Questions for Justin...

[JusMX141]

No clue- never used one, so I have no idea how it performs in terms of spool or flow.

Generally-speaking, less blades = more flow when comparing two wheels of the same size, but if it suddenly becomes as laggy as a TD06, then the "upgrade" isn't so valuable.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Justin do you know of a place to get an hx52 rebuild kit that ships to canada? BAE won't.

 

[JusMX141]

Justin do you know of a place to get an hx52 rebuild kit that ships to canada? BAE won't.

Any Cummins Turbo Tech dealer or some performance diesel shops if you want Genuine; part number is 3580762.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Does international trucks use holset? Theres a dealer not too far from me

 

[Fullthrottle7]

Kyle I leave for Whistler tomorrow, if you can find a place in the Seattle area that sells what you need, I could pick it up tmrw morning on the way and ship from a Canadian post office after driving it across the border. I'll feel better smuggling that then other substances ... I know there's a Cummins location in Renton no clue if they would stock that or special order though?

 

[JusMX141]

Does international trucks use holset? Theres a dealer not too far from me

Depends if they have a Cummins engine or not.

Actual International engines do not, they use Garretts....like the 7.3, 6.0, and 6.4 Powerstroke engines which were International-built.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Damnit. Lol i know peterbuilt uses holset

 

[JusMX141]

No, *some* Peterbilts use Cummins engines....which use Holset turbochargers. You're missing the connection apparently...it doesn't matter what brand the truck is, it matters what brand the engine is. If you are fortunate enough to buy Cummins parts through an International or Peterbilt dealer, they're just going to buy the parts from Cummins then add 30% and sell them to you.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

30% is better than duty tax and shipping. Thanks i got it now

 

[CrackedDSM]

Don't suppose you could help me decide what turbo to use on my long rod 2.4, eh? I'm thinking something in the HX35 or HX40 range. I don't want to deal with a super laggy turbo. I have no idea what my power goals will be, but if it says anything the motor will be a long-rod 2.4, with a built head/stainless steel valves/blah blah.


Any recommendations? I want fast spool but I don't want it to choke out up top either. I'm worried the HX35 will spool really fast in the .55 a/r housing but run out of steam too fast. I hate tubular manifolds too, or I would go .70 a/r open T3 HX35. But as it is, I'm still leaning towards a .70 a/r HX40 6-blade and hoping it spools like an HX35 w/ .55a/r housing on a 2.0L.




Anyone who has personal experience running an HX40 on a 2.4...please chime in or PM me. Would love to hear some first-hand experience and how you like it.

 

[1G Eclipse94928]

Don't suppose you could help me decide what turbo to use on my long rod 2.4, eh? I'm thinking something in the HX35 or HX40 range. I don't want to deal with a super laggy turbo. I have no idea what my power goals will be, but if it says anything the motor will be a long-rod 2.4, with a built head/stainless steel valves/blah blah.


Any recommendations? I want fast spool but I don't want it to choke out up top either. I'm worried the HX35 will spool really fast in the .55 a/r housing but run out of steam too fast. I hate tubular manifolds too, or I would go .70 a/r open T3 HX35. But as it is, I'm still leaning towards a .70 a/r HX40 6-blade and hoping it spools like an HX35 w/ .55a/r housing on a 2.0L.




Anyone who has personal experience running an HX40 on a 2.4...please chime in or PM me. Would love to hear some first-hand experience and how you like it.

I dont have a 2.4, but I wouldn't get the .55 housing, I love holsets so I would say get the hx35, or HY35, I'm getting the hy35 for my car.
What was the previous horsepower you were at? No need to make a HUGE jump if you were just stock.

What rev limit are you planning on having?

 

[CrackedDSM]

Don't plan to rev past 8500rpm. I don't think the HY35 is quite what I want. From everyone I've talked with, the .55 a/r housings increase backpressure in the turbine housing by quite a bit and isn't healthy for the turbo especially with a heavy-breathing 2.4 powering it. I mainly am just curious on second opinions/etc so I listed that for comparison. I'm heavily leaning towards a .70a/r HX40 or just saying screw it and going with an HTA82 but I really like the Holsets.




And no worries on the power level. I'm not shooting for the moon just yet. Just taking it easy and going with the flow as it were.

 

[1G Eclipse94928]

Oh, and I forgot to ask, are you building it for drag, street driving, roadrace, etc?
HX40 would put down A LOT of power if you wanted it to.

Also is your drive line upgraded? Trans built?

 

[CrackedDSM]

It's an auto AWD. Fresh rebuild, IPT end-clutch kit, B&M Trans-cooler...the driveline is good for power.


As far as it's use..this car is going to be fast with class. Full interior, a/c, power steering...street car. I'm going to go through the entire suspension so it'll handle like a dream, and bust some ass when I want it to. But my DSMs will always be a street-focused car. But, I guess you could say the focus would be primarily drag as that's what I'll be doing on the weekends is hitting up the local strip. However I cannot abide driving in a huge turbo, gutted racecar unless it's at the track. I had a similar setup quite a few years back with a 1G where it was a built G4CS powering a 3076R(old school garrett tech, no billet wheels or fancy FP stuff) and it spooled great. Top end wasn't exactly killer, but it was close to what I want now...but this was back when Honeywell was putting out "Garrett" badged shit. New Garrett stuff seems to be a lot better quality, but the Holsets spool faster, make more power, and are rebuilt cheaper. Thus my question.

 

[Seamus]

International engines from their big tractors used to have Schwitzer turbos. Borg Warner bought them out and released them as the s300,s and such. So you'll probably see some of them out there too.

 

[JusMX141]

Don't suppose you could help me decide what turbo to use on my long rod 2.4, eh? I'm thinking something in the HX35 or HX40 range. I don't want to deal with a super laggy turbo. I have no idea what my power goals will be, but if it says anything the motor will be a long-rod 2.4, with a built head/stainless steel valves/blah blah.


Any recommendations? I want fast spool but I don't want it to choke out up top either. I'm worried the HX35 will spool really fast in the .55 a/r housing but run out of steam too fast. I hate tubular manifolds too, or I would go .70 a/r open T3 HX35. But as it is, I'm still leaning towards a .70 a/r HX40 6-blade and hoping it spools like an HX35 w/ .55a/r housing on a 2.0L.




Anyone who has personal experience running an HX40 on a 2.4...please chime in or PM me. Would love to hear some first-hand experience and how you like it.

HY35, HX35 using a T3 .70 housing, or a DSM bolt-on HX40. All three are going to spool close to the same and make about the same airflow, so whatever you can get the best deal on or have the manifold setup for.

I actually know of someone using a 7-blade HX35 mated to a HX40 turbine in a BEP .55 bolt-on housing on their 2.4 and they're quite satisfied with the performance and spool.

 

[CrackedDSM]

That's about what I was hoping you'd say. I think I'll go HX40 bolt on at first, and then in the future when I'm ready for 'crazy' I'll go with a twin-scroll manifold/setup.

 

[TalonSpeed]

That's about what I was hoping you'd say. I think I'll go HX40 bolt on at first, and then in the future when I'm ready for 'crazy' I'll go with a twin-scroll manifold/setup.

im going with same setup. hx40 6 blade, bep bolton housing. kelford 272 on a stroker 2.3.

 

[CrackedDSM]

Interesting. Got to keep me updated with your progress and how you like it spool wise. I've been debating what cams to use and so far I'm stuck between the GSC S2s and the Kelford 272s. I figure both are "big" enough to match for a 2.4 as they're both more like 280s than 272s.

 

[RedTsi_PR]

Justin i removed my Turbo today because i want to ceramic coat all my hot parts and came across this

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Turbo is a 35R billet compressor wheel on a Td06h thru a 8cm turbine housing. I'm afraid the 8cm isn't flowing enough to handle the the 35r compressor wheel. I have this T3 td05h 10cm housing here and was planning on send it over to Turbolab to have port to Td06H specs but i don't think it has enough meat.

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. So now my question is in any case i can't use that 10cm housing, is there any bigger one i can use so i don't have to change my current mani, O2 housing setup??


BTW: Car trapped 128 miles last monday like that so i don't plan on changing the wheel yet.

If i can't use the sy/ty one im leaning over this one. It's already set to 06H spec aaaaannd is set up for a Vband outlet. What do you guys think.

http://shopping.kinugawaturbo.com/turbinehousingkinugawamitsubishitd06hte06h10cmt3v-band.aspx

 

[JusMX141]

I don't feel you're running into a turbine flow problem- though I will say the standard TD06H turbine was clipped on older FP Reds used in a 7cm2 and 8cm2 DSM housing, and those turbos didn't have a compressor as large as the 35R.

The way the blades are bent in an inconsistent pattern, that absolutely looks like foreign object damage to me. Could be a piece of a spark plug- anything. Excessive backpressure/EGT's would appear more as "erosion" to all of the blades in an equal manner where your example just looks like a few bent blades. Something that IS puzzling, however, is there's evidence that the turbine exducer has clearly rubbed the housing at some point, and it appears to be rather fresh as noted by the lack of carbon on the visible grooves. Any idea what that's about?


P.S.- The T3 housing in your example is the same casting that was used on other turbos with a TD06 turbine....so it can definitely be machined to a TD06H spec if you're willing to put up with full boost in the 5K range.

 

[RedTsi_PR]

Now that you mention it i didn't noticed the rubbed on the exducer side. I really don't know what could happend there. I was on the track on monday and it did went overboost 1 time but i did lift. So you think i'm not overflowing the 8cm?

By the way she already spools a lil later over 5000

 

[TSicktalon]

I have a MHI td06 20g on my car currently, and I am planning to rebuild it in the near future. It has a bit of side to side and thrust play, but not much.

1) where is a good place to get a rebuild kit?

2) are there any worthwhile simple upgrades for this turbo? Antisurge housing, extended tip compressor wheel?

 

[JusMX141]

1) Kamak Dynamics / Kinugawa Turbo

2) Sure, if you're having problems with surge that you'd like to solve or you're seeking more airflow and want to put $200 into a billet compressor wheel and a rebalance....otherwise, I'd leave it as-is.

 

[pindlepiper]

Justin,

I am wanting to go with a HX40 setup. I am having a hard time finding a good/new Holset HX40 for a decent price. I found a brand new OEM Holset CHRA cartridge 3535324 for $125. At this point all I would need is a compressor housing and BEP turbine housing correct? I am having trouble finding a compressor housing for this turbo. Any ideas where or what kind of price? Does this seem like a good route to go, or should I just wait until the whole setup pops up available?

Thanks,
Derek