New plans for setup but some questions first

[talontsi97]

I was planning on getting and evo3 16g for my FWD. I had thoughts of going bigger so i was always open but after many people telling me to get the 16g i was decided on that. Now after a while im thinking of wanting to go bigger again, my buddy's gst with the evo3 16 is pretty quick and hes not even fully modded but he already knows he should went bigger. Plus from what i read online to many people get tired of 16g's fast. So now im unsure again on what i want. I been thinking 20g but with the money spent on that i was wondering what other good choices are out there. With the 16g i wanted 300whp but after reading mod lists and all i know that would be to easy so im looking for 350-400 whp. I have a sbr tubular manifold with mitsu flange on it so i need a mitsu flanged turbo, i also have tial 38mm wastegate, hks 264/272 cams, maf-t setup and tial bov not installed on my car yet.
I will be tuning with safc2 and a logger, and am also thinking of getting a eprom and dsmchips setup to help with the tune and some other things.
So if anyone can give me experiance on this i would greatly appreciate it. I wanna finish getting my parts so when the winter come i can finnally upgrade from the t-25
thanks in advance

 

[T9S1i]

i would go something bigger than the e316g or 20g, especially with a fwd. The 16g type turbos will spool real fast and cause massive wheelspin.

Look into a 50trim or maybe even a 60-1 or something in that category. For my awd, im going to go with a 50trim, probably the pte 5031, but if i was building a fwd i would make a top end monster with some kind of 60trim turbo. If you are looking into putting down more power than 375hp, id look into one of these larger turbos that wont get full boost till around 4krpm (for traction's sake), but if you dont want to make serious power and just want a fun, streetable turbo with some traction issues, go with the e316g, you cant beat it at the <360hp levels.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

You do realize that the 20g is just as capable (but with MHI quality) as a 50 trim right? The only reason why people don't go with the 20g anymore is because the 50 trim can perform just as well but for cheaper. Please do not get that confused.

Since I've been FWD for a while now with all 3 turbos (e316G, 50 trim, BB 50 trim) I can say that the 50 trim outperforms the e316G in everyway except for bank-for-buck and spoolup. I get full spool at 3800 or so and she pulls HARD all the way to redline.

scroll to the bottom for my experiences:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218036

Since you're looking for 350-400 whp, you will want to go with a 50/54/57 trim turbo or a 20g. Remember, if you're looking for a good timeslip, it's not always about how much power you make (TRUST ME). Once you start making over 300 fwhp, a good set of tires > 50 more horsepower.

If I were to do it all over again, a td06 20g would be a definite prime candidate along with the BB5031/GT30R/FP3052

 

[talontsi97]

thanks for replies so far, im really liking what im seeing from the pte bb50trim.

blcknspo0ln you recomend it for a fwd car? No matter what i upgrade to its going to spin and i understand that but im still trying to find out how it really is. Does the slower spool really help traction or when boost comes on it blows the tires away anyway?
I realize that with fwd it isnt all about power when going for track times, but with bfg drag radials and pump gas im look to just hit a high 12 and have the horsepower when it goes on the dyno.

If i go with a 20g or one of the 50trims whats a good size injector to run? 660's? i will be using logger/safc2/ and if its good and works i will buy the eprom with chip.

 

[RavenX]

I guess i'll just reply here for you. I've had the e16g, bullseye vtrim, bullseye 50trim, and the now PTE BB 57trim. Since your fwd this makes things alot harder. No matter what turbo you go with your going to experience traction issues even with a big turbo. Your just delaying the spinning a little bit by the linear boost. As Tom suggested a good set of tires is very key to your setup. I have the BFG's KDW2's and they are great except i just wish they were a little stickier(300 thread wear rating). Considering the goals you want i would opt for a 20g or 50trim. 50trim is more preferable as its more cheap and has a great effiency and of course a good pump gas turbo. I would rather not recommend the pte bb 57trim as it surges past 23psi with the to4e housing and the only way to fix that is to slap on a anti surge housing(to4e,to4s) with a 4" inlet. Just read up on my threads about it. As for what to tune the car i would recommend the maftpro over the safc its alot better with some very good tuning features. 650's will support more than enough for the 50trim. If you can also get the eeprom ecu and chip that would work too and you would be able to use the safc since the chip already compensates for that. I hope this helps for you once you start making power it all boils down to the driver.

 

[GreddyGst]

I went through this problem before, bought a turbo people on forums suggested which I see a lot (everyone says buy 16g 16g 16g). 16g turbos are great but is not for everyone. In my case I got stuck with a turbo which was better than T25 but I was still unhappy till I talked to a DSM shop which asked me how much power I want and he said 30R thats all I will need. Which was true and i'm more than happy. 30R made incredible power and i'm not fully tuned and I still yet to use the turbos full potential by boosting more.

If you are looking for 350whp - 400whp a 16g turbo won't give you those numbers unless you dyno at a dynopack that gives you extra 50-100whp because they are inaccurate..What I would do is buy a good turbo once, be happy for the right choice and you won't feel the need to upgrade again. 30R will easily make 400whp without breaking a sweat specially if you are FWD.

 

[talontsi97]

thanks for the replys.

I should be running bfg grad radials on the front and at least the kdw's or something along those lines.

If i get the eprom and chip and get it set to run 660's. Will the car run liek there stock injectors and then i tune from there with the safc2 or will the safc have problems with that big of a injector while tuning?
Should i get a 190 pump or 255? and if i get the 255 im guessign i should also get a fpr setup?
Whats everyones opinion on the reliabilty of PTE turbo's? I hear so many good things about MHI and would liek to get a 20g but im really likign what i see from pte.

 

[T9S1i]

honestly man, if you dont have all your fuel and supporting mods, you shouldnt have a turbo in mind yet. Unless you have gobs of money to spend on your setup all at once, i would get all my supporting mods done up until you figure out what turbo you want. I dont want you to forget about the turbo, you should always have one in mind, or at least a size turbo in mind to aim your supporting mods at that turbo, but in the mean time have fun with the one you have now until you ahve everything to support the turbo, then buy it. If you get the turbo now, and have stock injectors, you will just have a big turbo that is running under its efficiency range b/c you cant up the boost yet (safely).

I dont want to preach to ya, but its been said a thousand times, get your supporting mods done first. The turbo should be your last upgrade.

 

[talontsi97]

im buying everything at once. doesnt mean im installing it all at once but i will be buyign it all in same time frame.
my t25 is on its way out so theres only so much fun to have with it.

 

[RavenX]

If i get the eprom and chip and get it set to run 660's. Will the car run liek there stock injectors and then i tune from there with the safc2 or will the safc have problems with that big of a injector while tuning?
Should i get a 190 pump or 255? and if i get the 255 im guessign i should also get a fpr setup?
Whats everyones opinion on the reliabilty of PTE turbo's? I hear so many good things about MHI and would liek to get a 20g but im really likign what i see from pte.

If you get the eeprom with the chip then you don't have to make the -32 or so correction on the safc you can just leave it at 0%. This will help you tune better. I would still recommend the maftpro though because of the wideband tracking airfuel and many other features. Having the chip compensate for the bigger injectors it will make the car run like you had stock injectors. As for the fuel system you definately need a afpr. Look into a aeromotive or a 2g bolt on style afpr. Depending on the power you want will decide on which pump for you to get. Anything less than 450whp go with the 190pump. If your going to be upgrading to any bigger turbo down the road then just get the 255hp and get it over with as that will provide enough fuel into the 500 territory.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

If you have an AFPR, you mind as well order the 255 HP from the get go and rewire it. The only reason why you would want to go with a 190 versus a 255 (since they're the same price anyway) is so that you can avoid FPR overrun with the 255. Since FPR overrun is out of the equation, my recommendation would be to go with the 255.

 

[talontsi97]

Im thinking of buying this: http://www.importevolution.com/prod...=1620&osCsid=4fa391151e77d9deb4ff41dc70b14f59
and a walbro 255 pump.
Then get some 660-680 injectors. Will they be enough for just say 400 whp?
How is the quality of pte injectors? Is there another brand that is recommended?

 

[LA97GST]

pte injectors are good but I would recomend FIC injectors. They are quality. I would go with a 57 trim for your fwd because of the mix between top-end and spool. I have had experience with that style turbo and they are a blast. You cant go wrong with any of the turbos listed so far!

 

[talontsi97]

I like the 57trim and i think i would go with it but i saw the problems with surging. So i figured just go with the 50trim. Im still deciding so i have to see no set desicion yet.

 

[mitsuclipsegsx]

I have the 5031bb and its spools real good,like an evo, so you may not want that, or maybe get the non BB

 

[talontsi97]

Can everyone here vouch for PTE's quality. Im interested in there turbos and just wanna make sure there not junk because i was told there not to great dealing with there warrenty's. I mean im sure there not but i figure i ask. I was just told they dont like dealing with warrenty work and i dont wanna buy it, then it fall apart or have some type of problem not my fault and then them not wanna deal with me after i just dropped over a grand.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

2000 miles on my PTE BB5031 and not a hint of shaft play or smoke. Remember, it's PTE quality and also Garrett quality. The other competitors (some of them, at least) use turbonetics (like my old G50 ).

 

[Boosted98gsx]

There honestly is no reason to spend extra money on a BB 50 trim. The spool time decrease is minimal at best, and thats really the only reason to go BB.