Spacers for GSX wheels on a GST

[TJCTalon]

Is this a joke??

Wow Ive ran a few tire an wheel combos. currently running 17 GSX wheels with 225 50 KDW's on my almost 2 inch drop talon with no issues what so ever. Even my 17x9 245 45 fit with no issues.

 

[Eagle96TalonTSi]

Told you guys it wasn't something messed up on my car

Do I still need to post a video?

 

[kidtsi]

Actually there is...

 

[PieEyedPiper]

Considering the majority still think your car is messed up, yes. Yes, you do need to post a video.

I don't know how you got the impression that there's nothing wrong with your car from this thread. Wrong or not, something is different.

Actually there is...

Beat me to it! Damn database errors.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

Something isn't right here.

Your "GSX" brakes are the exact same brakes ALL AWD 2g's came with. And 95-96 GSX/AWD came with 16" rims from the factory. I have personally ran 16" swirly rims on my TSi AWD, and thats with the huge vented rear disks-------- and larger front disks ------that only Early 95's have. I've seen guys tuck Outlander front brakes under stock 16's! No way your 16's didn't fit.

My 2ga TSi AWD is currently running 18x8 with 235/40 tires and it's not even close to rubbing the rear knuckles. Yes, I have a +40 offset, but I also have 1" more rim than stock 3g/GSX rims. I have even put these 18's on my FWD Spyder and didn't have rubbing issues anywhere.

So I'm not sure what your issue is.

Fixed

 

[flawlessTSI]

Im looking forward to seeing the video of the tsi wheel not fitting over the front brakes. This works for sure, u have to of instaled the rotors and calipers wrong idk how but that's the only explanation. As far as the rear goes idk, i dont mess with fwd's .

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

I don't what your issue is but noone is but hurt over your stupid self. There is a problem with your damn car. Accept that fact. Talon/eclipse eclipse/talon are the same damn chassis with different parts bolted on. Everything from a talon can fit on an eclipse and vise versa.

So many ppl have fit bigger brakes and tires on the same size or smaller and larger wheels than you are messing with. Don't make a thread asking for help with an issue and tell everyone you car is perfect and cannot have any issues. Like brian said it was probably bent somewhere when lowered.

 

[jtmcinder]

Almost all wheels have the offset stamped somewhere on the inner face. I'd really like to know these values for both sets of wheels because something doesn't seem right.

 

[Cdc1221]

I could be wrong, but camber doesnt change the angle at which the wheel bearing assembly fits inside the knuckle. Only three possible scenarios.

A. The wba bolts are loose amd its moved in the knuckle.

B. The knuckle itself is bent

C. The wheel offset is wrong

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

Correct camber doesn't change how the wheel sits with the knuckle since your moving the whole knuckle at the top.

 

[snowborder714]

Wow, I was not thinking right last night. As mentioned by the past two people, camber won't cause that issue. Please ignore my previous references to that

 

[jtmcinder]

And, to be blunt, this thread should stop right where it is until the OP verifies the offset of the two sets of wheels.

 

[Eagle96TalonTSi]

The weather today was still terrible but the rains looks to have stopped so I can post a video tomorrow if need be.

I did go snap some pictures and ill upload them for now.

Do you guys see anything wrong?

Thanks for all the help thus far and sorry if I offended you <3

 

[jtmcinder]

One last time.

Look carefully at the wheels ... one from each set. Somewhere it will say something like "ET38" or "ET46." Tell us what these numbers are. Do not assume that they will be the same for the two sets of wheels. Check both.

We cannot know how to help you without these.

Thanks.

 

[007jimmy]

3rd pic down.. those washers shouldnt be there but they shouldnt affect the tire hitting the knuckle. they were probably installed to combat the camber issue when whoever lowered the car. being that you dont know the history of the car i would take the rear caliper and rotor off and check your wheel bearing. not because its broke but because i have seen some really oddball backwoods enginering where guys stuck washers between the wheel bearing and knuckle to get the tire to clear the fender when lowered. maybe the previous owner used el-cheapo rotors and they arent as thick on the center ring as the should. ive seen that before too..

 

[snowborder714]

^Correct, there is some negative camber correct in the form of the washers behind the mounting points of the UCA's. Just so the OP is aware if he ever goes to get the car aligned and wonders why he has more positive camber in the rear than expected. Out of curiosity, did you get the car aligned after swapping out the shocks which raised the ride height?

One last time.

Look carefully at the wheels ... one from each set. Somewhere it will say something like "ET38" or "ET46." Tell us what these numbers are. Do not assume that they will be the same for the two sets of wheels. Check both.

We cannot know how to help you without these.

Thanks.

This.

We need to start with the easiest information, and that would be the wheels/tires. If for some reason you have a wheel with an odd offset (something more positive than the stock +46, such as +52), this is simply the issues as it's pushing the inner lip of the wheel too far in. If your offset is normal for these cars, then we have to dig deeper. This one is a simple yes or no so we can cross it off the list.

Post some pictures of the wheels (especially the hub section in the inside of the wheel) and the tires, showing any markings you can find for both sets.

 

[Eagle96TalonTSi]

Sigh okay, brb.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtdJm13yeGY[/ame]

Best I can do for now, sorry guys.

Did not spot any markings other than what youll see on the video. Tomorrow when I take the wheels OFF I will hopefully find more significant markings.

 

[snowborder714]

Ya, you won't be able to see the offset until you take the wheel off the hub. I thought maybe you were still running 2 GSX and 2 GST wheels and had some laying around you could check out.

 

[Eagle96TalonTSi]

Noooooooooope they are at my buddys house - Didnt wanna put nasty ass wheels in my car

Just saw your ? earlier - Yes I did get the car weighted and alignment.

I am going to do it again after the new wheels/tires go on.

I am going to buy spacers and give these wheels back for some other 2g GSX wheels that he KNOWS for sure come from a GSX because theyre sitting on one of our parts cars, which is a GSX. Hopefully I wont need the spacers, and I can just return them.

They also have much better tires on them

 

[BacknBlack92ESi]

Wheels/Tires do not affect your alignment. Tire pressure only needs to be at proper PSI.

 

[KewlWinter]

take those spacers out from behind the upper control arm mounts. Those were put in when the previous owner lowered it to correct the camber. When it was returned to stock height without removing the washers, it pushed the top of your wheels out causing your clearance problem. Those washers are not usually required (at least in the qty I see in pick) for stock height.

 

[jtmcinder]

take those spacers out from behind the upper control arm mounts. Those were put in when the previous owner lowered it to correct the camber. When it was returned to stock height without removing the washers, it pushed the top of your wheels out causing your clearance problem. Those washers are not usually required (at least in the qty I see in pick) for stock height.

Thanks for playing, but the problem is tire-knuckle contact.

 

[PieEyedPiper]

I'm going to be amazed if that 3g wheel actually does have a different offset than all the other gsx and 3g wheels.

Come on and pop it off! Don't abort the mission until my personal curiosity is satisfied!

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

I'm going to be amazed if that 3g wheel actually does have a different offset than all the other gsx and 3g wheels.

Come on and pop it off! Don't abort the mission until my personal curiosity is satisfied!

Hahaha

 

[InfiniteGSX]

What could I do to prove that the 2g GSX and 3g (of the same style wheel) are the exact same wheel?

No, they aren't. Two totally different wheels.
2g GSX:

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3g:

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Even in the 3g Broshure, there is no wheel avail. that accurately matches the 2g GSX. OP in fact has 3rd Gen GTS Wheels.

The 2ga and 2gb rear knuckles are indeed different. I have measured the difference myself, and others have posted about it on here. That's the only rear suspension difference I'm aware of.

Really? I have both and they are identical next to each other. I've never seen a different Knuckle on any year 2g.

This reminds me of the aluminum 4g63 block thread.

Negative camber/toe/bent arm or something is not right, 215/50 tires are for bicycles common. I once ran 17x9 +45 with 235/40 no problems.

Thank You!

This thread is just mind boggling, I have run 18x9's with more than enough clearance to hide a small child.

And what the hell does lowering your car have to do with it? Why does everyone keep asking "Is your car lowered?"... Seriously, you think if you lower your car, your knuckle will randomly change its solid structural design and bend inward? Camber, caster, toe bla bla bla doesn't change where the tire/wheel sits next to the knuckle. Its all together. When you adjust camber, your adjusting your knuckle which is connected to your hub, which has a bearing in it and that hub is bolted to your wheels.

Everyone else is correct, something is wrong. Looks to me like a bent knuckle. Nothing more. 3g wheels are ran on DSM's all the time. I've even had a set on my car in the past. Its nothing new. I've also run high offset (fwd offsets) with fat tires with no issues. Only time I've had an issue was on a 1g where the wheel hardly rubbed on the trailing arm. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Factory GT wheel spec: 17x6.5" ; +46 offset ; 5x114.3 ; 67.1mm centerbore (applies to all 2000+ Eclipse models and most Mitsubishi cars)

So again, if rubbing, you have a bent knuckle. Because 6.5" is like puny.... people run 10" wide wheels/tires on these cars. I remember a old friend that had 255's on his stock wheels, looked awesome when lowered. No rubbing.

As Snowboarder stated in his last post, you will not find offset or any markings besides the normal inspection casting unless you take the wheel off. Unless they are high end wheels, they would have a sticker on the inside of the rim.

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Taken from OZ. However not all wheels are like this. Most markings are on the inner spokes or on the base of the wheel.

19x8.5 +42 245/40

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