?
I test fit the tire earlier today to see how it would look and the tire rubs very tightly on the upper part of the rear hub.

And yes, I know I could buy rims that fit but for these ones I am looking at $4k usd without rubber and he wants less than a quarter of that with tires.

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[KB90TSIAWD]

my two cents.. i work at firestone and not do them personally but seen people who have had wheel spacers on their car and it is rough on your suspension,. would not put them on your car at all man. just going to cause more issues,

go smaller

 

[Dyesuperman]

25mm is waaayyy too big. What makes you think you need another inch of clearance if it bolts up but the tire rubs a little? Just get enough washers to space out three studs and add washers until it clears. Then measure how thick the washers added up to and you have the size spacer you need

 

[jtmcinder]

I'm having a hard time understanding the OP's question and the first reply is complete nonsense (since spacers will do nothing to the suspension), but will say this: if you do run spacers, they should be very thin (e.g., 5mm) or they should be the fancy hubcentric types that have a second set of lugs in them (e.g., Ichibas).

 

[nitroazz]

So an inch is too big. I was looking at something that the existing lugs would be able to fit into nicely, otherwise, I could just get longer studs and place in a smaller spacer. Looking at the size of the offset on this rim it may need just under an inch to clear properly. The worse thing now tho is that I'll be leaving on thursday and coming home to my car in april. Was hoping to be able to just mount them up and go.

Is an inch do able though. It would make my wheelbase 2" wider on the front and the rear which should increase the balance and stability.
I am also concerned with fitment for when I get my coilover kit. I don't want to drop $1000 on coilovers and not have them fit properly either.

1" spacers

 

[4g63tc]

I run a 19x10.5 in the rear with a 265/30/19 and only have a 10mm spacer

You can browse spacers on 3000GT/Eclipse/EVO/Galant (5-Lug)-Options Auto Salon - Sport Compact Car Performance Parts Hubcentric, and comes with new lugs etc.

But Without knowing your Offset, it might be hard to determine which one to get.

4k for used Advans? I paid 3.2k for new Volk GT-7's, I'd keep shopping, way to overpriced for High end Japanese tuner rims. Advans should be around the same pricing.

try http://www.upgrademotoring.com/wheels/yokohama/advan_version2.htm that's where i got mine from.

 

[nitroazz]

No, the $4k is for brand new ones in 10.5" width from Japan.

I'll see if I can get the seller to find me the info on the rims but it might be hard for him.

The tire was rubbing right on the top of the rear knuckle. So it needs to be spaced out for sure. I guess I could use the washer approach but I need to do it before I ship out on training for a couple of months.

Thanks for the help thus far everyone.

 

[Nikolay_Ruskov]

yeah go with ichiba v2 .I am using ichiba V2 25mm spacers on the front.

 

[knochgoon24]

I don't see how all of you are talking about spacers when you don't even know the offset or width of the wheel.

OP, find that out so you can figure out just how much spacer you'd need.

 

[4g63tc]

I don't see how all of you are talking about spacers when you don't even know the offset or width of the wheel.

OP, find that out so you can figure out just how much spacer you'd need.

+1 on this.

 

[jtmcinder]

I don't see how all of you are talking about spacers when you don't even know the offset or width of the wheel.

While I completely agree with the above, the wheels are 18" Advan SA3Rs, so, in conjunction with the picture, we can be pretty sure what the offset is: +22. That's why he's rubbing the rear knuckle with 265/35/18s.

Someone above mentioned Ichiba V2s; thanks for paying attention. Unfortunately, the OP is in that dead-zone where a flat spacer would have to be too thick to be safe, but the thinnest V2 will be too much.

If these were my wheels, they'd be on eBay by now.

 

[LandoAWD]

RRE has shunned spacers larger than 10mm for many years, but they care about performance rather than making ill-fitting wheels fit.

 

[jtmcinder]

Most people who are serious (which, of course, includes RRE) plan things out and buy a wheel with the right offset to start with. You can always get close, so you only ever need a thin spacer when you do it right. The other issue is that some sanctioning bodies do not allow new-bolt spacers like the Ichiba V2 and don't allow plain spacers above a certain thickness, so, to be legal at any and all tracks, you run thin ones or nothing.

With that said, there's one crazy argument in favor of spacers from a performance stand-point: they add a layer of heat separation between the rotor and wheel. While I would never run spacers for only this purpose, I know of one pretty darned serious autocrosser who bought wheels with too much offset so that he could run spacers so that heat from the rotors wouldn't migrate to the wheels and alter his tire-pressure. Remember: when autocrossing you can't drive around and let air-flow cool your brakes; between runs you must sit in grid.

 

[jtmcinder]

With all that said, regardless of offset, the OP's biggest issue is going to be getting the 265s to tuck. Before getting spacers to get the tire off the rear knuckle, the OP should sit down and figure out what he or she is going to do about this. The spacers are just going to make it worse. If you aren't going to do some serious work on the rear fenders or run it like a truck, then the best option for 2G often comes out as 245/40/17s on an offset around +40. If you insist on 18s for some reason, then 245/35/18 with the same offset is the equivalent.

This is why I mentioned eBay above.

 

[nitroazz]

Well... If I am buying off Ebay, I am looking at 4x100 used for min $1100 usd plus shipping cross border, on average. That is, if I can find what I need.

Advan offers the rims 18x10 with a standard set offset of 24. Or order in set offset 45-8.
These then retail for $1000 usd a rim plus shipping most likely from either Australia or Japan.
I then need to order rubber for them at about $300 usd a tire plus shipping to Canada again.

What I am trying to figure out is if I can use a spacer to make these ones work because they are 18x10, come with tires and are only $1000 cdn locally. A fantastic deal.

I just need to figure it out before thursday ( jan 12th) when I leave for my next training exercise for three months.

Thanks for any fruitful help.
I will eventual end up with a set of these rims, I would rather spend less and have money for my next motor build.

 

[knochgoon24]

Since you seem set on those wheels...

Can you use a spacer? Yes.
Will they tuck in the rear? Not without a little fender work.
Would I run them myself? Probably not. I like my spacers to be <5mm. But some may call me conservative.

 

[4g63tc]

Since you seem set on those wheels...

Can you use a spacer? Yes.
Will they tuck in the rear? Not without a little fender work.
Would I run them myself? Probably not. I like my spacers to be <5mm. But some may call me conservative.

He is a conservative

No they will not tuck, the Poke will be too extreme, unless you want to run -3 deg of camber or better, or pay for Coil-overs just for the explicit function of setting them on full hard so that when you bottom out the tire doesn't crash into the rear fender.

I run 10.5's in a 19, but the rear has been pulled, and rolled to accommodate this, I'm running -2 degrees, and have my suspension set to full hard.

It's ok on a nice smooth Ca road, with little to no potholes, but for sure you will feel everything. and at an extreme camber you will wear those tires down on a DD depending on commute in a matter of months.

 

[nitroazz]

Okay, seller has gotten back to me. Exact tire sizing 18x9, says there is a 36 stamped with that. I am awaiting a picture to confirm but it looks like the offset is +36. Going through the Advan site has me figuring it's actually 35 since they don't have a 36.

I would love to have these tires but if it doesn't work, I'll pass on them and keep looking. I also fully intend to roll the fenders and add a little wide body flare to them if necessary.
I also don't want to have to put a 4" drop on them to make them semi functional.

I also have a second question on spacers. If they are highly frowned upon why is it that most lifted mudder trucks run a 1-2" spacer to be able to install the larger sized off road tires. If it is such a weak component and upgrade, I am pretty sure that offroading with them would be a horrid idea. Just curious is all. Thanks

 

[knochgoon24]

If they're +35, then a 10mm spacer may fix the problem. The tire is a tad wide, so I'm not sure that would be enough. If you want, you could experiment by stacking some washers on the studs to see how much of a spacer it would take before they clear with that exact setup.

 

[nitroazz]

I am pretty sure I'll have to do that.

How close is the sizing to that of a GTO, he says that he used a 10mm spacer on that for these rims.

 

[4g63tc]

a 10 mm spacer is what i use on a +35 offset, and yes you can run the 18x9 but your tire size needs to get smaller. I think Dye runs a 245/40/18

Send a PM to Dyesuperman he runs about the same size.

And i didn't mean a 4" drop, i meant -4 degrees of camber to get it to tuck.

 

[jtmcinder]

I could see running -4* of rear camber with a massive rear bar if you had a FWD and were setting the car up for something like BTCC. But on an AWD - especially one with a cruddy form of limited slip in the center - this would be silly.

 

[Dyesuperman]

I'm running a 255/35/18 without spacers with 18x9.5 +35 wheels. Downgrade the tire size and you won't have any problem but if you must, just add a small spacer. I don't think it will take that much


Edit: Oh, and I'm only at -2* in the rear..not optimal but not bad either for the tire size

 

[jtmcinder]

I'm running a 255/35/18 without spacers with 18x9.5 +35 wheels.

That is cutting it so close to the rear knuckle that you should probably tell us what kind of tires.

 

[Dyesuperman]

That is cutting it so close to the rear knuckle that you should probably tell us what kind of tires.

Good catch, its maybe 2mm of clearance. Tires are General Exclaim UHP. When I first got the wheels they had re01r's on them and I used a 3mm spacer to clear the knuckle with those. It may have even cleared with those tires though, I just put the spacers on to be safe and had them on up until a couple days ago when I realized they would clear without the spacers

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